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AshevilleApp wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:23 pm I opted for the burbs and pee in the butt. The blighted urban neighborhoods seems like an obvious answer, but I see potential there. Maybe.

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:06 pm As a Civil Engineer, I chose to define "wasteland" as a place that has a difficult present or future value.

Anything "urban", regardless of condition, has potential because of location. It is within major utility service zones. I've seen the transformation work in several cities.

Tract housing has it's purpose. A little more elbow room for inhabitants compared to high-rise buildings in an urban setting.

Wide open hills, fields or desert are generally outside of utility service zones. Utilities can be extended but at tremendous cost. These areas are better left untouched to serve whatever environmental value they might have.


Wide open hills, fields or desert it is.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:12 pm

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:06 pm As a Civil Engineer, I chose to define "wasteland" as a place that has a difficult present or future value.

Anything "urban", regardless of condition, has potential because of location. It is within major utility service zones. I've seen the transformation work in several cities.

Tract housing has it's purpose. A little more elbow room for inhabitants compared to high-rise buildings in an urban setting.

Wide open hills, fields or desert are generally outside of utility service zones. Utilities can be extended but at tremendous cost. These areas are better left untouched to serve whatever environmental value they might have.


Wide open hills, fields or desert it is.

So you're not talking natural beauty then. You're talking ease of development.

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:06 pm As a Civil Engineer, I chose to define "wasteland" as a place that has a difficult present or future value.

Anything "urban", regardless of condition, has potential because of location. It is within major utility service zones. I've seen the transformation work in several cities.

Tract housing has it's purpose. A little more elbow room for inhabitants compared to high-rise buildings in an urban setting.

Wide open hills, fields or desert are generally outside of utility service zones. Utilities can be extended but at tremendous cost. These areas are better left untouched to serve whatever environmental value they might have.


Wide open hills, fields or desert it is.

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:25 pm

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:06 pm As a Civil Engineer, I chose to define "wasteland" as a place that has a difficult present or future value.

Anything "urban", regardless of condition, has potential because of location. It is within major utility service zones. I've seen the transformation work in several cities.

Tract housing has it's purpose. A little more elbow room for inhabitants compared to high-rise buildings in an urban setting.

Wide open hills, fields or desert are generally outside of utility service zones. Utilities can be extended but at tremendous cost. These areas are better left untouched to serve whatever environmental value they might have.


Wide open hills, fields or desert it is.

Aren't the wide open fields the place where the grain is grown that makes your pizza dough?

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:06 pm As a Civil Engineer, I chose to define "wasteland" as a place that has a difficult present or future value.

Anything "urban", regardless of condition, has potential because of location. It is within major utility service zones. I've seen the transformation work in several cities.

Tract housing has it's purpose. A little more elbow room for inhabitants compared to high-rise buildings in an urban setting.

Wide open hills, fields or desert are generally outside of utility service zones. Utilities can be extended but at tremendous cost. These areas are better left untouched to serve whatever environmental value they might have.


Wide open hills, fields or desert it is.

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:32 pm

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:25 pm
Aren't the wide open fields the place where the grain is grown that makes your pizza dough?

Sometimes. So wouldn't that make urban redevelopment more valuable?

Hey, don't blame me for making my own definition. Blame the pollster.
He should be tarred and feathered. Also, de-testicled.

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:23 pm

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:12 pm
So you're not talking natural beauty then. You're talking ease of development.

Yup. I'm talking about the near-term needs of humans.
Now, blighted urban neighborhoods, left as such, would be a waste. But that doesn't stay that way forever, especially in pro-redevelopment local governments.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:51 pm

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:23 pm

Yup. I'm talking about the near-term needs of humans.
Now, blighted urban neighborhoods, left as such, would be a waste. But that doesn't stay that way forever, especially in pro-redevelopment local governments.

But what if you hate people and don’t want any nearly neighbors? That would make the wide open spaces the least wasteland.

kalm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:00 pm
Value is subjective as you kind of implied.

It also changes. The shrub-steppe of central Washington had little monetary value before the Columbia Basin Reclamation Project.

Airway Heights, WA...a dumpy little air force town outside of Spokane 10 years ago had as much commercial property for sale as all of King County and is now exploding.

I don’t think wasteland actually exists.

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:22 pm

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:51 pm
But what if you hate people and don’t want any nearly neighbors? That would make the wide open spaces the least wasteland.

Would I be just visiting these open spaces? Because if I built a house and lived there, it's no longer open spaces.
(besides, I like city water and sewer)

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:39 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:00 pm
Value is subjective as you kind of implied.

It also changes. The shrub-steppe of central Washington had little monetary value before the Columbia Basin Reclamation Project.

Airway Heights, WA...a dumpy little air force town outside of Spokane 10 years ago had as much commercial property for sale as all of King County and is now exploding.

I don’t think wasteland actually exists.

My analytical mind (I'm anal that way. No homo.) had me look at the opposite of "waste". I came up with "value".

OK. All of the examples have some value. The "tract homes" option steered me in the value mode for human living places. So I looked at the ghetto as an opportunity for redevelopment in a utility service area. That's prime real estate. No infrastructure in the open hills, fields, and deserts. It could be developed but the cost is higher to extend the infrastructure, so less value.

But yeah, open spaces have environmental, recreational, and agricultural value. But it included deserts. That is spoiling the grouping like a pizza bubble.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:49 pm
Where does agave grow without deserts? Without agave there is no tequila, without tequila, there are no margaritas. Cinco de Mayo would be a disaster.

Each place has its pros and cons. Tract homes might provide living places but they also increased the demand for autos and oil which have had negative environmental and foreign dependence impacts.

89Hen wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:01 pm waste·land
/ˈwās(t)land/
noun
an unused area of land that has become barren or overgrown.

So there's that.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:51 pm

AshevilleApp wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:23 pm I opted for the burbs and pee in the butt. The blighted urban neighborhoods seems like an obvious answer, but I see potential there. Maybe.

But if they met their potential, they would become non blighted.

Most to least "wasteland":
-Blighted urban neighborhoods.
-Miles of tract housing and strip malls you find in suburbia.
-Non-blighted urban neighborhoods.
-Wide open hills, fields or desert.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:55 pm

89Hen wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:01 pm waste·land
/ˈwās(t)land/
noun
an unused area of land that has become barren or overgrown.

So there's that.

Overgrown with what? Tract homes? Abandoned buildings? Sh!t, an abundance of abandoned or decrepit buildings could be considered both overgrown and barren.

So there's that.

Your perspective is just that, your perspective. It isn't fact and it isn't necessarily right.

89Hen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:04 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:55 pm

Overgrown with what? Tract homes? Abandoned buildings? Sh!t, an abundance of abandoned or decrepit buildings could be considered both overgrown and barren.

So there's that.

Your perspective is just that, your perspective. It isn't fact and it isn't necessarily right.

I think it's funny that this has stuck in your craw so much.

BTW, why would the question be "what is more" but you can choose three?

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:42 am So what did I win?