Indeed it does.GOKATS wrote:Problem is, it's the truth......................hurts don't it?Col Hogan wrote:
I agree 100 %...especially when I read crap like this...
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Indeed it does.GOKATS wrote:Problem is, it's the truth......................hurts don't it?Col Hogan wrote:
I agree 100 %...especially when I read crap like this...
Liberty hasn't beaten anyone.ToTheLeft wrote:No mention of Liberty at all? Really?
We'll see about that.
There are numerous DII teams that could regularly beat many (if not all) of the D-I nonscholly or partial scholarship teams.Col Hogan wrote:I agree 100 %...especially when I read crap like this...GOKATS wrote: The inequity we have out west is we often schedule DII teams that would regularly beat teams that the EC FCS teams get to count as DI wins.
I keep hearing this...stated as fact...JayJ79 wrote:There are numerous DII teams that could regularly beat many (if not all) of the D-I nonscholly or partial scholarship teams.Col Hogan wrote:I agree 100 %...especially when I read crap like this...
It'll never be proven because a Central Washington, Chadron St., etc. will never play one of those non/partial schollie teams that EC teams get to play & count as DI wins. Odds are though, that if it ever did happen those DII schools would win. Hell, I bet NAIA Carroll College from Helena, MT would beat some of those schools on a regular basis.Col Hogan wrote:I keep hearing this...stated as fact...JayJ79 wrote:
There are numerous DII teams that could regularly beat many (if not all) of the D-I nonscholly or partial scholarship teams.
As I said, the truth can be proven....I'm waiting for the proof...
Otherwise, it's opinion...and as the man said, like an ass hole, everyone has an opinion...
Are you nuts? That sounds like B(C)$ mania to me.FCS Update wrote:Liberty hasn't beaten anyone.ToTheLeft wrote:No mention of Liberty at all? Really?
We'll see about that.
If you go by GPI, they've beaten a better opponent (Lafayette) than anyone App or UNI have beaten.FCS Update wrote:Liberty hasn't beaten anyone.ToTheLeft wrote:No mention of Liberty at all? Really?
We'll see about that.
If so, that should put Eastern Illinois at SIU. I haven't checked the mileage, but am sure it is a "bus trip".danefan wrote:That actually brings up a good point on these brackets, because if App gets a seed, SCSU is going to App. They are only 225 miles from App and when the seeds are determined the closest to the seeds goes to the seed.slycat wrote:SCSU will host unless they blow their last few games.
You can't prove, you also cant prove that the caa is better than the bsc this year either, but that doesn't mean it's not a reasonable assumption.Col Hogan wrote:I keep hearing this...stated as fact...JayJ79 wrote:
There are numerous DII teams that could regularly beat many (if not all) of the D-I nonscholly or partial scholarship teams.
As I said, the truth can be proven....I'm waiting for the proof...
Otherwise, it's opinion...and as the man said, like an ass hole, everyone has an opinion...
SuperHornet wrote:Are you nuts? That sounds like B(C)$ mania to me.FCS Update wrote:
Liberty hasn't beaten anyone.
1. Liberty is the lone blemish on #20 Lafayette's near-perfect record.
2. Liberty recently defeated the out-of-nowhere-hot Chuck South, winners of four of their last six.
3. Just about every game Liberty is "supposed" to win has been a blowout victory.
What else does Liberty have to do? We just went through this debate over Boise, and now we have to do it again with Liberty? This is absolutely NUTS!!!
You made my point for me....thank you...kalm wrote:You can't prove, you also cant prove that the caa is better than the bsc this year either, but that doesn't mean it's not a reasonable assumption.Col Hogan wrote:
I keep hearing this...stated as fact...
As I said, the truth can be proven....I'm waiting for the proof...
Otherwise, it's opinion...and as the man said, like an ass hole, everyone has an opinion...
How have D2's done in their transition year against non schollies?does San diego play any western d2's?
God, please let Liberty in. And please let them play ASU in the first round.ToTheLeft wrote:If you go by GPI, they've beaten a better opponent (Lafayette) than anyone App or UNI have beaten.FCS Update wrote:
Liberty hasn't beaten anyone.
I would figure someone putting together "FCS Update" would do some research. Lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. I'm not saying that LU belongs in, but not having them in the discussion with a weaksauce reason like that? No bueno.
I guess it's better to have Armanti Edwards and lose to McNeese, or have a big UNI-dome but lose to every good team we play, rather than go on the road and beat a team that is a game away from winning the Patriot League, and undefeated aside from our victory over them...
Stop being a homer. I am presenting facts. I've done my research. I've even talked to people in the know. Liberty just won't make it this year. It's not like I have a personal vendetta against the Flames.ToTheLeft wrote:If you go by GPI, they've beaten a better opponent (Lafayette) than anyone App or UNI have beaten.FCS Update wrote:
Liberty hasn't beaten anyone.
I would figure someone putting together "FCS Update" would do some research. Lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. I'm not saying that LU belongs in, but not having them in the discussion with a weaksauce reason like that? No bueno.
I guess it's better to have Armanti Edwards and lose to McNeese, or have a big UNI-dome but lose to every good team we play, rather than go on the road and beat a team that is a game away from winning the Patriot League, and undefeated aside from our victory over them...
It reminds me of San Diego when Jim Harbaugh wouldn't shut his mouth. Everyone was begging for them to get in and get sent to Montana or Northern Iowa.mountain_man wrote:God, please let Liberty in. And please let them play ASU in the first round.ToTheLeft wrote:
If you go by GPI, they've beaten a better opponent (Lafayette) than anyone App or UNI have beaten.
I would figure someone putting together "FCS Update" would do some research. Lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. I'm not saying that LU belongs in, but not having them in the discussion with a weaksauce reason like that? No bueno.
I guess it's better to have Armanti Edwards and lose to McNeese, or have a big UNI-dome but lose to every good team we play, rather than go on the road and beat a team that is a game away from winning the Patriot League, and undefeated aside from our victory over them...
AMEN!
Had you been "in the know", you'd know the bolded portion is bogus and doesn't apply to the Big South. And even still, we wouldn't have money and history, and JMU is "down" despite being top 20 in the GPI. So why would we make it over a team with AE and "the Rock", or a team with a big Dome?FCS Update wrote:Stop being a homer. I am presenting facts. I've done my research. I've even talked to people in the know. Liberty just won't make it this year. It's not like I have a personal vendetta against the Flames.ToTheLeft wrote:
If you go by GPI, they've beaten a better opponent (Lafayette) than anyone App or UNI have beaten.
I would figure someone putting together "FCS Update" would do some research. Lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. I'm not saying that LU belongs in, but not having them in the discussion with a weaksauce reason like that? No bueno.
I guess it's better to have Armanti Edwards and lose to McNeese, or have a big UNI-dome but lose to every good team we play, rather than go on the road and beat a team that is a game away from winning the Patriot League, and undefeated aside from our victory over them...
You lost your playoff bid against James Madison. Had you won that game you would've had 2 wins over autobid leagues and been Top 16 in the GPI.
Like it or not, the NCAA likes names with history and money. Those are 2 things UNI and App State have. Both teams are more highly regarded than Liberty in polls and computer rankings.
So if you want me to lie to you, just to make you feel better, go read someone elses blog. If you want the opinion of a 20 year fan of FCS football who is laying out the facts as he sees them, that would be me.
I'm not politically correct, and I'm not going to give the non-autobid conferences cookies and juice boxes.
How is the bolded part bogus? you would've had 2 wins over autobid leagues and been Top 16 GPI.ToTheLeft wrote:Had you been "in the know", you'd know the bolded portion is bogus and doesn't apply to the Big South. And even still, we wouldn't have money and history, and JMU is "down" despite being top 20 in the GPI. So why would we make it over a team with AE and "the Rock", or a team with a big Dome?FCS Update wrote:
Stop being a homer. I am presenting facts. I've done my research. I've even talked to people in the know. Liberty just won't make it this year. It's not like I have a personal vendetta against the Flames.
You lost your playoff bid against James Madison. Had you won that game you would've had 2 wins over autobid leagues and been Top 16 in the GPI.
Like it or not, the NCAA likes names with history and money. Those are 2 things UNI and App State have. Both teams are more highly regarded than Liberty in polls and computer rankings.
So if you want me to lie to you, just to make you feel better, go read someone elses blog. If you want the opinion of a 20 year fan of FCS football who is laying out the facts as he sees them, that would be me.
I'm not politically correct, and I'm not going to give the non-autobid conferences cookies and juice boxes.
For all the crying that people do about the BCS, at least they involve teams from lower conferences if they earn the right. LU has done just as good this year as UNI and App in terms of resume, and based on resume we would be out SFA for a bid, as well. It's good to see, however, that money and tradition are the real factor here.
But whatever, we're out. Fine. Whoever it is that you have "in the know" is much more right than anyone can fathom. Next year can't come soon enough, so everyone can hate on LU because they're in and "don't belong there"... Man I'll love that.
Check the CAA standings. JMU is tied for 8th with Hofstra, Hofstra won head to head. JMU is 9th.ToTheLeft wrote:Also, it's cute how you can twist facts to make the 18th best team in the country into "The 9th best team in the CAA"
What does that make Delaware, then, a team that you have as one of the last teams out? They lost to that same 9th place team, and their best win is over the 6th place team in that same conference. Get a freakin' clue. You're biased, you're not really "doing research", and your predictions are a crock.
Hey, no one had any problems with Coast Carolina...ToTheLeft wrote:I forgot, this is a mega-conference circle jerk.
Carry on.
App State has losses to FBS ECU, and a loss at home to McNeese. Armanti wasn't anywhere near recovered yet, and I think we've seen that with the run they've gone on.WrenFGun wrote:The Liberty bashing makes about as much sense as the UNH hatred on most FCS sites, despite the fact that they'll have the best resume in FCS if they beat W&M this week.
None of Northern Iowa, App. State or Elon have beaten a team as good as Liberty has, by the same computer numbers that you seem to note as reasons why Liberty is a lock not to make the playoffs. They have pretty much the same schedule breakdown of App. State who has a loss WORSE than Liberty's this year, AT HOME, and still, App. State is a lock, win or lose over Elon, and a LOCK For a seed, apparently, if they win out.
Liberty has no playoff history but there's nothing about their resume that shouldn't have them sitting SQUARELY on the bubble come selection time. If EWU and UD don't get to 8-3, I think Liberty is next in line, ahead of FAMU for sure.