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Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby dbackjon » Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:48 am

Bottom 8 teams fight for two berths in Semis. Top seeds Butler and Milwaukee have byes to Semis

First rounds at higher seeds

Ill. Chicago 7-23 (Conf: 2-16) 7:00pm
Cleveland St. 24-7 (Conf: 13-5) ET
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Wis. Green Bay 14-17 (Conf: 8-10) 7:00pm
Wright St. 18-13 (Conf: 10-8) ET
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Ervin J. Nutter Center (Dayton, OH)



Loyola Chicago 16-14 (Conf: 7-11) 7:00pm
Detroit 16-15 (Conf: 10-8) ET
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Calihan Hall (Detroit, MI)


Youngstown St. 9-20 (Conf: 2-16) 8:00pm
Valparaiso 21-10 (Conf: 12-6) ET
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Athletics-Recreation Center (Valparaiso, IN)
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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby TwinTownBisonFan » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:51 pm

at the half

Green Bay up 24-23 over Wright St
Detroit up 36-27 over Loyola
Cleveland St still in the first half - already up 18 points 38-20 over UIC
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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby dbackjon » Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:14 pm

Detroit over Loyola
Cleveland over Chicago
Wright State over Green Bay
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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby Arenafanatic » Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:21 pm

Looks like everything went as planned for my predictions.

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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby clenz » Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:26 pm

Wait...you guys don't play neutral site?

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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby Arenafanatic » Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:30 pm

First round to the home highest seed.

After that there played at the #1 seed.

Then final game will be at Milwaukee unless they lose then its at the highest seed thats left.

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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby clenz » Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:38 pm

That's damn stupid to be honest.

Why not go all neutral court? It would have to save money on travel, and would probably draw more fans as they wouldn't have to travel all over the place last second notice. I love the fact that the MVC is in St Louis and has been and will be. It's a great vacation full of basketball in a great city.

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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby TwinTownBisonFan » Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:56 pm

clenz wrote:That's damn stupid to be honest.

Why not go all neutral court? It would have to save money on travel, and would probably draw more fans as they wouldn't have to travel all over the place last second notice. I love the fact that the MVC is in St Louis and has been and will be. It's a great vacation full of basketball in a great city.


three reasons - 1. it adds incentive in the regular season... getting to host the opening round is a huge incentive.

2. it's easier when the tournament has some hype - arch madness is a bigger deal - but you should see the attendance in Sioux Falls for the Summit tournament... pathetic (unless NDSU or SDSU starts to make a run)

3. renting a large arena that you can't fill in a distant city during the school week, for school with smallish (or at least not inclined to travel) fan bases (except Butler) doesn't make sense once you've reached the semis... there is more incentive for fans to travel - less time to have to rent the arena - and less travel costs for the schools overall (home games for the hosts are cheaper than traveling to the the neutral site, so if nothing else, it likely balances out)
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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby dbackjon » Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:59 pm

Valpo takes out Youngstown
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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby dbackjon » Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:01 pm

Remaining games ALL in Milwaukee:

Friday:

Wright State vs Cleveland State
Detroit vs Valpo

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CSU/WSU winner vs Butler
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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby clenz » Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:03 pm

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
clenz wrote:That's damn stupid to be honest.

Why not go all neutral court? It would have to save money on travel, and would probably draw more fans as they wouldn't have to travel all over the place last second notice. I love the fact that the MVC is in St Louis and has been and will be. It's a great vacation full of basketball in a great city.


three reasons - 1. it adds incentive in the regular season... getting to host the opening round is a huge incentive.

2. it's easier when the tournament has some hype - arch madness is a bigger deal - but you should see the attendance in Sioux Falls for the Summit tournament... pathetic (unless NDSU or SDSU starts to make a run)

3. renting a large arena that you can't fill in a distant city during the school week, for school with smallish (or at least not inclined to travel) fan bases (except Butler) doesn't make sense once you've reached the semis... there is more incentive for fans to travel - less time to have to rent the arena - and less travel costs for the schools overall (home games for the hosts are cheaper than traveling to the the neutral site, so if nothing else, it likely balances out)
I guess but i didn't think the MVC was "that much bigger" than the other mid-major conferences. However, I would bet the total attendance for the weekend will probably exceed 50,000 for the seventh consecutive year.

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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby TwinTownBisonFan » Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:07 pm

clenz wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
three reasons - 1. it adds incentive in the regular season... getting to host the opening round is a huge incentive.

2. it's easier when the tournament has some hype - arch madness is a bigger deal - but you should see the attendance in Sioux Falls for the Summit tournament... pathetic (unless NDSU or SDSU starts to make a run)

3. renting a large arena that you can't fill in a distant city during the school week, for school with smallish (or at least not inclined to travel) fan bases (except Butler) doesn't make sense once you've reached the semis... there is more incentive for fans to travel - less time to have to rent the arena - and less travel costs for the schools overall (home games for the hosts are cheaper than traveling to the the neutral site, so if nothing else, it likely balances out)
I guess but i didn't think the MVC was "that much bigger" than the other mid-major conferences. However, I would bet the total attendance for the weekend will probably exceed 50,000 for the seventh consecutive year.


well - a couple things... the success of the MVC in the ncaa tournament has a lot to do with it...

the mvc does a great job of marketing "arch madness" as a real destination event.

the fans are all pretty close to st. louis... (plus many mvc schools have significant alumni bases in st. louis)

and they put the tourney on over the first weekend of mini madness and make teams play back-to-back-to-back which makes it great for the fans
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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby DJH » Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:10 pm

clenz wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
three reasons - 1. it adds incentive in the regular season... getting to host the opening round is a huge incentive.

2. it's easier when the tournament has some hype - arch madness is a bigger deal - but you should see the attendance in Sioux Falls for the Summit tournament... pathetic (unless NDSU or SDSU starts to make a run)

3. renting a large arena that you can't fill in a distant city during the school week, for school with smallish (or at least not inclined to travel) fan bases (except Butler) doesn't make sense once you've reached the semis... there is more incentive for fans to travel - less time to have to rent the arena - and less travel costs for the schools overall (home games for the hosts are cheaper than traveling to the the neutral site, so if nothing else, it likely balances out)
I guess but i didn't think the MVC was "that much bigger" than the other mid-major conferences. However, I would bet the total attendance for the weekend will probably exceed 50,000 for the seventh consecutive year.


The MVC tournament is, and has been one of the the best and most successful conference tournaments in the country for a long time.

The smaller conferences have to have their tournaments at home sites to ensure that people show up. As was said before, with the smaller fan bases in those smaller conferences, people will not go to a neutral site and it would just end up costing the conferences a ton of money.
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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby Arenafanatic » Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:42 pm

The fact that the Horizon league conference championship is at the the highest remaining seed, to have a big attendance. If it was a neutral site im not sure how well it would go. The HL as a whole doesnt travel well.

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Re: Horizon Conference Hoops Tourney

Postby SDHornet » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:16 am

DJH wrote:
clenz wrote:I guess but i didn't think the MVC was "that much bigger" than the other mid-major conferences. However, I would bet the total attendance for the weekend will probably exceed 50,000 for the seventh consecutive year.


The MVC tournament is, and has been one of the the best and most successful conference tournaments in the country for a long time.

The smaller conferences have to have their tournaments at home sites to ensure that people show up. As was said before, with the smaller fan bases in those smaller conferences, people will not go to a neutral site and it would just end up costing the conferences a ton of money.

The BSC does the higher seed hosts option too. I would prefer a neutral court approach as I have heard ESPN can't televise the games when not informed in advance about where the games will be. Plus a place like Salt Lake City would be fairly centered for most of the BSC schools that participate in the tournament. :twocents:

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Postby tampajag » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:06 am

clenz wrote:
That's damn stupid to be honest.

Why not go all neutral court? It would have to save money on travel, and would probably draw more fans as they wouldn't have to travel all over the place last second notice. I love the fact that the MVC is in St Louis and has been and will be. It's a great vacation full of basketball in a great city.


three reasons - 1. it adds incentive in the regular season... getting to host the opening round is a huge incentive.

2. it's easier when the tournament has some hype - arch madness is a bigger deal - but you should see the attendance in Sioux Falls for the Summit tournament... pathetic (unless NDSU or SDSU starts to make a run)

3. renting a large arena that you can't fill in a distant city during the school week, for school with smallish (or at least not inclined to travel) fan bases (except Butler) doesn't make sense once you've reached the semis... there is more incentive for fans to travel - less time to have to rent the arena - and less travel costs for the schools overall (home games for the hosts are cheaper than traveling to the the neutral site, so if nothing else, it likely balances out)

You just described the issues the SWAC has with it's tourney.
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