What is more of a "Wasteland"?

[UNI88]

Select up to three ...

[SDHornet]

Excellent question.

[AshevilleApp]

I opted for the burbs and pee in the butt. The blighted urban neighborhoods seems like an obvious answer, but I see potential there. Maybe.

[BDKJMU]

I opted for the burbs and pee in the butt. The blighted urban neighborhoods seems like an obvious answer, but I see potential there. Maybe.

But if they met their potential, they would become non blighted.

Most to least "wasteland":
-Blighted urban neighborhoods.
-Miles of tract housing and strip malls you find in suburbia.
-Non-blighted urban neighborhoods.
-Wide open hills, fields or desert.

[CAA Flagship]

As a Civil Engineer, I chose to define "wasteland" as a place that has a difficult present or future value.

Anything "urban", regardless of condition, has potential because of location. It is within major utility service zones. I've seen the transformation work in several cities.

Tract housing has it's purpose. A little more elbow room for inhabitants compared to high-rise buildings in an urban setting.

Wide open hills, fields or desert are generally outside of utility service zones. Utilities can be extended but at tremendous cost. These areas are better left untouched to serve whatever environmental value they might have.


Wide open hills, fields or desert it is.

[BDKJMU]

As a Civil Engineer, I chose to define "wasteland" as a place that has a difficult present or future value.

Anything "urban", regardless of condition, has potential because of location. It is within major utility service zones. I've seen the transformation work in several cities.

Tract housing has it's purpose. A little more elbow room for inhabitants compared to high-rise buildings in an urban setting.

Wide open hills, fields or desert are generally outside of utility service zones. Utilities can be extended but at tremendous cost. These areas are better left untouched to serve whatever environmental value they might have.


Wide open hills, fields or desert it is.

So you're not talking natural beauty then. You're talking ease of development.

[CAA Flagship]

As a Civil Engineer, I chose to define "wasteland" as a place that has a difficult present or future value.

Anything "urban", regardless of condition, has potential because of location. It is within major utility service zones. I've seen the transformation work in several cities.

Tract housing has it's purpose. A little more elbow room for inhabitants compared to high-rise buildings in an urban setting.

Wide open hills, fields or desert are generally outside of utility service zones. Utilities can be extended but at tremendous cost. These areas are better left untouched to serve whatever environmental value they might have.


Wide open hills, fields or desert it is.

So you're not talking natural beauty then. You're talking ease of development.

Yup. I'm talking about the near-term needs of humans.
Now, blighted urban neighborhoods, left as such, would be a waste. But that doesn't stay that way forever, especially in pro-redevelopment local governments.

[Gil Dobie]

As a Civil Engineer, I chose to define "wasteland" as a place that has a difficult present or future value.

Anything "urban", regardless of condition, has potential because of location. It is within major utility service zones. I've seen the transformation work in several cities.

Tract housing has it's purpose. A little more elbow room for inhabitants compared to high-rise buildings in an urban setting.

Wide open hills, fields or desert are generally outside of utility service zones. Utilities can be extended but at tremendous cost. These areas are better left untouched to serve whatever environmental value they might have.


Wide open hills, fields or desert it is.

Aren't the wide open fields the place where the grain is grown that makes your pizza dough?

[CAA Flagship]

As a Civil Engineer, I chose to define "wasteland" as a place that has a difficult present or future value.

Anything "urban", regardless of condition, has potential because of location. It is within major utility service zones. I've seen the transformation work in several cities.

Tract housing has it's purpose. A little more elbow room for inhabitants compared to high-rise buildings in an urban setting.

Wide open hills, fields or desert are generally outside of utility service zones. Utilities can be extended but at tremendous cost. These areas are better left untouched to serve whatever environmental value they might have.


Wide open hills, fields or desert it is.

Aren't the wide open fields the place where the grain is grown that makes your pizza dough?

Sometimes. So wouldn't that make urban redevelopment more valuable?

Hey, don't blame me for making my own definition. Blame the pollster.
He should be tarred and feathered. Also, de-testicled.

[kalm]

As a Civil Engineer, I chose to define "wasteland" as a place that has a difficult present or future value.

Anything "urban", regardless of condition, has potential because of location. It is within major utility service zones. I've seen the transformation work in several cities.

Tract housing has it's purpose. A little more elbow room for inhabitants compared to high-rise buildings in an urban setting.

Wide open hills, fields or desert are generally outside of utility service zones. Utilities can be extended but at tremendous cost. These areas are better left untouched to serve whatever environmental value they might have.


Wide open hills, fields or desert it is.

Value is subjective as you kind of implied.

It also changes. The shrub-steppe of central Washington had little monetary value before the Columbia Basin Reclamation Project.

Airway Heights, WA...a dumpy little air force town outside of Spokane 10 years ago had as much commercial property for sale as all of King County and is now exploding.

I don’t think wasteland actually exists.

[89Hen]

[UNI88]

Aren't the wide open fields the place where the grain is grown that makes your pizza dough?

Sometimes. So wouldn't that make urban redevelopment more valuable?

Hey, don't blame me for making my own definition. Blame the pollster.
He should be tarred and feathered. Also, de-testicled.

Define wasteland how you want and vote accordingly. And stay away from my testicleS!

It looks like it's you and probably 89 on the open hills, fields & deserts. Are you sure that's a neighborhood you want to hang out in?

[BDKJMU]

So you're not talking natural beauty then. You're talking ease of development.

Yup. I'm talking about the near-term needs of humans.
Now, blighted urban neighborhoods, left as such, would be a waste. But that doesn't stay that way forever, especially in pro-redevelopment local governments.

But what if you hate people and don’t want any nearly neighbors? That would make the wide open spaces the least wasteland.

[CAA Flagship]

Yup. I'm talking about the near-term needs of humans.
Now, blighted urban neighborhoods, left as such, would be a waste. But that doesn't stay that way forever, especially in pro-redevelopment local governments.

But what if you hate people and don’t want any nearly neighbors? That would make the wide open spaces the least wasteland.

Would I be just visiting these open spaces? Because if I built a house and lived there, it's no longer open spaces.
(besides, I like city water and sewer)

[CAA Flagship]

Value is subjective as you kind of implied.

It also changes. The shrub-steppe of central Washington had little monetary value before the Columbia Basin Reclamation Project.

Airway Heights, WA...a dumpy little air force town outside of Spokane 10 years ago had as much commercial property for sale as all of King County and is now exploding.

I don’t think wasteland actually exists.

My analytical mind (I'm anal that way. No homo.) had me look at the opposite of "waste". I came up with "value".

OK. All of the examples have some value. The "tract homes" option steered me in the value mode for human living places. So I looked at the ghetto as an opportunity for redevelopment in a utility service area. That's prime real estate. No infrastructure in the open hills, fields, and deserts. It could be developed but the cost is higher to extend the infrastructure, so less value.

But yeah, open spaces have environmental, recreational, and agricultural value. But it included deserts. That is spoiling the grouping like a pizza bubble.

[kalm]

But what if you hate people and don’t want any nearly neighbors? That would make the wide open spaces the least wasteland.

Would I be just visiting these open spaces? Because if I built a house and lived there, it's no longer open spaces.
(besides, I like city water and sewer)

Unless water is diverted or draught resistant crops and more efficient Ag practices are employed.

[UNI88]

Value is subjective as you kind of implied.

It also changes. The shrub-steppe of central Washington had little monetary value before the Columbia Basin Reclamation Project.

Airway Heights, WA...a dumpy little air force town outside of Spokane 10 years ago had as much commercial property for sale as all of King County and is now exploding.

I don’t think wasteland actually exists.

My analytical mind (I'm anal that way. No homo.) had me look at the opposite of "waste". I came up with "value".

OK. All of the examples have some value. The "tract homes" option steered me in the value mode for human living places. So I looked at the ghetto as an opportunity for redevelopment in a utility service area. That's prime real estate. No infrastructure in the open hills, fields, and deserts. It could be developed but the cost is higher to extend the infrastructure, so less value.

But yeah, open spaces have environmental, recreational, and agricultural value. But it included deserts. That is spoiling the grouping like a pizza bubble.

Where does agave grow without deserts? Without agave there is no tequila, without tequila, there are no margaritas. Cinco de Mayo would be a disaster.

Each place has its pros and cons. Tract homes might provide living places but they also increased the demand for autos and oil which have had negative environmental and foreign dependence impacts.

[89Hen]

waste·land
/ˈwās(t)land/
noun
an unused area of land that has become barren or overgrown.

So there's that.

[CAA Flagship]

Where does agave grow without deserts? Without agave there is no tequila, without tequila, there are no margaritas. Cinco de Mayo would be a disaster.

Each place has its pros and cons. Tract homes might provide living places but they also increased the demand for autos and oil which have had negative environmental and foreign dependence impacts.

Hold the Mayo.

What's the alternative to tract home development? High rise buildings?

[UNI88]

waste·land
/ˈwās(t)land/
noun
an unused area of land that has become barren or overgrown.

So there's that.

Overgrown with what? Tract homes? Abandoned buildings? Sh!t, an abundance of abandoned or decrepit buildings could be considered both overgrown and barren.

So there's that.

Your perspective is just that, your perspective. It isn't fact and it isn't necessarily right.

[AshevilleApp]

I opted for the burbs and pee in the butt. The blighted urban neighborhoods seems like an obvious answer, but I see potential there. Maybe.

But if they met their potential, they would become non blighted.

Most to least "wasteland":
-Blighted urban neighborhoods.
-Miles of tract housing and strip malls you find in suburbia.
-Non-blighted urban neighborhoods.
-Wide open hills, fields or desert.

Urban wastelands already have infrastructure in place and can be redeveloped.

[89Hen]

waste·land
/ˈwās(t)land/
noun
an unused area of land that has become barren or overgrown.

So there's that.

Overgrown with what? Tract homes? Abandoned buildings? Sh!t, an abundance of abandoned or decrepit buildings could be considered both overgrown and barren.

So there's that.

Your perspective is just that, your perspective. It isn't fact and it isn't necessarily right.

I think it's funny that this has stuck in your craw so much.

BTW, why would the question be "what is more" but you can choose three?

[kalm]

Overgrown with what? Tract homes? Abandoned buildings? Sh!t, an abundance of abandoned or decrepit buildings could be considered both overgrown and barren.

So there's that.

Your perspective is just that, your perspective. It isn't fact and it isn't necessarily right.

I think it's funny that this has stuck in your craw so much.

BTW, why would the question be "what is more" but you can choose three?

It’s like freedom fighters vs terrorists.

One man’s wasteland is another man’s repurposed plot for development or garden of Eden.

[CAA Flagship]

So what did I win?

[HI54UNI]

So what did I win?

An all expense paid trip to St. Louis and a fruit pizza.