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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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GOKATS wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
I agree 100 %...especially when I read crap like this...




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Problem is, it's the truth......................hurts don't it?

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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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ToTheLeft wrote:No mention of Liberty at all? Really?

We'll see about that.
Liberty hasn't beaten anyone.
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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Col Hogan wrote:I agree 100 %...especially when I read crap like this...
GOKATS wrote: The inequity we have out west is we often schedule DII teams that would regularly beat teams that the EC FCS teams get to count as DI wins.
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There are numerous DII teams that could regularly beat many (if not all) of the D-I nonscholly or partial scholarship teams.
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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JayJ79 wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:I agree 100 %...especially when I read crap like this...

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There are numerous DII teams that could regularly beat many (if not all) of the D-I nonscholly or partial scholarship teams.
I keep hearing this...stated as fact...

As I said, the truth can be proven....I'm waiting for the proof...

Otherwise, it's opinion...and as the man said, like an ass hole, everyone has an opinion... :coffee:
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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Col Hogan wrote:
JayJ79 wrote:
There are numerous DII teams that could regularly beat many (if not all) of the D-I nonscholly or partial scholarship teams.
I keep hearing this...stated as fact...

As I said, the truth can be proven....I'm waiting for the proof...

Otherwise, it's opinion...and as the man said, like an ass hole, everyone has an opinion... :coffee:
It'll never be proven because a Central Washington, Chadron St., etc. will never play one of those non/partial schollie teams that EC teams get to play & count as DI wins. Odds are though, that if it ever did happen those DII schools would win. Hell, I bet NAIA Carroll College from Helena, MT would beat some of those schools on a regular basis.
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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FCS Update wrote:
ToTheLeft wrote:No mention of Liberty at all? Really?

We'll see about that.
Liberty hasn't beaten anyone.
Are you nuts? That sounds like B(C)$ mania to me.

1. Liberty is the lone blemish on #20 Lafayette's near-perfect record.

2. Liberty recently defeated the out-of-nowhere-hot Chuck South, winners of four of their last six.

3. Just about every game Liberty is "supposed" to win has been a blowout victory.

What else does Liberty have to do? We just went through this debate over Boise, and now we have to do it again with Liberty? This is absolutely NUTS!!!
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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FCS Update wrote:
ToTheLeft wrote:No mention of Liberty at all? Really?

We'll see about that.
Liberty hasn't beaten anyone.
If you go by GPI, they've beaten a better opponent (Lafayette) than anyone App or UNI have beaten.

I would figure someone putting together "FCS Update" would do some research. Lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. I'm not saying that LU belongs in, but not having them in the discussion with a weaksauce reason like that? No bueno.

I guess it's better to have Armanti Edwards and lose to McNeese, or have a big UNI-dome but lose to every good team we play, rather than go on the road and beat a team that is a game away from winning the Patriot League, and undefeated aside from our victory over them...
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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slycat wrote:SCSU will host unless they blow their last few games.
That actually brings up a good point on these brackets, because if App gets a seed, SCSU is going to App. They are only 225 miles from App and when the seeds are determined the closest to the seeds goes to the seed.
If so, that should put Eastern Illinois at SIU. I haven't checked the mileage, but am sure it is a "bus trip".
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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Col Hogan wrote:
JayJ79 wrote:
There are numerous DII teams that could regularly beat many (if not all) of the D-I nonscholly or partial scholarship teams.
I keep hearing this...stated as fact...

As I said, the truth can be proven....I'm waiting for the proof...


Otherwise, it's opinion...and as the man said, like an ass hole, everyone has an opinion... :coffee:
You can't prove, you also cant prove that the caa is better than the bsc this year either, but that doesn't mean it's not a reasonable assumption.

How have D2's done in their transition year against non schollies?does San diego play any western d2's?
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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SuperHornet wrote:
FCS Update wrote:
Liberty hasn't beaten anyone.
Are you nuts? That sounds like B(C)$ mania to me.

1. Liberty is the lone blemish on #20 Lafayette's near-perfect record.

2. Liberty recently defeated the out-of-nowhere-hot Chuck South, winners of four of their last six.

3. Just about every game Liberty is "supposed" to win has been a blowout victory.

What else does Liberty have to do? We just went through this debate over Boise, and now we have to do it again with Liberty? This is absolutely NUTS!!!

I'm not nuts. Liberty will not be in. Look at Laffeyette's schedule. Being the lone blemish is nothing to brag about.

Who cares about Charleston Southern? Who did they beat?

Liberty's playoff hopes rested on James Madison, a team that ended up being much worse than expected and still beat Liberty, at Liberty.


Liberty could not beat a bottom CAA team, they have no playoff history, they will not be in.
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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kalm wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
I keep hearing this...stated as fact...

As I said, the truth can be proven....I'm waiting for the proof...


Otherwise, it's opinion...and as the man said, like an ass hole, everyone has an opinion... :coffee:
You can't prove, you also cant prove that the caa is better than the bsc this year either, but that doesn't mean it's not a reasonable assumption.

How have D2's done in their transition year against non schollies?does San diego play any western d2's?
You made my point for me....thank you...

Because I keep hereing folks state AS FACT that the DII schools that you guys out west play would beat the IAA partial/non schooly schools the eastern teams play...

Well, I call B.S. on that but readily admit it's OPINION, not fact...

And your point on the CAA is also valid...one can make a reasonable assumption, but we don't have facts...

Sorry if I'm being picky... :kisswink:
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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ToTheLeft wrote:
FCS Update wrote:
Liberty hasn't beaten anyone.
If you go by GPI, they've beaten a better opponent (Lafayette) than anyone App or UNI have beaten.

I would figure someone putting together "FCS Update" would do some research. Lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. I'm not saying that LU belongs in, but not having them in the discussion with a weaksauce reason like that? No bueno.

I guess it's better to have Armanti Edwards and lose to McNeese, or have a big UNI-dome but lose to every good team we play, rather than go on the road and beat a team that is a game away from winning the Patriot League, and undefeated aside from our victory over them...
God, please let Liberty in. And please let them play ASU in the first round.

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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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ToTheLeft wrote:
FCS Update wrote:
Liberty hasn't beaten anyone.
If you go by GPI, they've beaten a better opponent (Lafayette) than anyone App or UNI have beaten.

I would figure someone putting together "FCS Update" would do some research. Lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. I'm not saying that LU belongs in, but not having them in the discussion with a weaksauce reason like that? No bueno.

I guess it's better to have Armanti Edwards and lose to McNeese, or have a big UNI-dome but lose to every good team we play, rather than go on the road and beat a team that is a game away from winning the Patriot League, and undefeated aside from our victory over them...
Stop being a homer. I am presenting facts. I've done my research. I've even talked to people in the know. Liberty just won't make it this year. It's not like I have a personal vendetta against the Flames.

You lost your playoff bid against James Madison. Had you won that game you would've had 2 wins over autobid leagues and been Top 16 in the GPI.

Like it or not, the NCAA likes names with history and money. Those are 2 things UNI and App State have. Both teams are more highly regarded than Liberty in polls and computer rankings.


So if you want me to lie to you, just to make you feel better, go read someone elses blog. If you want the opinion of a 20 year fan of FCS football who is laying out the facts as he sees them, that would be me.

I'm not politically correct, and I'm not going to give the non-autobid conferences cookies and juice boxes. :ohno:
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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mountain_man wrote:
ToTheLeft wrote:
If you go by GPI, they've beaten a better opponent (Lafayette) than anyone App or UNI have beaten.

I would figure someone putting together "FCS Update" would do some research. Lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. I'm not saying that LU belongs in, but not having them in the discussion with a weaksauce reason like that? No bueno.

I guess it's better to have Armanti Edwards and lose to McNeese, or have a big UNI-dome but lose to every good team we play, rather than go on the road and beat a team that is a game away from winning the Patriot League, and undefeated aside from our victory over them...
God, please let Liberty in. And please let them play ASU in the first round.

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It reminds me of San Diego when Jim Harbaugh wouldn't shut his mouth. Everyone was begging for them to get in and get sent to Montana or Northern Iowa.

This is my problem with non-auto bid teams whining. You beat one of 3 teams in contention for the Patriot League (arguably one of the worst auto bid leagues) and all of the sudden you deserve an at-large bid. They don't mention the fact that they lost to the 9th place team from the CAA.
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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FCS Update wrote:
ToTheLeft wrote:
If you go by GPI, they've beaten a better opponent (Lafayette) than anyone App or UNI have beaten.

I would figure someone putting together "FCS Update" would do some research. Lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. I'm not saying that LU belongs in, but not having them in the discussion with a weaksauce reason like that? No bueno.

I guess it's better to have Armanti Edwards and lose to McNeese, or have a big UNI-dome but lose to every good team we play, rather than go on the road and beat a team that is a game away from winning the Patriot League, and undefeated aside from our victory over them...
Stop being a homer. I am presenting facts. I've done my research. I've even talked to people in the know. Liberty just won't make it this year. It's not like I have a personal vendetta against the Flames.

You lost your playoff bid against James Madison. Had you won that game you would've had 2 wins over autobid leagues and been Top 16 in the GPI.

Like it or not, the NCAA likes names with history and money. Those are 2 things UNI and App State have. Both teams are more highly regarded than Liberty in polls and computer rankings.


So if you want me to lie to you, just to make you feel better, go read someone elses blog. If you want the opinion of a 20 year fan of FCS football who is laying out the facts as he sees them, that would be me.

I'm not politically correct, and I'm not going to give the non-autobid conferences cookies and juice boxes. :ohno:
Had you been "in the know", you'd know the bolded portion is bogus and doesn't apply to the Big South. And even still, we wouldn't have money and history, and JMU is "down" despite being top 20 in the GPI. So why would we make it over a team with AE and "the Rock", or a team with a big Dome?

For all the crying that people do about the BCS, at least they involve teams from lower conferences if they earn the right. LU has done just as good this year as UNI and App in terms of resume, and based on resume we would be out SFA for a bid, as well. It's good to see, however, that money and tradition are the real factor here.

But whatever, we're out. Fine. Whoever it is that you have "in the know" is much more right than anyone can fathom. Next year can't come soon enough, so everyone can hate on LU because they're in and "don't belong there"... Man I'll love that.
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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Also, it's cute how you can twist facts to make the 18th best team in the country into "The 9th best team in the CAA"

What does that make Delaware, then, a team that you have as one of the last teams out? They lost to that same 9th place team, and their best win is over the 6th place team in that same conference. Get a freakin' clue. You're biased, you're not really "doing research", and your predictions are a crock.
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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ToTheLeft wrote:
FCS Update wrote:
Stop being a homer. I am presenting facts. I've done my research. I've even talked to people in the know. Liberty just won't make it this year. It's not like I have a personal vendetta against the Flames.

You lost your playoff bid against James Madison. Had you won that game you would've had 2 wins over autobid leagues and been Top 16 in the GPI.

Like it or not, the NCAA likes names with history and money. Those are 2 things UNI and App State have. Both teams are more highly regarded than Liberty in polls and computer rankings.


So if you want me to lie to you, just to make you feel better, go read someone elses blog. If you want the opinion of a 20 year fan of FCS football who is laying out the facts as he sees them, that would be me.

I'm not politically correct, and I'm not going to give the non-autobid conferences cookies and juice boxes. :ohno:
Had you been "in the know", you'd know the bolded portion is bogus and doesn't apply to the Big South. And even still, we wouldn't have money and history, and JMU is "down" despite being top 20 in the GPI. So why would we make it over a team with AE and "the Rock", or a team with a big Dome?

For all the crying that people do about the BCS, at least they involve teams from lower conferences if they earn the right. LU has done just as good this year as UNI and App in terms of resume, and based on resume we would be out SFA for a bid, as well. It's good to see, however, that money and tradition are the real factor here.

But whatever, we're out. Fine. Whoever it is that you have "in the know" is much more right than anyone can fathom. Next year can't come soon enough, so everyone can hate on LU because they're in and "don't belong there"... Man I'll love that.
How is the bolded part bogus? you would've had 2 wins over autobid leagues and been Top 16 GPI.

So you want to use the GPI to point out that JMU is a good opponent, but ignore that UNI and App St are ahead of you?

Stop being a whiny baby. This is my opinion of how the committee will pick and pair the brackets. The people I talk to don't have to be right. This is an opinion. Grow up.
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ToTheLeft wrote:Also, it's cute how you can twist facts to make the 18th best team in the country into "The 9th best team in the CAA"

What does that make Delaware, then, a team that you have as one of the last teams out? They lost to that same 9th place team, and their best win is over the 6th place team in that same conference. Get a freakin' clue. You're biased, you're not really "doing research", and your predictions are a crock.
Check the CAA standings. JMU is tied for 8th with Hofstra, Hofstra won head to head. JMU is 9th. :rofl:

What's my bias? My only bias is wanting to be correct. I believe that means leaving Liberty out. Get over it.

For not doing any research, I'd say my articles and game predictions have been pretty good. How many FCS teams have you watched from your little hole in Lynchburg? :roll:
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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FCS Update has done a good job of prognosticating here. He's not a crank and knows more about FCS football than 95% here. Good work.

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I forgot, this is a mega-conference circle jerk.

Carry on.
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ToTheLeft wrote:I forgot, this is a mega-conference circle jerk.

Carry on.
Hey, no one had any problems with Coast Carolina... :coffee:
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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Coastal Carolina?

And I don't see how LU's resume is weaker than CCU's was that year. They had more FCS losses, and the win wasn't that much better than LU's Lafayette win...

Edit: 7-4 Wofford and Furman? Two SoCon losses to sub .500 teams? I guess I forgot the details of Coastal's playoff appearance, but that's a JOKE! If they got in with that, we belong in.
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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The Liberty bashing makes about as much sense as the UNH hatred on most FCS sites, despite the fact that they'll have the best resume in FCS if they beat W&M this week.

None of Northern Iowa, App. State or Elon have beaten a team as good as Liberty has, by the same computer numbers that you seem to note as reasons why Liberty is a lock not to make the playoffs. They have pretty much the same schedule breakdown of App. State who has a loss WORSE than Liberty's this year, AT HOME, and still, App. State is a lock, win or lose over Elon, and a LOCK For a seed, apparently, if they win out.

Liberty has no playoff history but there's nothing about their resume that shouldn't have them sitting SQUARELY on the bubble come selection time. If EWU and UD don't get to 8-3, I think Liberty is next in line, ahead of FAMU for sure.
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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WrenFGun wrote:The Liberty bashing makes about as much sense as the UNH hatred on most FCS sites, despite the fact that they'll have the best resume in FCS if they beat W&M this week.

None of Northern Iowa, App. State or Elon have beaten a team as good as Liberty has, by the same computer numbers that you seem to note as reasons why Liberty is a lock not to make the playoffs. They have pretty much the same schedule breakdown of App. State who has a loss WORSE than Liberty's this year, AT HOME, and still, App. State is a lock, win or lose over Elon, and a LOCK For a seed, apparently, if they win out.

Liberty has no playoff history but there's nothing about their resume that shouldn't have them sitting SQUARELY on the bubble come selection time. If EWU and UD don't get to 8-3, I think Liberty is next in line, ahead of FAMU for sure.
App State has losses to FBS ECU, and a loss at home to McNeese. Armanti wasn't anywhere near recovered yet, and I think we've seen that with the run they've gone on.

Northern Iowa has losses to FBS Iowa, Top 3 SIU and Top 10 SDSU. They've pounded everyone else they've played. They might not have a "big" win, but nothing has proven that they don't belong.

With Liberty, I don't think it's as much the arguement that they DON'T belong, as much of a lack of arguement that they DO. I'm not going off of polls, numbers, or stats. Just real life observation. Lafayette is not that good of a team, in my opinion. If they win out, that might change my mind a little bit, but look at their schedule.

2010 will change a lot of things, and luckily this is one of them. The Big South and NEC will get their chance to finally PROVE they belong.
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Re: 11/11 Playoff Predictions

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Also, if Liberty gets in, you won't see me complain. (unless they lose by 50) ;)
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