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pantherrob82 wrote:I already settled this speed stuff on PN. I have to be the only person in the country to see both teams in person multiple times. C'mon.
Rob, I don't post on PN but I'm guessing that you said they were both fast.
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Bear wrote:A Morehead State D-Bag coming at Montana for being small time? There is hilarious irony in this...I had to Google the **** place for Christ's sakes! Please go back to playing your banjo and slapping your knee dip****.
You really shouldn't call Willie a D-Bag. It's not very nice. :kisswink:
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Reading over on eGriz, apparently they are in the process of getting the M on Mount Sentinel illuminated for the game.
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Bear wrote:A Morehead State D-Bag coming at Montana for being small time? There is hilarious irony in this...I had to Google the **** place for Christ's sakes! Please go back to playing your banjo and slapping your knee dip****.
You really shouldn't call Willie a D-Bag. It's not very nice. :kisswink:
Wrong MOORHEAD, numbnuts. :lol:

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D1B wrote: BTW, I've been to Wash Griz and it's a mini D1 stadium and no big wuup. Several of em can fit into places that UNI plays at annually or frequently. Course you **** wouldn't know because you play a DIII OOC scedule.

It aint that loud either. It's just that everyone is drunk or on drugs. I sure was (on both) the last three times I was there. :nod:

Bottom line, all because you love it doesn't mean it aint a **** little dump.
Yeah, there wasn't a soul there when we played at Tennessee. 6900 at UNI last week; 22,000 in Missoula. End of discussion.

I'm curious what that hot MLB was doing last week when Wofford torched you for 457 on the ground. Taking a break? Maybe a lot of his tackles are way past the line of scrimmage.....
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kemajic wrote:
D1B wrote: BTW, I've been to Wash Griz and it's a mini D1 stadium and no big wuup. Several of em can fit into places that UNI plays at annually or frequently. Course you **** wouldn't know because you play a DIII OOC scedule.

It aint that loud either. It's just that everyone is drunk or on drugs. I sure was (on both) the last three times I was there. :nod:

Bottom line, all because you love it doesn't mean it aint a **** little dump.
Yeah, there wasn't a soul there when we played at Tennessee. 6900 at UNI last week; 22,000 in Missoula. End of discussion.

I'm curious what that hot MLB was doing last week when Wofford torched you for 457 on the ground. Taking a break? Maybe a lot of his tackles are way past the line of scrimmage.....
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Willie wrote:
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You really shouldn't call Willie a D-Bag. It's not very nice. :kisswink:
Wrong MOORHEAD, numbnuts. :lol:

And I didn't play at MSU-M.
Oops ...

Morehead - Moorhead, Moorhead - Concordia, is there really that big of a difference?
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AZGrizFan wrote:
kemajic wrote: Yeah, there wasn't a soul there when we played at Tennessee. 6900 at UNI last week; 22,000 in Missoula. End of discussion.

I'm curious what that hot MLB was doing last week when Wofford torched you for 457 on the ground. Taking a break? Maybe a lot of his tackles are way past the line of scrimmage.....
:nod: :nod: :nod:
Being a MLB in a Cover 2 defense leads to a lot of tackles in the 4-8 yard range. UNI doesn't do a ton of blitzing up the middle either due to Bootbhy eating that up....Heck, UNI doesn't blitz a lot to begin with. The UNI defense is very much set up to keep things in front and take the opportunities to cause TO's and problems when the other team presents them. It is exactly why UNI is has high in the TO margin at they are, and why LJ has forced 6 fumbles from his MLB spot.

It is a defense that drives the fan base batty a lot due to the yards that can be given up on plays that shouldn't give up big yards at times. It also drive the fan base crazy that our scheme allows WR's a free release and under route for the first 5-7 yards.

With that said, some how the defense has found ways to make plays at the right time this year, and I can't/won't complain about that.


UM and UNI are almost identical teams. It will be a very interesting battle.
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clenz wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: :nod: :nod: :nod:
Being a MLB in a Cover 2 defense leads to a lot of tackles in the 4-8 yard range. UNI doesn't do a ton of blitzing up the middle either due to Bootbhy eating that up....Heck, UNI doesn't blitz a lot to begin with. The UNI defense is very much set up to keep things in front and take the opportunities to cause TO's and problems when the other team presents them. It is exactly why UNI is has high in the TO margin at they are, and why LJ has forced 6 fumbles from his MLB spot.

It is a defense that drives the fan base batty a lot due to the yards that can be given up on plays that shouldn't give up big yards at times. It also drive the fan base crazy that our scheme allows WR's a free release and under route for the first 5-7 yards.

With that said, some how the defense has found ways to make plays at the right time this year, and I can't/won't complain about that.


UM and UNI are almost identical teams. It will be a very interesting battle.
In that case, they could have a long night trying to deal with the zone/read option that Johnson has been running to near-perfection as of late. :nod:
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clenz wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: :nod: :nod: :nod:
Being a MLB in a Cover 2 defense leads to a lot of tackles in the 4-8 yard range. UNI doesn't do a ton of blitzing up the middle either due to Bootbhy eating that up....Heck, UNI doesn't blitz a lot to begin with. The UNI defense is very much set up to keep things in front and take the opportunities to cause TO's and problems when the other team presents them. It is exactly why UNI is has high in the TO margin at they are, and why LJ has forced 6 fumbles from his MLB spot.

It is a defense that drives the fan base batty a lot due to the yards that can be given up on plays that shouldn't give up big yards at times. It also drive the fan base crazy that our scheme allows WR's a free release and under route for the first 5-7 yards.

With that said, some how the defense has found ways to make plays at the right time this year, and I can't/won't complain about that.


UM and UNI are almost identical teams. It will be a very interesting battle.
I noticed that to begin with. Your D-Line has almost every sack but 2 of them. :twocents:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
clenz wrote:Being a MLB in a Cover 2 defense leads to a lot of tackles in the 4-8 yard range. UNI doesn't do a ton of blitzing up the middle either due to Bootbhy eating that up....Heck, UNI doesn't blitz a lot to begin with. The UNI defense is very much set up to keep things in front and take the opportunities to cause TO's and problems when the other team presents them. It is exactly why UNI is has high in the TO margin at they are, and why LJ has forced 6 fumbles from his MLB spot.

It is a defense that drives the fan base batty a lot due to the yards that can be given up on plays that shouldn't give up big yards at times. It also drive the fan base crazy that our scheme allows WR's a free release and under route for the first 5-7 yards.

With that said, some how the defense has found ways to make plays at the right time this year, and I can't/won't complain about that.


UM and UNI are almost identical teams. It will be a very interesting battle.
In that case, they could have a long night trying to deal with the zone/read option that Johnson has been running to near-perfection as of late. :nod:
It doesn't really affect how the DB's play the run. They start 4 yards (on average) off the WR, and like every CB worth a damn playing football their first 2-3 steps are back peddles. The CB's aren't really needed for stopping the run in our set up. Boothby and Augie are pretty damn good at eating up G-C-G, and our ends have contain assignments. This is what allows our LB's to have the tackle numbers they do. They don't have many OL getting on them off the snap so they are able to read and scrape on run plays. The front 4 (as has been pointed out) has 22 of the 24 UNI sacks, what does that tell you about the strength of the front 4 for UNI?

It is a gap control defense. It's a "basic" defensive principle, but the intricacies of how the DL stunts, how the LB's scrape, how the zones overlap, etc... that make it a fairly effective defense.

The TO that Woffy ran was a bitch to contain, and while they put up a ton of yards they couldn't turn them into points - which is exactly what the defense has done this year. I've never watch a team run E/W as much as Woffy but pick up yards in chunks while doing it like Woffy did. I would watch a play from the endzone and it looked like the RB was going almost straight EW, but when he got hit he was 5-7 yards down field.


Like I said, these two teams are very very similar.

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This game will likely end under 40 total points...or over 53
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Grizalltheway wrote:
In that case, they could have a long night trying to deal with the zone/read option that Johnson has been running to near-perfection as of late. :nod:
It doesn't really affect how the DB's play the run. They start 4 yards (on average) off the WR, and like every CB worth a damn playing football their first 2-3 steps are back peddles. The CB's aren't really needed for stopping the run in our set up. Boothby and Augie are pretty damn good at eating up G-C-G, and our ends have contain assignments. This is what allows our LB's to have the tackle numbers they do. They don't have many OL getting on them off the snap so they are able to read and scrape on run plays. The front 4 (as has been pointed out) has 22 of the 24 UNI sacks, what does that tell you about the strength of the front 4 for UNI?

It is a gap control defense. It's a "basic" defensive principle, but the intricacies of how the DL stunts, how the LB's scrape, how the zones overlap, etc... that make it a fairly effective defense.

The TO that Woffy ran was a bitch to contain, and while they put up a ton of yards they couldn't turn them into points - which is exactly what the defense has done this year. I've never watch a team run E/W as much as Woffy but pick up yards in chunks while doing it like Woffy did. I would watch a play from the endzone and it looked like the RB was going almost straight EW, but when he got hit he was 5-7 yards down field.


Like I said, these two teams are very very similar.

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This game will likely end under 40 total points...or over 53
I don't doubt that they're very good, but I doubt they've faced an O-line as good as ours, outside of Iowa State or maybe NDSU. Very few sacks given up by them, and Johnson is a slippery bastard who can escape in the blink of an eye.
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UNI88 wrote:
Willie wrote: Wrong MOORHEAD, numbnuts. :lol:

And I didn't play at MSU-M.
Oops ...

Morehead - Moorhead, Moorhead - Concordia, is there really that big of a difference?
Complete dogshit D-II vs top 3 in arguably one of the toughest D-III conferences...yeah there's a big difference.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
clenz wrote:It doesn't really affect how the DB's play the run. They start 4 yards (on average) off the WR, and like every CB worth a damn playing football their first 2-3 steps are back peddles. The CB's aren't really needed for stopping the run in our set up. Boothby and Augie are pretty damn good at eating up G-C-G, and our ends have contain assignments. This is what allows our LB's to have the tackle numbers they do. They don't have many OL getting on them off the snap so they are able to read and scrape on run plays. The front 4 (as has been pointed out) has 22 of the 24 UNI sacks, what does that tell you about the strength of the front 4 for UNI?

It is a gap control defense. It's a "basic" defensive principle, but the intricacies of how the DL stunts, how the LB's scrape, how the zones overlap, etc... that make it a fairly effective defense.

The TO that Woffy ran was a bitch to contain, and while they put up a ton of yards they couldn't turn them into points - which is exactly what the defense has done this year. I've never watch a team run E/W as much as Woffy but pick up yards in chunks while doing it like Woffy did. I would watch a play from the endzone and it looked like the RB was going almost straight EW, but when he got hit he was 5-7 yards down field.


Like I said, these two teams are very very similar.

I'm stealing this from a PN post
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This game will likely end under 40 total points...or over 53
I don't doubt that they're very good, but I doubt they've faced an O-line as good as ours, outside of Iowa State or maybe NDSU. Very few sacks given up by them, and Johnson is a slippery bastard who can escape in the blink of an eye.
God damn....it's interesting to see that UM fans can't give UNI any credit without following it immediately with a backhand slam. Wow.

UNI has faced some dang good OL and RB's...RB's better than Johnson. I will be a great match up....interesting to see how each side actually matches on the field.
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clenz wrote: Like I said, these two teams are very very similar.

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One thing missing from your analysis is the more recent trends. Montana might be allowing 19.8/game, but the last four have been 10/7/10/14. And four straight games under 300 yards total offense allowed. UNI, on the other hand, has numbers that have trended higher having allowed MORE than their average points in each in the past five weeks.
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clenz wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
I don't doubt that they're very good, but I doubt they've faced an O-line as good as ours, outside of Iowa State or maybe NDSU. Very few sacks given up by them, and Johnson is a slippery bastard who can escape in the blink of an eye.
God damn....it's interesting to see that UM fans can't give UNI any credit without following it immediately with a backhand slam. Wow.

UNI has faced some dang good OL and RB's...RB's better than Johnson. I will be a great match up....interesting to see how each side actually matches on the field.
Your point is valid, but not as valid as ours.
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clenz wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
I don't doubt that they're very good, but I doubt they've faced an O-line as good as ours, outside of Iowa State or maybe NDSU. Very few sacks given up by them, and Johnson is a slippery bastard who can escape in the blink of an eye.
God damn....it's interesting to see that UM fans can't give UNI any credit without following it immediately with a backhand slam. Wow.

UNI has faced some dang good OL and RB's...RB's better than Johnson. I will be a great match up....interesting to see how each side actually matches on the field.
Not a backhanded slam at all, I just don't foresee UNI getting many sacks against a very good O-line and a slippery QB.

And yeah, not even knowing who our QB is screams 'respect'. :lol:
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Silenoz wrote:Johnson's our QB
Point being, he is exceptionally difficult to sack. He can escape toward the sideline and does not hesitate to throw the ball away, which hurts his passing %, but keeps a lot of drives alive. Montana has given up a total of nine sacks, most of them midseason when Johnson was hampered by an ankle sprain .
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Grizalltheway wrote:
clenz wrote: God damn....it's interesting to see that UM fans can't give UNI any credit without following it immediately with a backhand slam. Wow.

UNI has faced some dang good OL and RB's...RB's better than Johnson. I will be a great match up....interesting to see how each side actually matches on the field.
Not a backhanded slam at all, I just don't foresee UNI getting many sacks against a very good O-line and a slippery QB.

And yeah, not even knowing who our QB is screams 'respect'. :lol:
On the flip side, it's entirely possible, likely probable, that UNI's DL will be the best you've seen all year...sans Tennessee.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
clenz wrote: Like I said, these two teams are very very similar.

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One thing missing from your analysis is the more recent trends. Montana might be allowing 19.8/game, but the last four have been 10/7/10/14. And four straight games under 300 yards total offense allowed. UNI, on the other hand, has numbers that have trended higher having allowed MORE than their average points in each in the past five weeks.
You act as though UNI has been given up 30 points per game...the last 4 have been 17-21-20 (OT game in which regular score was 13)-21, prior to that it was 27, and then it was 10-14-9-7-10-23-20.

Only twice this year has UNI given up more than 21, only once more than 23, and never more than 27. Hell, UNI's defense has never allowed more than 3 TD's in a single game to be completely honestly.


UNI's defense is better than you are given them credit for....then again I need to remember who I'm quoting on this one. You would pick the Alaska School of the Deaf Dumb Blind and Paralyzed to beat UNI.
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clenz wrote:You act as though UNI has been given up 30 points per game...the last 4 have been 17-21-20 (OT game in which regular score was 13)-21, prior to that it was 27, and then it was 10-14-9-7-10-23-20.

Only twice this year has UNI given up more than 21, only once more than 23, and never more than 27. Hell, UNI's defense has never allowed more than 3 TD's in a single game to be completely honestly.

UNI's defense is better than you are given them credit for....then again I need to remember who I'm quoting on this one. You would pick the Alaska School of the Deaf Dumb Blind and Paralyzed to beat UNI.
Easy, killer. I've thought UNI was the better team out of the MVFC all year...then you lost to NDSU. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: I hear you on the defensive statistics...very nice, especially the "never allowed more than 3 TD's" stat.

I will take the OVER on that stat this week. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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clenz wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Not a backhanded slam at all, I just don't foresee UNI getting many sacks against a very good O-line and a slippery QB.

And yeah, not even knowing who our QB is screams 'respect'. :lol:
On the flip side, it's entirely possible, likely probable, that UNI's DL will be the best you've seen all year...sans Tennessee.
Certainly possible. It'll be interesting to watch the battle in the trenches...hopefully I won't be too tanked to do so effectively. :oops:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
clenz wrote:You act as though UNI has been given up 30 points per game...the last 4 have been 17-21-20 (OT game in which regular score was 13)-21, prior to that it was 27, and then it was 10-14-9-7-10-23-20.

Only twice this year has UNI given up more than 21, only once more than 23, and never more than 27. Hell, UNI's defense has never allowed more than 3 TD's in a single game to be completely honestly.

UNI's defense is better than you are given them credit for....then again I need to remember who I'm quoting on this one. You would pick the Alaska School of the Deaf Dumb Blind and Paralyzed to beat UNI.
Easy, killer. I've thought UNI was the better team out of the MVFC all year...then you lost to NDSU. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: I hear you on the defensive statistics...very nice, especially the "never allowed more than 3 TD's" stat.

I will take the OVER on that stat this week. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Which is possible. Like I said before the total for points scored on this game will either be under 40 total points....or over 53-55....something like 20-17...ish either way or 35-28 ish either way.
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