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Who will be the NFL ROY?

Andrew Luck
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Robert Griffin III
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Other
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Fire Andy Reid
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BTW, if we're talking about ROY, the winner is on the Skins, but it's not RGIII.

Rushing yards by a rookie:
1. Eric Dickerson (1983, 1,808)
2. George Rogers (1981, 1,674)
3. Alfred Morris (2012, 1,613)


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89Hen wrote:BTW, if we're talking about ROY, the winner is on the Skins, but it's not RGIII.

Rushing yards by a rookie:
1. Eric Dickerson (1983, 1,808)
2. George Rogers (1981, 1,674)
3. Alfred Morris (2012, 1,613)


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If you're basing it strictly on one number, Luck already smashed the record for passing yards by a rookie. :coffee:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
89Hen wrote:BTW, if we're talking about ROY, the winner is on the Skins, but it's not RGIII.

Rushing yards by a rookie:
1. Eric Dickerson (1983, 1,808)
2. George Rogers (1981, 1,674)
3. Alfred Morris (2012, 1,613)


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If you're basing it strictly on one number, Luck already smashed the record for passing yards by a rookie. :coffee:
Russell Wilson posted the highest differential between TDs and INTs for rookie QBs in NFL history at +16. He also tied Peyton Manning's rookie passing TD record (26), and could've broken it, but chose not to. :coffee:
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Grizalltheway wrote:If you're basing it strictly on one number, Luck already smashed the record for passing yards by a rookie. :coffee:
Interestingly enough, Luck's passing and Morris' rushing totals put them both 48th best single season all-time, however, Luck was #7 in the NFL just this year while Morris was #2. Climbing the rushing ladder is MUCH harder than the passing one. Only four of the top 20 season passing yards were before 2000 (9 of the 20 were last year or this year). 12 of top 20 rushing totals were pre-2000 and four of them were pre-1980.
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89Hen wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:If you're basing it strictly on one number, Luck already smashed the record for passing yards by a rookie. :coffee:
Interestingly enough, Luck's passing and Morris' rushing totals put them both 48th best single season all-time, however, Luck was #7 in the NFL just this year while Morris was #2. Climbing the rushing ladder is MUCH harder than the passing one. Only four of the top 20 season passing yards were before 2000 (9 of the 20 were last year or this year). 12 of top 20 rushing totals were pre-2000 and four of them were pre-1980.
Morris got a lot of yards because of RG III, and in the end, that also helped RG III.
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Gil Dobie wrote:Morris got a lot of yards because of RG III, and in the end, that also helped RG III.
How many times did you see him play? QB play always helps the running game, but Morris got a lot of yards because of Morris. I would want him on my team. :nod:
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89Hen wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:Morris got a lot of yards because of RG III, and in the end, that also helped RG III.
How many times did you see him play? QB play always helps the running game, but Morris got a lot of yards because of Morris. I would want him on my team. :nod:
Defensive are we. It doesn't take anything away from either being team-mates. A good runningback helps a good QB, and a good QB helps a good runningback.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
89Hen wrote: How many times did you see him play? QB play always helps the running game, but Morris got a lot of yards because of Morris. I would want him on my team. :nod:
Defensive are we. It doesn't take anything away from either being team-mates. A good runningback helps a good QB, and a good QB helps a good runningback.
So where is Luck's RB he helped? ;)

BTW, not defensive, I just feel bad for Morris as he's gotten lost in the discussion this year. I've watched a lot of Redskins games this year and he is an absolute stud. Runs unbelievably hard. I don't think his production this year was a fluke.
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89Hen wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
Defensive are we. It doesn't take anything away from either being team-mates. A good runningback helps a good QB, and a good QB helps a good runningback.
So where is Luck's RB he helped? ;)

BTW, not defensive, I just feel bad for Morris as he's gotten lost in the discussion this year. I've watched a lot of Redskins games this year and he is an absolute stud. Runs unbelievably hard. I don't think his production this year was a fluke.
I don't think he is a fluke either, but the NFL is a QB league today, so they get most of the press and credit.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
89Hen wrote: So where is Luck's RB he helped? ;)

BTW, not defensive, I just feel bad for Morris as he's gotten lost in the discussion this year. I've watched a lot of Redskins games this year and he is an absolute stud. Runs unbelievably hard. I don't think his production this year was a fluke.
I don't think he is a fluke either, but the NFL is a QB league today, so they get most of the press and credit.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:RGIII, and it ain't close.
Really? Only one of them is one ESPN's MVP watch list, and it ain't him.
Is that person Russell Wilson the modern day version of Marlin Briscoe who tied Peyton Manning's rookie mark for td passes???
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Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
If you're basing it strictly on one number, Luck already smashed the record for passing yards by a rookie. :coffee:
Russell Wilson posted the highest differential between TDs and INTs for rookie QBs in NFL history at +16. He also tied Peyton Manning's rookie passing TD record (26), and could've broken it, but chose not to. :coffee:
What held him back from making history???
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dal4018 wrote:
Screamin_Eagle174 wrote: Russell Wilson posted the highest differential between TDs and INTs for rookie QBs in NFL history at +16. He also tied Peyton Manning's rookie passing TD record (26), and could've broken it, but chose not to. :coffee:
What held him back from making history???
RW puts the team first. All he cared about was getting into the endzone, so he ran it.
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Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
dal4018 wrote:What held him back from making history???
RW puts the team first. All he cared about was getting into the endzone, so he ran it.
Okay thanks a team first mentality.Sorry but when you as a black QB have chance to make history you go for it.Just like Cam did.
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dal4018 wrote:
Screamin_Eagle174 wrote: RW puts the team first. All he cared about was getting into the endzone, so he ran it.
Okay thanks a team first mentality.Sorry but when you as a black QB have chance to make history you go for it.Just like Cam did.
So it is a race thing?
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dal4018 wrote:Okay thanks a team first mentality.Sorry but when you as a black QB have chance to make history you go for it.Just like Cam did.
So it is a race thing?
You didn't know that only blacks are selfish?

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You didn't know that only blacks are selfish?

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Russell Wilson:

15-26 for 187 1 TD ) Int's 92.9 QB rating
7 rushes for 68 yards

Not bad for rookie debuting in his first playoff game against a good defense. Clearly the best performance of the three. 8-)
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kalm wrote:against a good defense
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:against a good defense
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Well I think they were the #5 rush D
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: :?
Well I think they were the #5 rush D
You're talking about the total D 28th ranked Redskins? :lol: Nice try.
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
Well I think they were the #5 rush D
You're talking about the total D 28th ranked Redskins? :lol: Nice try.
Their D was much improved in the final stretch of the regular season.
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kalm wrote:Russell Wilson:

15-26 for 187 1 TD ) Int's 92.9 QB rating
7 rushes for 68 yards

Not bad for rookie debuting in his first playoff game against a good defense. Clearly the best performance of the three. 8-)
Good defense? It was painful watching this season without Okafor and Karraker. There was ZERO pass rush yesterday.
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andy7171 wrote:
kalm wrote:Russell Wilson:

15-26 for 187 1 TD ) Int's 92.9 QB rating
7 rushes for 68 yards

Not bad for rookie debuting in his first playoff game against a good defense. Clearly the best performance of the three. 8-)
Good defense? It was painful watching this season without Okafor and Karraker. There was ZERO pass rush yesterday.
Huh? Wilson was hurried/had to scramble on a number of occasions.
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