CA Wildfires: Trump was right.

[houndawg]

What a loser. There are resevoirs all over the state - my dad surveyed many of them. Hindsight is 20/20, nobody saw the game-changing Secret Jewish Space Lasers coming.


Mazel Tough!

[houndawg]

Joe no one gives a fuck..

triggered like a chain gun....you must be really something when you lose...

[houndawg]

Nobody has seen the Mayor of Los Angeles who is apparently on vacation in Africa

Fire hydrants have no water

Total disaster and just another example of Dem mismanagement… but keep voting for hairspray Californians

Palisades Fire live updates: 70K LA residents under evacuation order, city’s water tanks dry

By Patrick Reilly, Nicholas McEntyre, Richard Pollina, Elizabeth Karpen and Kaydi Pelletier

Yep, they shouldn't get one fucking dime of taxpayer money to fix this either. Ukraine needs more help than America does.

they should use their money thats carrying the red welfare states to improve their fire-fighting capabilities

Long past time for the red state leeches to start pulling their weight

[houndawg]

Trump called CA out 3 months ago, and 4 months ago, and 4 years ago, and 6 years ago. Again and again over their forestry and water management.

a forestry expert from the Philly burbs...

[houndawg]

The Klamath River dam project is awesome! First fish up those tribs to spawn in forever. I’m happy for the Indians too.

Yeah, who cares if southern CA doesn’t get enough water. To hell with LA let it burn. Fish are more important than people, the majority of whom (about 3/4 LA Co) are people of color.

Did I do that one right?

If you could snivel a some more.....thats the best part of your posts..

[houndawg]

The Klamath starts in Oregon and is 700+ miles from LA. You have S. Oregon and NoCal who might want that first.

Water supply only one issue with firefighting. Reservoir management, pumping systems, storm water runoff etc etc etc also factor in.

Few places if any built to handle the type of instant demand and volume needed to fight fires of this magnitude. They haven’t kept up with climate change impacts.

Salmon habitat is crucial to more than just fish. EG…a bear eats a spawning salmon, poops up on the hill and the nutrients in that fish fertilize specific plant and tree species that flourish off nutrients carried from the Pacific 100’s-1000’s of miles to their natal streams. The birds, ungulates, and all sorts of critters and yes, humans benefit from this awesome system. That’s just one quick example.

We crap in our own bed (the planet) and you want to blame the fish?

Not to mention 20 million people weren’t meant to survive in a desert.

Humans are the problem.

Good post on this. It is a concern, you have so many people living in an area that takes so much outside resources to keep it going. And where are the creative solutions? The Palisades just burned, there were complaints about the lack of water, and that location sits right next to the Pacific ocean. Obviously, salt water has it's own issues in terms of piping, but there clearly has to be a solution of some kind that uses the big body of water (i.e. the Pacific Ocean) to handle fires that are literally right on the beach or very nearby. Different issue than what they're facing with the Eaton fires around Pasedena, but not for beachfront locations.

Its been an issue for over 60 years. Old-timers at the barber shop were predicting this shit in 1965 while I was getting a haircut for $0.35.

Too many peckerwoods moved into an area they didn't understand. Wild fire is part of the environment in CA - there are trees that won't reseed unless they reach a temp of 350F - the hilly terrain is filled with tinder brush and the arroyos act like a perfect bellows. Add the Santa Ana winds and the fires are uncontrolable. Back before the infestation from back east got out of control many of the fires could be left to run their course because there was nobody living there, on account of the danger from wildfires. If CA withheld their federal tax payments for a few years and put all the money into fire-fighting capacity they still wouldn't be anywhere near being in control of the situation.

[houndawg]

Yes you were, you know it you were celebrating and it was disgusting so you got called out.

Nobody was celebrating, Bobbie, its just the cost of doing bidniz....you people seemed to understand that at Parkland and Uvalde but let one corporate scumbag get what he had coming and suddenly the sky is falling....

[houndawg]

I get that that's a fun meme to go with whenever there is an environmental disaster, but it's way too simplistic and dated for what's going on now. This is happening in CA, in the hotbed (pardon the unintended pun) of folks and politicians that already believe climate change is real. It's happening where supposedly these same folks and politicians would be passing legislation and taking actions at all levels of government to deal with climate change. What's happened has been a colossal disaster of government mismanagement and priorities. CA, and LA specifically, has always been a location that is ripe for wild fires, and the advance of climate change just makes it even more so. In such a location, then, there should have been far more priority to advance wild fire prevention - increasing the water supply, coming up with creative ways to use temporary water sources like that big old ocean sitting right next to the beachfront homes that burned, clearing our forests of dead material that can accelerate a fire, improving the electrical distribution system so that we don't spark a fire in the first place, etc. Just because Trump says some of these things doesn't mean they aren't correct. This didn't need to happen, and thousands of people are sadly and unnecessarily suffering as a result.

This is all great on paper but if you've ever lived in CA you know its a pipe dream given CA's geography. Water supply isn't the issue, its about water pressure and being able to pump water uphill. The CA coast is steep and rugged and building more 1,000,000 gallon tanks on the hilltops to maintain water pressure is simply not affordable, especially if you're going to fill them with salt water. The problem is too many people in marginal areas. I was born in LA County in '54 and at that time the County held about 5,000,000 people who represented about 40% of the State's population. Today the County holds 10,000,000 people and they represent about 25% of the State's population. That amounts to millions of residents far out into the countryside in a State that is 1,000 miles long.

[houndawg]

Pacific Palisades (pop 23k):
Redfin median home value $3.3 million.
Zillow median home value $3.5 million.
Realtor.con median list price $4.7 million.
Holy thousands of mansions (or was).

They're all insured.

Btw, $3,000,000 doesn't but a mansion there. Old friends sold their place in Santa Cruz for 1.5 mil ten years ago - just under 900 sq ft

[Caribbean Hen]

Joe no one gives a fuck..

triggered like a chain gun....you must be really something when you lose...

Wow he admitted it… he never would acknowledge Hunters Strip Club granddaughter…. And admitting it at the press conference only shows this Rotten scoundrel is thinking about himself 24 seven … disgusting piece of shit.

[Caribbean Hen]

I get that that's a fun meme to go with whenever there is an environmental disaster, but it's way too simplistic and dated for what's going on now. This is happening in CA, in the hotbed (pardon the unintended pun) of folks and politicians that already believe climate change is real. It's happening where supposedly these same folks and politicians would be passing legislation and taking actions at all levels of government to deal with climate change. What's happened has been a colossal disaster of government mismanagement and priorities. CA, and LA specifically, has always been a location that is ripe for wild fires, and the advance of climate change just makes it even more so. In such a location, then, there should have been far more priority to advance wild fire prevention - increasing the water supply, coming up with creative ways to use temporary water sources like that big old ocean sitting right next to the beachfront homes that burned, clearing our forests of dead material that can accelerate a fire, improving the electrical distribution system so that we don't spark a fire in the first place, etc. Just because Trump says some of these things doesn't mean they aren't correct. This didn't need to happen, and thousands of people are sadly and unnecessarily suffering as a result.

This is all great on paper but if you've ever lived in CA you know its a pipe dream given CA's geography. Water supply isn't the issue, its about water pressure and being able to pump water uphill. The CA coast is steep and rugged and building more 1,000,000 gallon tanks on the hilltops to maintain water pressure is simply not affordable, especially if you're going to fill them with salt water. The problem is too many people in marginal areas. I was born in LA County in '54 and at that time the County held about 5,000,000 people who represented about 40% of the State's population. Today the County holds 10,000,000 people and they represent about 25% of the State's population. That amounts to millions of residents far out into the countryside in a State that is 1,000 miles long.

But paying for illegal migrants health care is just fine

[kalm]

JFC…the fish started the fires! It’s worse than I thought!

Dumber…by…the…minute.

....the fish are eating the dogs!

Update. Everything politicization Trump and friends have made has turned out to be bullshit. The lack of water was mostly pressure issues as thousands of home’s pipes burst while they were burning down.

And of course the lack of water from NorCal was always bs. As was the forest management and DEI blames.

Doesn’t stop MAGA from believing 100% and parroting all the misinformation.

[houndawg]

This is all great on paper but if you've ever lived in CA you know its a pipe dream given CA's geography. Water supply isn't the issue, its about water pressure and being able to pump water uphill. The CA coast is steep and rugged and building more 1,000,000 gallon tanks on the hilltops to maintain water pressure is simply not affordable, especially if you're going to fill them with salt water. The problem is too many people in marginal areas. I was born in LA County in '54 and at that time the County held about 5,000,000 people who represented about 40% of the State's population. Today the County holds 10,000,000 people and they represent about 25% of the State's population. That amounts to millions of residents far out into the countryside in a State that is 1,000 miles long.

But paying for illegal migrants health care is just fine

drop in the bucket comparatively even if it were true.

(link?)

[Caribbean Hen]

But paying for illegal migrants health care is just fine

drop in the bucket comparatively even if it were true.

(link?)

check out Donald on Joe Rogan, pay attention to the part about how Gov Newscum has totally dropped the ball on being prepared for fires, in a state that is ticking fireball.... Nobody is asking the useless Gov to stop the Santa Ana winds but at least be prepared

maybe if you guys would spend less time hating Trump and just listen to what he says, you would of still had a LA

[kalm]

drop in the bucket comparatively even if it were true.

(link?)

check out Donald on Joe Rogan, pay attention to the part about how Gov Newscum has totally dropped the ball on being prepared for fires, in a state that is ticking fireball.... Nobody is asking the useless Gov to stop the Santa Ana winds but at least be prepared

maybe if you guys would spend less time hating Trump and just listen to what he says, you would of still had a LA

Like Abbott was prepared for the Arctic blast a few years ago? Like DeSantis is prepared for the strongest hurricanes?

[kalm]

Here’s a solid breakdown of what’s makes this area tough to manage from a wildfire/forestry management standpoint.

Add 100 mph wind gusts and 20 million people nearby and it’s almost impossible to avoid.

[BDKJMU]

Trump called CA out 3 months ago, and 4 months ago, and 4 years ago, and 6 years ago. Again and again over their forestry and water management.

a forestry expert from the Philly burbs...

Except for the fact that forest people have said he’s right…Trump the omniscient..

[BDKJMU]

Good post on this. It is a concern, you have so many people living in an area that takes so much outside resources to keep it going. And where are the creative solutions? The Palisades just burned, there were complaints about the lack of water, and that location sits right next to the Pacific ocean. Obviously, salt water has it's own issues in terms of piping, but there clearly has to be a solution of some kind that uses the big body of water (i.e. the Pacific Ocean) to handle fires that are literally right on the beach or very nearby. Different issue than what they're facing with the Eaton fires around Pasedena, but not for beachfront locations.

Its been an issue for over 60 years. Old-timers at the barber shop were predicting this shit in 1965 while I was getting a haircut for $0.35.

Too many peckerwoods moved into an area they didn't understand. Wild fire is part of the environment in CA - there are trees that won't reseed unless they reach a temp of 350F - the hilly terrain is filled with tinder brush and the arroyos act like a perfect bellows. Add the Santa Ana winds and the fires are uncontrolable. Back before the infestation from back east got out of control many of the fires could be left to run their course because there was nobody living there, on account of the danger from wildfires. If CA withheld their federal tax payments for a few years and put all the money into fire-fighting capacity they still wouldn't be anywhere near being in control of the situation.

And the majority of those peckerwoods are donks/vote donk..

[BDKJMU]

Pacific Palisades (pop 23k):
Redfin median home value $3.3 million.
Zillow median home value $3.5 million.
Realtor.con median list price $4.7 million.
Holy thousands of mansions (or was).

They're all insured.

Btw, $3,000,000 doesn't but a mansion there. Old friends sold their place in Santa Cruz for 1.5 mil ten years ago - just under 900 sq ft

About 1,600 policies in Pacific Palisades were dropped by State Farm in July, California Department of Insurance spokesman Michael Soller said in an Thursday email to CBS MoneyWatch. An analysis of insurance data by CBS San Francisco last year found that State Farm also dropped more than 2,000 policies in two other Los Angeles ZIP codes, which include the Brentwood, Calabasas, Hidden Hills and Monte Nido neighborhoods.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/fires- ... ir-losses/

But before you go off on the ‘greedy’ insurance companies, guess which state is the only one on the country that forbids insurance companies from factoring the cost of reinsurance when calculating premium rates?
California! California- a case study in mismanagement.

Now they are belatedly attempting to fix their liberal donk stupidity.

The rule will require home insurers to offer coverage in high-risk areas, something the state has never done, Lara's office said in a statement. Insurers will have to start increasing their coverage by 5% every two years until they hit the equivalent of 85% of their market share. That means if an insurer writes 20 out of every 100 state policies, they'd need to write 17 in a high-risk area, Lara's office said.

In exchange for increasing coverage, the state will let insurance companies pass on the costs of reinsurance to California consumers. Insurance companies typically buy reinsurance to avoid huge payouts in case of natural disasters or catastrophic loss. California is the only state that doesn't already allow the cost of reinsurance to be borne by policyholders, according to Lara's office.

Opponents of the rule say that could hike premiums by 40% and doesn't require new policies to be written at a fast enough pace. The state did not provide a cost analysis for potential impact on consumers...

[BDKJMU]

....the fish are eating the dogs!

Update. Everything politicization Trump and friends have made has turned out to be bullshit. The lack of water was mostly pressure issues as thousands of home’s pipes burst while they were burning down.

And of course the lack of water from NorCal was always bs. As was the forest management and DEI blames.

Doesn’t stop MAGA from believing 100% and parroting all the misinformation.

Update: Kalm wrong on all counts.

‘Trump and friends’
Correct on the water:
https://nypost.com/2025/01/10/us-news/r ... e-erupted/
Correct on the forest mismanagement.
Correct on the fire dept budget being cut for illegals.
Correct on the city leadership failing which even the DEI chief admits.

[BDKJMU]

check out Donald on Joe Rogan, pay attention to the part about how Gov Newscum has totally dropped the ball on being prepared for fires, in a state that is ticking fireball.... Nobody is asking the useless Gov to stop the Santa Ana winds but at least be prepared

maybe if you guys would spend less time hating Trump and just listen to what he says, you would of still had a LA

Like Abbott was prepared for the Arctic blast a few years ago? Like DeSantis is prepared for the strongest hurricanes?

Lol Desantis comes out like roses dealing with Hurricanes..

[houndawg]

drop in the bucket comparatively even if it were true.

(link?)

check out Donald on Joe Rogan, pay attention to the part about how Gov Newscum has totally dropped the ball on being prepared for fires, in a state that is ticking fireball.... Nobody is asking the useless Gov to stop the Santa Ana winds but at least be prepared

maybe if you guys would spend less time hating Trump and just listen to what he says, you would of still had a LA

...if you've ever been there when the Santa Ana's were blowing you'd know what bilge you're spewing. And nobody believes a word that convicted felon says. He lies for a living

[kalm]

Update. Everything politicization Trump and friends have made has turned out to be bullshit. The lack of water was mostly pressure issues as thousands of home’s pipes burst while they were burning down.

And of course the lack of water from NorCal was always bs. As was the forest management and DEI blames.

Doesn’t stop MAGA from believing 100% and parroting all the misinformation.

Update: Kalm wrong on all counts.

‘Trump and friends’
Correct on the water:
https://nypost.com/2025/01/10/us-news/r ... e-erupted/
Correct on the forest mismanagement.
Correct on the fire dept budget being cut for illegals.
Correct on the city leadership failing which even the DEI chief admits.

Start with forest management. What steps should they have taken to. The wildfire threat…in LA, and the Santa Monica mountains, with all those forests?

(Hint since you didn’t read the thread, the answer is in there.)

Defending dear leader and owning the libs - a higher priority than facts and truth.

[houndawg]

Update. Everything politicization Trump and friends have made has turned out to be bullshit. The lack of water was mostly pressure issues as thousands of home’s pipes burst while they were burning down.

And of course the lack of water from NorCal was always bs. As was the forest management and DEI blames.

Doesn’t stop MAGA from believing 100% and parroting all the misinformation.

Update: Kalm wrong on all counts.

‘Trump and friends’
Correct on the water:
https://nypost.com/2025/01/10/us-news/r ... e-erupted/
Correct on the forest mismanagement.
Correct on the fire dept budget being cut for illegals.
Correct on the city leadership failing which even the DEI chief admits.

"through" her under the bus.... seriously..?

Solid source right there, VD.

[BDKJMU]

Update: Kalm wrong on all counts.

‘Trump and friends’
Correct on the water:
https://nypost.com/2025/01/10/us-news/r ... e-erupted/
Correct on the forest mismanagement.
Correct on the fire dept budget being cut for illegals.
Correct on the city leadership failing which even the DEI chief admits.

Start with forest management. What steps should they have taken to. The wildfire threat…in LA, and the Santa Monica mountains, with all those forests?

(Hint since you didn’t read the thread, the answer is in there.)

Defending dear leader and owning the libs - a higher priority than facts and truth.

https://www.newsweek.com/controlled-bur ... es-2012492