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SeattleGriz wrote:
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SG don't know what the fvck he's talking about. Whole disciplines of science (Genetics, Zoology, Biology, Microbiology) and industry (agriculture, pharmaceutical, animal breeding) have their foundations on evolution.

Jesus Fvcking Christ.... :|
The problem D1B, is that I know too much. I have a degree in Microbiology. A large part in why I am not big on evolution is that many of my professors had to gloss over any serious questions about evolution and asked us to just believe...with faith that evolution was airtight.
Stand back folks! He has a degree in Microbiology and he ain't afraid to use it. :lol:

SG, since you know too much how about coaching us up on a couple of things:

1) How come so many Nobel laureates are big on evolution?

2) How does your position that evolution is a weak theory have anything at all to do with Creationism?

3) Just what is the thory of creationism anyway? I've heard a lot about creationism but never once have I heard the theory formally stated, would you do that for us, please?

Frankly, SG, you should be embarassed. How does a person that earned a degree in Microbiology reach the conclusion that weak spots in the theory of evolution are somehow "proof" of "creationism"? If you ask me, weak spots in the theory of evolution are proof that the Earth was settled long ago by beings from another planet.

And while we're at it you may have noticed that we now are aware of a couple of hundred other planets out ther, with more being discovered every week. In fact, it now appears that in single-star systems planets are the rule rather than the exception. Jesus gonna have some splainin' to do when we start finding some of those other planets are inhabited.
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clenz wrote:You don't have to be careful or sorry. I was a douchebag and didn't get it taken care of sooner. I am well on my way to being able to function. Hopefully I can pull by B's up to A's next year. I'm just hopeful due to the fact I can skip classes for a month and pull B's. I am the same person I was a year ago, except more logical in my thinking, and much less hypersensitive to everything. I couldn't have had this conversation a month ago. It would have looked like one of Cap'n's and D1's conversations with Z and T. :lol:
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clenz wrote:
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We are pricks aint we? You love us though,..,. :lol:
I would love you more if you didn't puss out during the UNI spring game, ****. I met Cap'n and Rob but you pulled some bullshit excuse. Even Cap'n told us it was bullshit.
Don't feel bad....he pussed out at the Griz Challenge....he is consistent at least....
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Seeking a Missing Link, and a Mass Audience

It is science for the Mediacene age.

On Tuesday morning, researchers will unveil a 47-million-year-old fossil they say could revolutionize the understanding of human evolution at a ceremony at the American Museum of Natural History.

But the event, which will coincide with the publishing of a peer-reviewed article about the find, is the first stop in a coordinated, branded media event, orchestrated by the scientists and the History Channel, including a film detailing the secretive two-year study of the fossil, a book release, an exclusive arrangement with ABC News and an elaborate Web site.

“Any pop band is doing the same thing,” said Jorn H. Hurum, a scientist at the University of Oslo who acquired the fossil and assembled the team of scientists that studied it. “Any athlete is doing the same thing. We have to start thinking the same way in science.”

The specimen, designated Darwinius masillae, is of a monkeylike creature that is remarkably intact: even the contents of its stomach are preserved. The fossil was bought two years ago in Germany by the University of Oslo, and a team of scientists began work on their research. Some of the top paleontologists in the world were involved in the project, and it impressed the chief scientist at the Natural History museum enough to allow the press conference.

“We would not go forward with this, even in a hosting capacity, unless we had a sense of the scientific importance,” said Michael J. Novacek, the provost of science at the museum.

But despite a television teaser campaign with the slogan “This changes everything” and comparisons to the moon landing and the Kennedy assassination, the significance of this discovery may not be known for years. An article to be published on Tuesday in PLoS ONE, a scientific journal, will report more prosaically that the scientists involved said the fossil could be a “stem group” that was a precursor to higher primates, with the caveat, “but we are not advocating this.”

All of this seems a departure from the normal turn of events, where researchers study their subject and publish their findings, and let the media chips fall where they may. But this campaign is only the latest example of the scientific media blockbuster, of which the National Geographic Society has become perhaps the most successful practitioner. It often gives grants to researchers, with National Geographic gaining the rights to produce television shows and magazine articles related to any discoveries.

And these kinds of publicity campaigns can backfire. In 2007, for example, the Discovery Channel ran a documentary called “The Lost Tomb of Jesus,” which had its share of detractors in the academic community.

Executives of A&E, which operates the History Channel, said they were mindful of that example, and were satisfied that the science behind the fossil discovery was solid. The media facets to the project began to coalesce last summer, when an A&E executive met in London with Anthony Geffen, a filmmaker and the chief executive of Atlantic Productions, who had been secretly working on the film with Mr. Hurum.

“I made the decision pretty close to on the spot,” said Abbe Raven, the chief executive of A&E Television Networks, which owns the History Channel. “Unearthing a piece of history like this is unbelievable. To do it on television is incredible.”

For almost a year, within the halls of A&E it was simply called “Project Y.” The company bought 51 percent of the film, giving it editorial control and the right to show the world premiere. (The film, a two-hour documentary, will be shown on Memorial Day on the History Channel.)

The BBC in Britain and ZDF, the German broadcaster, will show the film after the History Channel does. (A&E would not say what it paid for the film, but said it was the highest it had paid for a single documentary.)

A&E also took the project to the Natural History museum to arrange a big press conference, to be attended by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg.

A&E executives also approached the ABC News president, David Westin, and brokered a deal for exclusive access to “Good Morning America” (Wednesday morning the fossil will be in the studio), “Nightline” and “World News”; they helped line up a publisher for a book, which like the film is called “The Link,” being published by Little, Brown. The publisher shipped 110,000 copies, and sellers signed confidentiality agreements promising not to open the cartons before the publication date.

“It’s the most newsworthy and noteworthy special we’ve been a part of,” said Nancy Dubuc, the general manager of the History Channel. “We made a commitment early on to get behind it in a big way: to see it through peer review, and see that it is the media event it should be.”

The project had its origins in December 2006 at a mineral and fossil fair in Hamburg, Germany, where Mr. Hurum ran into a private dealer who, over fruity vodka drinks with umbrellas, showed him an image of the fossil, which had been found in a pit in Germany and lain in a collector’s drawer for about 25 years.

“It was incredible,” he said. “I could not sleep for two nights, just thinking about this specimen.”

Mr. Hurum then assembled what he described as a dream team of experts to study the fossil: B. Holly Smith, a dental anthropologist at the University of Michigan; Jens Franzen, a German fossil expert; and Philip D. Gingerich, the leading American primate specialist, also from the University of Michigan.

“I sometimes felt like a banjo player jamming with Pink Floyd,” Mr. Hurum said.

Most parties involved were required to sign nondisclosure agreements, including the two companies that the History Channel approached to advertise during the film. One of those, GMAC, signed on to publicize its rebranding as Ally Bank, though executives were not fully told what the subject of the film was.

Despite precautions, the 47-million-year-old secret broke early when The Wall Street Journal published a short piece about the find. The source proved to be Mr. Gingerich, who did not realize he was speaking on the record.

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The problem D1B, is that I know too much. I have a degree in Microbiology. A large part in why I am not big on evolution is that many of my professors had to gloss over any serious questions about evolution and asked us to just believe...with faith that evolution was airtight.
Stand back folks! He has a degree in Microbiology and he ain't afraid to use it. :lol:

SG, since you know too much how about coaching us up on a couple of things:

1) How come so many Nobel laureates are big on evolution?

2) How does your position that evolution is a weak theory have anything at all to do with Creationism?

3) Just what is the thory of creationism anyway? I've heard a lot about creationism but never once have I heard the theory formally stated, would you do that for us, please?

Frankly, SG, you should be embarassed. How does a person that earned a degree in Microbiology reach the conclusion that weak spots in the theory of evolution are somehow "proof" of "creationism"? If you ask me, weak spots in the theory of evolution are proof that the Earth was settled long ago by beings from another planet.

And while we're at it you may have noticed that we now are aware of a couple of hundred other planets out ther, with more being discovered every week. In fact, it now appears that in single-star systems planets are the rule rather than the exception. Jesus gonna have some splainin' to do when we start finding some of those other planets are inhabited.
Another stellar post by someone way smarter than I . Thanks dawg!! :mrgreen: :geek:
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houndawg wrote:
Stand back folks! He has a degree in Microbiology and he ain't afraid to use it. :lol:

SG, since you know too much how about coaching us up on a couple of things:

1) How come so many Nobel laureates are big on evolution?

2) How does your position that evolution is a weak theory have anything at all to do with Creationism?

3) Just what is the thory of creationism anyway? I've heard a lot about creationism but never once have I heard the theory formally stated, would you do that for us, please?

Frankly, SG, you should be embarassed. How does a person that earned a degree in Microbiology reach the conclusion that weak spots in the theory of evolution are somehow "proof" of "creationism"? If you ask me, weak spots in the theory of evolution are proof that the Earth was settled long ago by beings from another planet.

And while we're at it you may have noticed that we now are aware of a couple of hundred other planets out ther, with more being discovered every week. In fact, it now appears that in single-star systems planets are the rule rather than the exception. Jesus gonna have some splainin' to do when we start finding some of those other planets are inhabited.
Another stellar post by someone way smarter than I . Thanks dawg!! :mrgreen: :geek:
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grizzaholic wrote:Holy shit. This thread blew up after I left.
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clenz wrote:
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We are pricks aint we? You love us though,..,. :lol:
I would love you more if you didn't puss out during the UNI spring game, fucker. I met Cap'n and Rob but you pulled some bullshit excuse. Even Cap'n told us it was bullshit.
Cap'n is full of shit. He flip flopped and backed out on Friday. Didn't tell me, I heard it from Rob, so I made plans to golf. Then he flip flopped and was back in, by that time it was too late.
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clenz wrote: I would love you more if you didn't puss out during the UNI spring game, ****. I met Cap'n and Rob but you pulled some bullshit excuse. Even Cap'n told us it was bullshit.
Cap'n is full of ****. He flip flopped and backed out on Friday. Didn't tell me, I heard it from Rob, so I made plans to golf. Then he flip flopped and was back in, by that time it was too late.
...and the story on the Griz Challenge? :|
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SG, since you know too much how about coaching us up on a couple of things:

1) How come so many Nobel laureates are big on evolution?

2) How does your position that evolution is a weak theory have anything at all to do with Creationism?

3) Just what is the thory of creationism anyway? I've heard a lot about creationism but never once have I heard the theory formally stated, would you do that for us, please?

Frankly, SG, you should be embarassed. How does a person that earned a degree in Microbiology reach the conclusion that weak spots in the theory of evolution are somehow "proof" of "creationism"? If you ask me, weak spots in the theory of evolution are proof that the Earth was settled long ago by beings from another planet.

And while we're at it you may have noticed that we now are aware of a couple of hundred other planets out ther, with more being discovered every week. In fact, it now appears that in single-star systems planets are the rule rather than the exception. Jesus gonna have some splainin' to do when we start finding some of those other planets are inhabited.
1) Because there have been many more scientists over the years that have tried to prove Evolution. It has only been recently that the Creationism crowd has been able to point out the shortcomings in evolution effectively by using science itself. Also, I have always been able to admit that creationism is not a popular idea amongst the science community.

2) Due to the basic rule as to when a theory becomes a law. It must stand up to the scrutiny of everyone and be able to defend itself. If it can't, like evolution, then it cannot become a law. So, as I have stated before, the only way creationism can help to prove itself, is to point out the problems with evolution.

3) Well, since I am not a creationist, more of an intelligent design person, I can only give it a best guess. Creationists believe that God is the creator and God created everything.

I have no reason to be embarrassed about my stance. There are many a PhD who are believers in intelligent design because they see the problems with Evolution. As to your stance on aliens, well, that could be intelligent design you know. Holee crap, you're a heretic too! Welcome to the club freaky!

Jesus would have no explaining to do. If the late Billy Graham can say that he believes there is life on other planets, why can't others who believe in Christ? I am sure there is life elsewhere.

As I have said, serious discussion comes at levels much higher than I am capable. I can talk generalities, but the proof that serious researchers require is above my head. That is why I wanted JMU DJ to read the article on the odds of life just "sparking" itself, so I could get his thoughts on the article. Is what the author said, true, or is it stretching the truth.

You see, unlike you, I am willing to test my beliefs by asking those that know more than I do, and reevaluate those beliefs if needed.
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SeattleGriz wrote:If the late Billy Graham can say that he believes there is life on other planets, why can't others who believe in Christ?
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SeattleGriz wrote:If the late Billy Graham can say that he believes there is life on other planets, why can't others who believe in Christ?
He's still alive and kicking down the road from Asheville App and myself.....don't write him off just yet....
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He's still alive and kicking down the road from Asheville App and myself.....don't write him off just yet....
You'll get those lapses from me time to time. Got a 2 year old bugging me for toast, wanting to sit on my lap and to watch Elmo.
Understood.... :lol: ;)
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clenz wrote: I would love you more if you didn't puss out during the UNI spring game, fucker. I met Cap'n and Rob but you pulled some bullshit excuse. Even Cap'n told us it was bullshit.
Cap'n is full of shit. He flip flopped and backed out on Friday. Didn't tell me, I heard it from Rob, so I made plans to golf. Then he flip flopped and was back in, by that time it was too late.
That's not what I was told. I was told you were likely taking a trip to MO.
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houndawg wrote:
SG, since you know too much how about coaching us up on a couple of things:

1) How come so many Nobel laureates are big on evolution?

2) How does your position that evolution is a weak theory have anything at all to do with Creationism?

3) Just what is the thory of creationism anyway? I've heard a lot about creationism but never once have I heard the theory formally stated, would you do that for us, please?

Frankly, SG, you should be embarassed. How does a person that earned a degree in Microbiology reach the conclusion that weak spots in the theory of evolution are somehow "proof" of "creationism"? If you ask me, weak spots in the theory of evolution are proof that the Earth was settled long ago by beings from another planet.

And while we're at it you may have noticed that we now are aware of a couple of hundred other planets out ther, with more being discovered every week. In fact, it now appears that in single-star systems planets are the rule rather than the exception. Jesus gonna have some splainin' to do when we start finding some of those other planets are inhabited.
1) Because there have been many more scientists over the years that have tried to prove Evolution. It has only been recently that the Creationism crowd has been able to point out the shortcomings in evolution effectively by using science itself. Also, I have always been able to admit that creationism is not a popular idea amongst the science community.

2) Due to the basic rule as to when a theory becomes a law. It must stand up to the scrutiny of everyone and be able to defend itself. If it can't, like evolution, then it cannot become a law. So, as I have stated before, the only way creationism can help to prove itself, is to point out the problems with evolution.

3) Well, since I am not a creationist, more of an intelligent design person, I can only give it a best guess. Creationists believe that God is the creator and God created everything.

I have no reason to be embarrassed about my stance. There are many a PhD who are believers in intelligent design because they see the problems with Evolution. As to your stance on aliens, well, that could be intelligent design you know. Holee crap, your a heretic too! Welcome to the club freaky!

Jesus would have no explaining to do. If the late Billy Graham can say that he believes there is life on other planets, why can't others who believe in Christ? I am sure there is life elsewhere.

As I have said, serious discussion comes at levels much higher than I am capable. I can talk generalities, but the proof that serious researchers require is above my head. That is why I wanted JMU DJ to read the article on the odds of life just "sparking" itself, so I could get his thoughts on the article. Is what the author said, true, or is it stretching the truth.

You see, unlike you, I am willing to test my beliefs by asking those that know more than I do, and reevaluate those beliefs if needed.
You're a religious fanatic. This has nothing to do with life "just sparking itself", that is a separate argument that evolutionists don't, can't or care to address. Just another Joltin Joe red herring..... :roll:
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You're a religious fanatic. This has nothing to do with life "just sparking itself", that is a separate argument that evolutionists don't, can't or care to address. Just another Joltin Joe red herring..... :roll:
You've got to be kidding right? Evolutionists can't prove something, so they just get to toss it aside and press on? Wow. That is a doozy. Make sure to tell the global warming crowd just how that works...oh wait, another very badly disguised attempt at liberals own religion that is already doing just that.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
D1B wrote:
You're a religious fanatic. This has nothing to do with life "just sparking itself", that is a separate argument that evolutionists don't, can't or care to address. Just another Joltin Joe red herring..... :roll:
You've got to be kidding right? Evolutionists can't prove something, so they just get to toss it aside and press on? Wow. That is a doozy. Make sure to tell the global warming crowd just how that works...oh wait, another very badly disguised attempt at liberals own religion that is already doing just that.
Fuck you SG. You are a fucking dumbass and embarrassment to science.

Where T F did you get a microbiology degree? Liberty U? :lol:
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You've got to be kidding right? Evolutionists can't prove something, so they just get to toss it aside and press on? Wow. That is a doozy. Make sure to tell the global warming crowd just how that works...oh wait, another very badly disguised attempt at liberals own religion that is already doing just that.
**** you SG. You are a **** dumbass and embarrassment to science.

Where T F did you get a microbiology degree? Liberty U? :lol:
Once again, another personal attack when you can't come up with anything else. And you proclaim to be some enlightened individual. At least in my life, I try to be known by my works.
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houndawg wrote:
SG, since you know too much how about coaching us up on a couple of things:

1) How come so many Nobel laureates are big on evolution?

2) How does your position that evolution is a weak theory have anything at all to do with Creationism?

3) Just what is the thory of creationism anyway? I've heard a lot about creationism but never once have I heard the theory formally stated, would you do that for us, please?

Frankly, SG, you should be embarassed. How does a person that earned a degree in Microbiology reach the conclusion that weak spots in the theory of evolution are somehow "proof" of "creationism"? If you ask me, weak spots in the theory of evolution are proof that the Earth was settled long ago by beings from another planet.

And while we're at it you may have noticed that we now are aware of a couple of hundred other planets out ther, with more being discovered every week. In fact, it now appears that in single-star systems planets are the rule rather than the exception. Jesus gonna have some splainin' to do when we start finding some of those other planets are inhabited.
1) Because there have been many more scientists over the years that have tried to prove Evolution. It has only been recently that the Creationism crowd has been able to point out the shortcomings in evolution effectively by using science itself. Also, I have always been able to admit that creationism is not a popular idea amongst the science community.

2) Due to the basic rule as to when a theory becomes a law. It must stand up to the scrutiny of everyone and be able to defend itself. If it can't, like evolution, then it cannot become a law. So, as I have stated before, the only way creationism can help to prove itself, is to point out the problems with evolution.

3) Well, since I am not a creationist, more of an intelligent design person, I can only give it a best guess. Creationists believe that God is the creator and God created everything.

I have no reason to be embarrassed about my stance. There are many a PhD who are believers in intelligent design because they see the problems with Evolution. As to your stance on aliens, well, that could be intelligent design you know. Holee crap, you're a heretic too! Welcome to the club freaky!

Jesus would have no explaining to do. If the late Billy Graham can say that he believes there is life on other planets, why can't others who believe in Christ? I am sure there is life elsewhere.

As I have said, serious discussion comes at levels much higher than I am capable. I can talk generalities, but the proof that serious researchers require is above my head. That is why I wanted JMU DJ to read the article on the odds of life just "sparking" itself, so I could get his thoughts on the article. Is what the author said, true, or is it stretching the truth.

You see, unlike you, I am willing to test my beliefs by asking those that know more than I do, and reevaluate those beliefs if needed.
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Re: Primate Fossil Could Be Key Link in Evolution

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You know, it's just soooo much easier to say God did it all. Why fight? Just believe.


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You're a religious fanatic. This has nothing to do with life "just sparking itself", that is a separate argument that evolutionists don't, can't or care to address. Just another Joltin Joe red herring..... :roll:
You've got to be kidding right? Evolutionists can't prove something, so they just get to toss it aside and press on? Wow. That is a doozy. Make sure to tell the global warming crowd just how that works...oh wait, another very badly disguised attempt at liberals own religion that is already doing just that.


My issue, aside from you being a moron ( ;) ), is the logic you are using to support intelligent design is faulty. Not wrong per se, but faulty. Just becaue something has holes in it, whether legitimate or not, does not make it wrong, just incomplete. It seems almost archaic to think that something is right because the other is not completely correct. Intelligent design, which i now know you believe in, is actually something I believe in too, but that does not discount evolution at all. Intelligence could have designed the big bang, it also could have designed the earth to evolve, the two aren't necessarily independent. Hell even if it was intelligence by aliens to cross us with themselves, we still have grossly evolved from that given point. Anyway, this thread is a hoot, so if you wanna find a creationist so we can all bash him/her for their idocy, I'm down. :lol: :lol:
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D1B wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:
1) Because there have been many more scientists over the years that have tried to prove Evolution. It has only been recently that the Creationism crowd has been able to point out the shortcomings in evolution effectively by using science itself. Also, I have always been able to admit that creationism is not a popular idea amongst the science community.

2) Due to the basic rule as to when a theory becomes a law. It must stand up to the scrutiny of everyone and be able to defend itself. If it can't, like evolution, then it cannot become a law. So, as I have stated before, the only way creationism can help to prove itself, is to point out the problems with evolution.

3) Well, since I am not a creationist, more of an intelligent design person, I can only give it a best guess. Creationists believe that God is the creator and God created everything.

I have no reason to be embarrassed about my stance. There are many a PhD who are believers in intelligent design because they see the problems with Evolution. As to your stance on aliens, well, that could be intelligent design you know. Holee crap, you're a heretic too! Welcome to the club freaky!

Jesus would have no explaining to do. If the late Billy Graham can say that he believes there is life on other planets, why can't others who believe in Christ? I am sure there is life elsewhere.

As I have said, serious discussion comes at levels much higher than I am capable. I can talk generalities, but the proof that serious researchers require is above my head. That is why I wanted JMU DJ to read the article on the odds of life just "sparking" itself, so I could get his thoughts on the article. Is what the author said, true, or is it stretching the truth.

You see, unlike you, I am willing to test my beliefs by asking those that know more than I do, and reevaluate those beliefs if needed.
Hey Einstein, what's the difference between ID and Creationism. Hell, answer Dawg's question and define creationism. Looks like you don't shit about evolution or creationism. :lol:

Creationism, I believe, is the whole 7 day bull shit. Adam and Eve mumbo jumbo, what have you. I am actually a believer in ID, I just don't think God one day was like "Humans, sup". I think evolution and it can coexist rather nicely actually.
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Sorry guys, but I'm with SeattleGriz on this one. Normally I'd probably be sympathetic to evolutionary biologists and ashamed of Christians who throw temper trantrums over it, but not with the way things are going now. I'm sick of people saying that denying evolution is equivalent of denying the law of gravitation (such a stupid remark shows a lack of understanding of both subjects and the scientific method). I'm sick of hearing clueless people giving evolution way way way WAY more credit for modern medicine than it deserves (nuclear physics has done more for modern medicine than evolutionary biology has). Most of all, I'm sick of how so many people go ape-s^it over putting stickers in textbooks that say "evolution is a theory, not a fact" but don't give a sh^t about the sorry state of math, physics, and computer science (you know, sciences that actually matter and make the US competitive on a global scale) education in this country. I'll bet any of you that even if scientists don't really find anything of interest with the fossil, it will still have created more headlines than any major discovery the large hadron collider will make in the future. F%^& this Darwin-worshipping nonsense.
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