Seems like we need a new Intelligent Design thread.

[SeattleGriz]

How about we get back to the fact we have evolutionists who believe evolution needs to add more tools to the box? Just like the intelligent design field has been saying for years. While they may not be correct, they are at least practicing science the way it should be - stop pounding the square peg in the circular hole.

How about we talk about empirical evidence, like the complex machinery that nobody can explain because it doesn't follow the rules of mutation and natural selection. How about our DNA, which was labeled as being full of junk DNA and is being found to be very much NOT junk at all? How about the lack of intermediate species?

[Chizzang]

You kinda come across as a dingbat...
Do you ever go back and read what you write?

Ah, the soft ad hominem attack.

Here is the Charles Darwin quote:

“It is impossible to answer your question briefly; and I am not sure that I could do so, even if I wrote at some length. But I may say that the impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for the existence of God; but whether this is an argument of real value, I have never been able to decide.”

Sounds pretty much what ASUG8 said.

Now where in Bible does it say God didn't put life in motion?

Master trolling by the way. The only one on this thread who knows all about God is you. Classic! You can't lose!

My point is simple...
You said I distort the bible - then proceed to not show where I do that
So you make a post about me specifically then slide on to something else

Also know
That the God that Darwin speaks of (and ASUG8)
is about 180 degrees away from your Christian God of the Bible
Which one do you choose to believe in exactly..?

Or explain how the Biblical God could also be the set it and forget it God
Because they behave very differently and I'm curious about how that works

Thank you
I look forward to any explanation at all
on either of the questions presented to you

[SeattleGriz]

Ah, the soft ad hominem attack.

Here is the Charles Darwin quote:


Sounds pretty much what ASUG8 said.

Now where in Bible does it say God didn't put life in motion?

Master trolling by the way. The only one on this thread who knows all about God is you. Classic! You can't lose!

My point is simple...
You said I distort the bible - then proceed to not show where I do that
So you make a post about me specifically then slide on to something else

Also know
That the God that Darwin speaks of (and ASUG8)
is about 180 degrees away from your Christian God of the Bible
Which one do you choose to believe in exactly..?

Or explain how the Biblical God could also be the set it and forget it God
Because they behave very differently and I'm curious about how that works

Thank you
I look forward to any explanation at all
on either of the questions presented to you

How many times do I have to tell you? You conflate the covenants. If you know the Bible as you profess, there shouldn't be a need for further explanation. To put it generally, you talk about the old meany God and apply it to everything, as though Jesus never fulfilled all the covenant requirements that allowed everyone to talk to God directly and be forgiven of sin. Pretty basic but you seem to keep stepping on that rake over and over.

Your second question is so vague, one can't possibly know where to start. How are you seeing the Biblical God vs the set it and forget it God.

You also never answered my question about what denomination and if you actually gave yourself to Christ? Or is "identify" with being a Christian your way of saying it was lip service?

You are a master of dodging the direct questions.

[Chizzang]

My point is simple...
You said I distort the bible - then proceed to not show where I do that
So you make a post about me specifically then slide on to something else

Also know
That the God that Darwin speaks of (and ASUG8)
is about 180 degrees away from your Christian God of the Bible
Which one do you choose to believe in exactly..?

Or explain how the Biblical God could also be the set it and forget it God
Because they behave very differently and I'm curious about how that works

Thank you
I look forward to any explanation at all
on either of the questions presented to you

How many times do I have to tell you? You conflate the covenants. If you know the Bible as you profess, there shouldn't be a need for further explanation.

Your second question is so vague, one can't possibly know where to start. How are you seeing the Biblical God vs the set it and forget it God.

You also never answered my question about what denomination and if you actually gave yourself to Christ? Or is "identify" with being a Christian your way of saying it was lip service?

You don't get off that easy Seattlegriz
When you make a claim that I conflate you need to back it up with at least one example (just one)
otherwise it just more drivel

Next:
You seem really eager to inherit the Set-it-and-forget-it God to replace your Biblical god
The Biblical god is an interactive God - a God of direct action
a god of judgement and condemnation as well as rewards and gifts
a God that has his hand in the lives of every man woman and child
tilting the scales of daily lives and events as they unfold

And up there you say I claim to know God
But I have always argued that NOBODY knows more about God than anybody else
I just listen to what people like you tell me about God and what God does and doesn't do
and the End Times and actively healing the sick and bestowing miracles on the chosen ones

What can anybody really know about God..?
despite the outlandish claims - what really

[SeattleGriz]

How many times do I have to tell you? You conflate the covenants. If you know the Bible as you profess, there shouldn't be a need for further explanation.

Your second question is so vague, one can't possibly know where to start. How are you seeing the Biblical God vs the set it and forget it God.

You also never answered my question about what denomination and if you actually gave yourself to Christ? Or is "identify" with being a Christian your way of saying it was lip service?

You don't get off that easy Seattlegriz
When you make a claim that I conflate you need to back it up with at least one example (just one)
otherwise it just more drivel

Next:
You seem really eager to inherit the Set-it-and-forget-it God to replace your Biblical god
The Biblical god is an interactive God - a God of direct action
a god of judgement and condemnation as well as rewards and gifts
a God that has his hand in the lives of every man woman and child
tilting the scales of daily lives and events as they unfold

And up there you say I claim to know God
But I have always argued that NOBODY knows more about God than anybody else
I just listen to what people like you tell me about God and what God does and doesn't do
and the End Times and actively healing the sick and bestowing miracles on the chosen ones

What can anybody really know about God..?
despite the outlandish claims - what really

I did give more specifics, but you answered too quickly. See post above for proof, but for sake of this thread, here it is:

To put it generally, you talk about the old meany God and apply it to everything, as though Jesus never fulfilled all the covenant requirements that allowed everyone to talk to God directly and be forgiven of sin. Pretty basic but you seem to keep stepping on that rake over and over.

This also applies to the your statement about the Biblical God. He didn't seem to get too involved after Jesus fulfilled all the requirements and thus why many talk about how God isn't spoken much about in the New Testament after the Old being full of his minglings.

You said that you read the Bible, but so did I and what I overwhemingly got, was a God that was trying over and over to have a relationship with man, but we kept messing it up, so He had to bring in Jesus to keep from constantly having to straighten us out. We shit on God over and over in the Old Testament and he stepped in. Jesus stopped that requirement.

You don't listen either. You constantly tell others what they have said when they didn't actually say it.

I get, and agree that nobody can truly know God by Himself, but you keep missing the point that is also what Jesus allowed. For Christians to come directly to God and speak to Him. Why do you think we don't have to tie ropes around the priest's waists when they enter the Holy of Holies...because Jesus allows us to stand in front of God without being killed and thus having our dead body dragged out.

To summarize. You keep talking about God as if Jesus didn't account for anything. Jesus changed everything.

So, what denomination and did you give yourself to Christ? For the third time?

[Chizzang]

You don't get off that easy Seattlegriz
When you make a claim that I conflate you need to back it up with at least one example (just one)
otherwise it just more drivel

Next:
You seem really eager to inherit the Set-it-and-forget-it God to replace your Biblical god
The Biblical god is an interactive God - a God of direct action
a god of judgement and condemnation as well as rewards and gifts
a God that has his hand in the lives of every man woman and child
tilting the scales of daily lives and events as they unfold

And up there you say I claim to know God
But I have always argued that NOBODY knows more about God than anybody else
I just listen to what people like you tell me about God and what God does and doesn't do
and the End Times and actively healing the sick and bestowing miracles on the chosen ones

What can anybody really know about God..?
despite the outlandish claims - what really

I did give more specifics, but you answered too quickly. See post above for proof, but for sake of this thread, here it is:

To put it generally, you talk about the old meany God and apply it to everything, as though Jesus never fulfilled all the covenant requirements that allowed everyone to talk to God directly and be forgiven of sin. Pretty basic but you seem to keep stepping on that rake over and over.

This also applies to the your statement about the Biblical God. He didn't seem to get too involved after Jesus fulfilled all the requirements and thus why many talk about how God isn't spoken much about in the New Testament after the Old being full of his minglings.

You said that you read the Bible, but so did I and what I overwhemingly got, was a God that was trying over and over to have a relationship with man, but we kept messing it up, so He had to bring in Jesus to keep from constantly having to straighten us out. We shit on God over and over in the Old Testament and he stepped in. Jesus stopped that requirement.

You don't listen either. You constantly tell others what they have said when they didn't actually say it.

I get, and agree that nobody can truly know God by Himself, but you keep missing the point that is also what Jesus allowed. For Christians to come directly to God and speak to Him. Why do you think we don't have to tie ropes around the priest's waists when they enter the Holy of Holies...because Jesus allows us to stand in front of God without being killed and thus having our dead body dragged out.

To summarize. You keep talking about God as if Jesus didn't account for anything. Jesus changed everything.

So, what denomination and did you give yourself to Christ? For the third time?

You're making this too easy...
I was raised Episcopal and even became an acolyte

Okay so... Jesus is on record for raising the dead probably 4 times

But first he turns water into wine

Then after multiple and various but significant magical healings
he catches a magical shoal of fish and feeds thousands

Then very importantly he raises a widows son from the dead
(Yes, Jesus God raises the dead)

Then shortly thereafter he talks to God and actually turns off a storm at sea

Then he raises Jairu's daughter back from the dead (major miracle right there)

Then he returns the gift of sight back to two men who were born blind

On two different occasion Jesus feeds 5,000 women and children from nothing

Then he walks on water (This is mentioned in all of the gospels a few times)

The he heals "thousands" in Gennesaret as he passes through the hoards

I'm pretty sure he brings Lazarus back from the dead (That's pretty amazing)

and there are probably 30 or 40 miraculous God and Jesus events the list goes on and on
So yeah... This is NOT set it and forget it God
This is a highly interactive God

[Jjoey52]

For those who are skeptical on Gog Magog, you don't find it odd that that the countries named over 3000 years ago are aligned today, with exception of Turkey? Watch Turkey, that is the next domino to fall into place.


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[SeattleGriz]

I did give more specifics, but you answered too quickly. See post above for proof, but for sake of this thread, here it is:

To put it generally, you talk about the old meany God and apply it to everything, as though Jesus never fulfilled all the covenant requirements that allowed everyone to talk to God directly and be forgiven of sin. Pretty basic but you seem to keep stepping on that rake over and over.

This also applies to the your statement about the Biblical God. He didn't seem to get too involved after Jesus fulfilled all the requirements and thus why many talk about how God isn't spoken much about in the New Testament after the Old being full of his minglings.

You said that you read the Bible, but so did I and what I overwhemingly got, was a God that was trying over and over to have a relationship with man, but we kept messing it up, so He had to bring in Jesus to keep from constantly having to straighten us out. We shit on God over and over in the Old Testament and he stepped in. Jesus stopped that requirement.

You don't listen either. You constantly tell others what they have said when they didn't actually say it.

I get, and agree that nobody can truly know God by Himself, but you keep missing the point that is also what Jesus allowed. For Christians to come directly to God and speak to Him. Why do you think we don't have to tie ropes around the priest's waists when they enter the Holy of Holies...because Jesus allows us to stand in front of God without being killed and thus having our dead body dragged out.

To summarize. You keep talking about God as if Jesus didn't account for anything. Jesus changed everything.

So, what denomination and did you give yourself to Christ? For the third time?

You're making this too easy...
I was raised Episcopal and even became an acolyte

Okay so... Jesus is on record for raising the dead probably 4 times

But first he turns water into wine

Then after multiple and various but significant magical healings
he catches a magical shoal of fish and feeds thousands

Then very importantly he raises a widows son from the dead
(Yes, Jesus God raises the dead)

Then shortly thereafter he talks to God and actually turns off a storm at sea

Then he raises Jairu's daughter back from the dead (major miracle right there)

Then he returns the gift of sight back to two men who were born blind

On two different occasion Jesus feeds 5,000 women and children from nothing

Then he walks on water (This is mentioned in all of the gospels a few times)

The he heals "thousands" in Gennesaret as he passes through the hoards

I'm pretty sure he brings Lazarus back from the dead (That's pretty amazing)

and there are probably 30 or 40 miraculous God and Jesus events the list goes on and on
So yeah... This is NOT set it and forget it God
This is a highly interactive God

First off, congratulations on accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior, even if you have chosen a different path, (no slam intended) you still committed and that is commendable.

Secondly, I'm not seeing how you are squaring God setting evolution in motion with that of the Biblical interactions between God and man.

[SeattleGriz]

For those who are skeptical on Gog Magog, you don't find it odd that that the countries named over 3000 years ago are aligned today, with exception of Turkey? Watch Turkey, that is the next domino to fall into place.


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I have been watching this as well.

[SeattleGriz]

The Political board is in shambles.

I think we need a new SeattleGriz thread.

You're welcome!

Most replied and most visited post in weeks. Got this place back on track.

[CID1990]

Hey wait a second SG

It sounds like YOU have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and all that - right?


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[SeattleGriz]

Hey wait a second SG

It sounds like YOU have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and all that - right?


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Yes, but I am a very poor example. Much like when Paul said he was the worst of Christians!

Why do I get the feeling I am being set up for something here!

[CID1990]

Hey wait a second SG

It sounds like YOU have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and all that - right?


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Yes, but I am a very poor example. Much like when Paul said he was the worst of Christians!

So you believe that Jesus is the son of the God who created everything

[SeattleGriz]

Yes, but I am a very poor example. Much like when Paul said he was the worst of Christians!

So you believe that Jesus is the son of the God who created everything

I believe that Jesus is part of the Triune God comprised of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

But for sake of discussion, yes, His son.

[CID1990]

So you believe that Jesus is the son of the God who created everything

I believe that Jesus is part of the Triune God comprised of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

But for sake of discussion, yes, His son.

The same God who created everything?

[SeattleGriz]

I believe that Jesus is part of the Triune God comprised of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

But for sake of discussion, yes, His son.

The same God who created everything?

Yes, in the beginning (I can't speak past that point), and once again I will say I feel like this is leading somewhere albeit one step at a time.

[SeattleGriz]

WINNER!!!

[SeattleGriz]

Pussies.

Quitters.

Bereft of facts.

Victory lap!

[CID1990]

Bereft of facts.

Which facts?

Like how the "god" who created everything, including trilobites and dinosaurs and Hanna Montana is also the Christian god, described in the Bible?

Facts like that one?

[SeattleGriz]

Bereft of facts.

Which facts?

Like how the "god" who created everything, including trilobites and dinosaurs and Hanna Montana is also the Christian god, described in the Bible?

Facts like that one?

Too late, quitter. You've been owned.

Bereft of facts.

Go suck up to Cleets in a different thread.

[kalm]

I'm not smart enough to understand this but...

[kalm]

Which facts?

Like how the "god" who created everything, including trilobites and dinosaurs and Hanna Montana is also the Christian god, described in the Bible?

Facts like that one?

Too late, quitter. You've been owned.

Bereft of facts.

Go suck up to Cleets in a different thread.

Just when this was getting good...a D1B declaration of victory post...

[SeattleGriz]

Too late, quitter. You've been owned.

Bereft of facts.

Go suck up to Cleets in a different thread.

Just when this was getting good...a D1B declaration of victory post...

I can still come back out of retirement 20 or 30 times. Isn't that the norm?

You're stealing my Trump upper hand thunder.

Art of the Deal. Sheesh.

[CID1990]

I'm still trying to figure out how facts have anything to do with this thread

[SeattleGriz]

I'm still trying to figure out how facts have anything to do with this thread

Ooooh Goood One! You got me.

Pffft. Please.

You can scoot up to the adult table anytime you like, junior.