Abortion Waiting Periods Are Illegal

[kalm]

Because..............SATAN!!!

Abortion is legal. How can the state deny her religious rights?

Top Missouri officials are asking that a lawsuit brought by the Satanic Temple challenging the state’s mandated 72-hour waiting period for an abortion be thrown out — but the Satanists say that’s proof they have a strong case.

The lawsuit is on behalf of a Satanic Temple member and Missouri resident using the pseudonym “Mary.”

It states that Mary, who is pregnant, went in May to Planned Parenthood with the intention of getting an abortion. She was told she had to wait 72 hours, at which point she presented a waiver from the Satanic Temple saying the waiting period violated her religious beliefs. She was still denied, prompting the lawsuit, according to Patheos.

The state currently mandates abortion providers give pregnant patients anti-abortion propaganda material on the physical characteristics of fetuses and their ability to feel pain at 22 weeks of gestation. Women must then wait 72 hours, after being given the option to see an ultrasound and hear a fetal heart beat before receiving an abortion.

This is a clear violation of the Establishment Clause which prevents the government from favoring one religion over another, or lack thereof, according to the Satanic Temple’s lawsuit.

“Women whose decision to terminate a pregnancy is informed by her deeply-held belief in Satanic principles of bodily autonomy and scientific deference should not be made to endure State-sanctioned proselytization of a conflicting religious perspective,” Greaves wrote.

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[CAA Flagship]

Greaves apparently does not believe the case will be dismissed and said Thursday the Temple is in the process of assembling expert witnesses and fundraising for the legal effort. They have already raised more than $33,000.

Who pays for the abortion?

[CID1990]

welcome to socialized medicine

if they think 72 hours is bad just wait a couple years and see what its like then

[Baldy]

Because..............SATAN!!!

Abortion is legal. How can the state deny her religious rights?

Top Missouri officials are asking that a lawsuit brought by the Satanic Temple challenging the state’s mandated 72-hour waiting period for an abortion be thrown out — but the Satanists say that’s proof they have a strong case.

The lawsuit is on behalf of a Satanic Temple member and Missouri resident using the pseudonym “Mary.”

It states that Mary, who is pregnant, went in May to Planned Parenthood with the intention of getting an abortion. She was told she had to wait 72 hours, at which point she presented a waiver from the Satanic Temple saying the waiting period violated her religious beliefs. She was still denied, prompting the lawsuit, according to Patheos.

The state currently mandates abortion providers give pregnant patients anti-abortion propaganda material on the physical characteristics of fetuses and their ability to feel pain at 22 weeks of gestation. Women must then wait 72 hours, after being given the option to see an ultrasound and hear a fetal heart beat before receiving an abortion.

This is a clear violation of the Establishment Clause which prevents the government from favoring one religion over another, or lack thereof, according to the Satanic Temple’s lawsuit.

“Women whose decision to terminate a pregnancy is informed by her deeply-held belief in Satanic principles of bodily autonomy and scientific deference should not be made to endure State-sanctioned proselytization of a conflicting religious perspective,” Greaves wrote.

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Well, owning a gun is legal as well and you still have a waiting period before you can buy one.

Welcome to the club, Satan.

[89Hen]

Because..............SATAN!!!

Abortion is legal. How can the state deny her religious rights?



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Well, owning a gun is legal as well and you still have a waiting period before you can buy one.

Welcome to the club, Satan.

Beat me to it.

[kalm]

Well, owning a gun is legal as well and you still have a waiting period before you can buy one.

Welcome to the club, Satan.

Beat me to it.

Hasn't been challenged from a religious point of view yet. You're missing the point.

Why do you hate religious freedom?

[JohnStOnge]

The obvious rebutal is that abortion is a direct, fatal attack upon another individual.

It's like saying that the Establishment Clause protects the right to engage in human sacrifice.

[kalm]

The obvious rebutal is that abortion is a direct, fatal attack upon another individual.

It's like saying that the Establishment Clause protects the right to engage in human sacrifice.

It's not a living document, John.

[Chizzang]

The obvious rebutal is that abortion is a direct, fatal attack upon another individual.

It's like saying that the Establishment Clause protects the right to engage in human sacrifice.

I really can't understand why we don't prosecute every abortion as murder... seriously
That would be HUGE step FORWARD in our society - things would be so much better in America

[grizzaholic]

Because..............SATAN!!!

Abortion is legal. How can the state deny her religious rights?



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Well, owning a gun is legal as well and you still have a waiting period before you can buy one.

Welcome to the club, Satan.

Wrong. I can walk into, for instance Cabelas, and walk out with whatever I choose in minutes...probably takes longer to walk to the checkout. I always thought you were more informed...OH, that is right. Dummies in dumb states try, and continue to succeed in fucking over the 99.999999% because of fucktards.

[grizzaholic]

The obvious rebutal is that abortion is a direct, fatal attack upon another individual.

It's like saying that the Establishment Clause protects the right to engage in human sacrifice.

If some guy/gal willingly accepts the responsibility and signs some sort of document, why can't him/her be sacrificed? It is free will, right?

[Skjellyfetti]

Well, owning a gun is legal as well and you still have a waiting period before you can buy one.

Except abortions are time sensitive.

[CID1990]

Well, owning a gun is legal as well and you still have a waiting period before you can buy one.

Except abortions are time sensitive.

I don't think 72 hours matters much in either case

[D1B]

Except abortions are time sensitive.

I don't think 72 hours matters much in either case

Of course, but you ain't pregnant. You just look like you are.

[CID1990]

I don't think 72 hours matters much in either case

Of course, but you ain't pregnant. You just look like you are.

doesnt matter. science is available to us all, Warren

[Baldy]

Well, owning a gun is legal as well and you still have a waiting period before you can buy one.

Welcome to the club, Satan.

Wrong. I can walk into, for instance Cabelas, and walk out with whatever I choose in minutes...probably takes longer to walk to the checkout. I always thought you were more informed...OH, that is right. Dummies in dumb states try, and continue to succeed in fucking over the 99.999999% because of fucktards.

You are right about one thing...I am more informed.
Gun laws, like abortion laws, vary from state to state. In some states you can walk into a Cabela's and walk out with whatever you choose. Just like in some states you can walk into an abortion provider, get an abortion, and walk right back out with an empty womb. In other states, you have waiting periods in order to purchase certain types of guns, and waiting periods before you can have an abortion. It's not really that difficult to understand.

Dummie in a dumb state - 1
Grizzaholic the fucktard - 0

[SeattleGriz]

I don't see what the problem is. She has the baby, she's just going to sacrifice it anyway.

[89Hen]

Beat me to it.

Hasn't been challenged from a religious point of view yet. You're missing the point.

Why do you hate religious freedom?

Baloney Kalm and you know it. I aint biting on that one.

[kalm]

Hasn't been challenged from a religious point of view yet. You're missing the point.

Why do you hate religious freedom?

Baloney Kalm and you know it. I aint biting on that one.

You don't have to bite. But you both did miss the point.

[D1B]

Of course, but you ain't pregnant. You just look like you are.

doesnt matter. science is available to us all, Warren

This ain't about science, Ralph Mouth.

[CID1990]

doesnt matter. science is available to us all, Warren

This ain't about science, Ralph Mouth.

Blow me, Potsie.

72 hours isn't significant in terms of gestation. Only if mom's health is in immediate danger, and then the 72 hours doesn't apply anuway.

Thank you science!

[CID1990]

Baloney Kalm and you know it. I aint biting on that one.

You don't have to bite. But you both did miss the point.

Poor klam

Sure is hard, being the smartest guy in the room...
Everybody always missing his point - it must be a lonely existence

BTW the analogy is good- it doesn't matter if the waiting period is challenged on religious or health and safety reasons- the question is two fold- whether the religious claim is based on established doctrine (if wanton killing is established satanic doctrine then let's see them argue for that- but you can't just make up your doctrine) and second whether or not the plaintiff will suffer irreparable harm, vs society's interest in health and safety (in this case, that of the fetus)

So in reality, you have actually missed the point (but we understand it's a different world inside your skull, so you'll get a pass)

[D1B]

This ain't about science, Ralph Mouth.

Blow me, Potsie.

72 hours isn't significant in terms of gestation. Only if mom's health is in immediate danger, and then the 72 hours doesn't apply anuway.

Thank you science!

It ain't about gestation, Warren Mullaney.

[CID1990]

Blow me, Potsie.

72 hours isn't significant in terms of gestation. Only if mom's health is in immediate danger, and then the 72 hours doesn't apply anuway.

Thank you science!

It ain't about gestation, Warren Mullaney.

If irreparable harm is going to be argued (which is the only course) then it will have to be, Cliff Claven.

[kalm]

You don't have to bite. But you both did miss the point.

BTW the analogy is good- it doesn't matter if the waiting period is challenged on religious or health and safety reasons- the question is two fold- whether the religious claim is based on established doctrine (if wanton killing is established satanic doctrine then let's see them argue for that- but you can't just make up your doctrine) and second whether or not the plaintiff will suffer irreparable harm, vs society's interest in health and safety (in this case, that of the fetus)

1) Like it or not, abortion is legal. "Wanton killing" is not.

2) Isn't all religion pretty much "made up doctrine"? Or does emperor Cid get to decide which religions are legit?

3) Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but it seems like state mandated proselytizing might not jive with the intent of the 1st amendment.

Constitutional rights...super important as long as it affects me or I agree with what's being said!