Pope Francis hits another HOME RUN..!!!

[93henfan]

They see me rollin'



They hatin'

[Ivytalk]

If you want to tax them, tax them on the "revenue" that is not used directly on the needy. Why would you tax the money that is supposed to be for the needy?

Uh...hello.

And, just who are these..."needy?" Why does a church get to decide who is needy? To some of those church folks, people in Africa, China, or some other third world dump, are needy people, while the people in America are not. To some others, some loony moonbat 18 year old hippie is more needy than a withered veteran on the street corner.

One thing is clear...everywhere these church folks go they are trying to convert others to their beliefs. In other words, the people they are helping are not just, "needy," they also need to find salvation. So, helping the needy is really a sales job first and foremost..recruitment for future church people. That is an advertising/hiring expense and should be taxed.

Look, we keep hearing that we have loads of people in this country that are needy. At the same time, churches are full of cash and land. Why not tax the churches (land and all) and the money the churches pull in? The government (instead of a bunch of myopic minded recruiters) can then dole out that money to help our citizens in general, instead of that money going to help a self-servingly targeted audience.

As far as non-profits in general, in the end, non-profit institutions, ALL OF THEM, try to hide as much money from the government (in other words, from we the people) as possible. There are billion s of dollars out there going towards some person's, or group of people's, pet project(s). That money should be taxed and the money should be spent on things we all agree on.

Is this a troll, Cluck? If not, it's your worst post ever.

Spend the money obtained by raping the nonprofits on "things we all agree on?" Name one such "thing."
And you've been on my shyt list ever since you backed out of the crab feast at the last minute.

[JoltinJoe]

I sense you're mellowing a bit about the Catholic Church. Of course, you've always been right about the outrageous misconduct of the clergy (although I think you've exaggerated the matter somewhat).

Pope Francis is a lot like the Jesuits I had in college: extremely smart; engaging; authorities on matters of science, economics, arts, and politics. Moreover, the Jesuits I knew were committed to education and activism, and saw the mission of the Church as one rooted in social justice.

A theology professor I had, Fr. John Baldovin, use to say all the time, "I like John Paul II, don't get me wrong, but just wait until there is a Jesuit pope." I actually never expected a Jesuit pope, but I always knew the day was coming when the leadership of the Church would see its mission as one rooted in social justice.

My girlfriend no longer Catholic (but raised Catholic) said to me the other day

"Imagine if the church had had one hundred years of papal leadership like Francis, the world would be so different now..."

I think the problem (and I doubt you will accept this) has been, in the past, popes have come from narrower backgrounds than Francis, and have tended to see the Church as institution under siege. So they've acted secretly, often out of fear, and always averse to scandal. D1B brings up the 1932 Concordat all the time. But Pius IX signed that because he was scared and was naive politically --certainly he was not a ruthless politician as Hitler.

One thing I remember one of the Jesuits I had in college say something like, "Why are we afraid? If we are truly the Church founded by Christ, what do we have to be scared about? The Early Christians were persecuted, and even accepted death -- because they were not afraid."

Francis is not afraid and the Church under his leadership is not afraid. But I am afraid that this trait is likely to bring a premature and likely violent end to his papacy. I also thinks he knows that, and he is not afraid.

[D1B]

My girlfriend no longer Catholic (but raised Catholic) said to me the other day

"Imagine if the church had had one hundred years of papal leadership like Francis, the world would be so different now..."

I think the problem (and I doubt you will accept this) has been, in the past, popes have come from narrower backgrounds than Francis, and have tended to see the Church as institution under siege. So they've acted secretly, often out of fear, and always averse to scandal. D1B brings up the 1932 Concordat all the time. But Pius IX signed that because he was scared and was naive politically --certainly he was not a ruthless politician as Hitler.

One thing I remember one of the Jesuits I had in college say something like, "Why are we afraid? If we are truly the Church founded by Christ, what do we have to be scared about? The Early Christians were persecuted, and even accepted death -- because they were not afraid."

Francis is not afraid and the Church under his leadership is not afraid. But I am afraid that this trait is likely to bring a premature and likely violent end to his papacy. I also thinks he knows that, and he is not afraid.

Re: Concordat, I've always maintained Pius was:

1. Scared and a coward
2. interested in protecting church assets

Francis would have shoved it up Hitler's ass.

[Chizzang]

My girlfriend no longer Catholic (but raised Catholic) said to me the other day

"Imagine if the church had had one hundred years of papal leadership like Francis, the world would be so different now..."

I think the problem (and I doubt you will accept this) has been, in the past, popes have come from narrower backgrounds than Francis, and have tended to see the Church as institution under siege. So they've acted secretly, often out of fear, and always averse to scandal. D1B brings up the 1932 Concordat all the time. But Pius IX signed that because he was scared and was naive politically --certainly he was not a ruthless politician as Hitler.

One thing I remember one of the Jesuits I had in college say something like, "Why are we afraid? If we are truly the Church founded by Christ, what do we have to be scared about? The Early Christians were persecuted, and even accepted death -- because they were not afraid."

Francis is not afraid and the Church under his leadership is not afraid. But I am afraid that this trait is likely to bring a premature and likely violent end to his papacy. I also thinks he knows that, and he is not afraid.

Francis alone has gotten my girlfriend re-examining her faith
And she is an Ex-Catholic who dismissed the church long ago as beyond recovery

He's made significant steps towards fixing what was broken
and I'm speaking entirely psychologically here

[∞∞∞]

Pope Francis is just another in a long line of hypocrites and leaders who hurt the disenfranchised. A lot of bad people have fooled others through their charisma; this man follows in their footsteps.

[andy7171]

Pope Francis is just another in a long line of hypocrites and leaders who hurt the disenfranchised. A lot of bad people have fooled others through their charisma; this man follows in their footsteps.

Hey trip, your Muslim is showing.

[93henfan]

Pope Francis is just another in a long line of hypocrites and leaders who hurt the disenfranchised. A lot of bad people have fooled others through their charisma; this man follows in their footsteps.

[CitadelGrad]

Francis has reversed his position on capitalism. So maybe Cleets girlfriend should hold her horses.

http://www.theonion.com/article/pope-fr ... r-se-51363

[kalm]

My girlfriend no longer Catholic (but raised Catholic) said to me the other day

"Imagine if the church had had one hundred years of papal leadership like Francis, the world would be so different now..."

I think the problem (and I doubt you will accept this) has been, in the past, popes have come from narrower backgrounds than Francis, and have tended to see the Church as institution under siege. So they've acted secretly, often out of fear, and always averse to scandal. D1B brings up the 1932 Concordat all the time. But Pius IX signed that because he was scared and was naive politically --certainly he was not a ruthless politician as Hitler.

One thing I remember one of the Jesuits I had in college say something like, "Why are we afraid? If we are truly the Church founded by Christ, what do we have to be scared about? The Early Christians were persecuted, and even accepted death -- because they were not afraid."

Francis is not afraid and the Church under his leadership is not afraid. But I am afraid that this trait is likely to bring a premature and likely violent end to his papacy. I also thinks he knows that, and he is not afraid.

Joe is voting for Bernie Sanders!

[CAA Flagship]

Joe is voting for Bernie Sanders!

Why are you clapping?

[kalm]

Joe is voting for Bernie Sanders!

Why are you clapping?

Because I'm happy for Joe's religious consistency. You on the other hand.

[CAA Flagship]

Why are you clapping?

Because I'm happy for Joe's religious consistency. You on the other hand.

Me? What have I ever said about religion other than that I attend Mass on Sundays?
My political slant is all based on money, not religion.

[kalm]

Because I'm happy for Joe's religious consistency. You on the other hand.

Me? What have I ever said about religion other than that I attend Mass on Sundays?
My political slant is all based on money, not religion.

[Ivytalk]

Me? What have I ever said about religion other than that I attend Mass on Sundays?
My political slant is all based on money, not religion.

C'mon, klam, lots of people focus more on economic issues than social issues when voting. I know I do. Why so hard on Flaggy? (No homo.)

[CAA Flagship]

Me? What have I ever said about religion other than that I attend Mass on Sundays?
My political slant is all based on money, not religion.

[93henfan]

By the way, as I'm sitting on my couch eating Cheetos thanks to Francis, I figured I 'd check him out.

Pretty cool guy, even though he needs to work on his English. I'd personally rather listen to a translator.

It's clear that the Vatican owns Chrysler/Fiat stock. He rocked the Fiat 500l yesterday and this morning, and the Popemobile for the parade was a Jeep Wrangler. My brutha! I like this guy.

He was kissing kids brought to him from behind the barricades by security agents. That's damn cool. No pedo.

I'm Catholic until Sunday.

[89Hen]

I'm Catholic until Sunday.

Welcome brother. I'll teach you the secret handshake later.

[93henfan]

I'm Catholic until Sunday.

Welcome brother. I'll teach you the secret handshake later.

Hey, it's been said before here, but the smartphone generation really needs to learn some basic etiquette in life. For instance, when the Pope, for instance, is standing in front of you after you've waited behind a barricade for hours outside his residence, and he sticks his hand out for you to shake it, you don't leave him hanging while you whip out your iPhone 6Plus and stick it in his face.

I honestly would have been fine with Francis spiking that fucking phone.

[GannonFan]

Agree. Just note that the Catholic Church is not as interested in conversion as the fundies. The program I ran had absolutely religious programming, by order of the archbishop.

I sense you're mellowing a bit about the Catholic Church. Of course, you've always been right about the outrageous misconduct of the clergy (although I think you've exaggerated the matter somewhat).

Pope Francis is a lot like the Jesuits I had in college: extremely smart; engaging; authorities on matters of science, economics, arts, and politics. Moreover, the Jesuits I knew were committed to education and activism, and saw the mission of the Church as one rooted in social justice.

A theology professor I had, Fr. John Baldovin, use to say all the time, "I like John Paul II, don't get me wrong, but just wait until there is a Jesuit pope." I actually never expected a Jesuit pope, but I always knew the day was coming when the leadership of the Church would see its mission as one rooted in social justice.

Good post - indeed, the Jesuit nature of this pope is easily the uniqueness about Francis. And yes, for at least the past 50 years the Jesuits have been on this bent of social justice. Walk into any Jesuit-led church today and you pretty much get what you've been seeing with Francis. The Church certainly needed this and it's good that it's happening.

[YoUDeeMan]

Is this a troll, Cluck? If not, it's your worst post ever.

Spend the money obtained by raping the nonprofits on "things we all agree on?" Name one such "thing."

I was waiting for someone to catch that.

And you've been on my shyt list ever since you backed out of the crab feast at the last minute.

Sorry about that.

That day turned into a crap day...as was a part of Saturday.

But, I ended up having a pretty good Sunday...4 bullets in four races!!!!! Lil' Cluck was proud as I got to sign a perpetual trophy.

[kalm]

CINO

[CAA Flagship]

CINO

Name one multi-faceted organization/belief/movement/etc. that you agree with 100%.
Pols' church excluded.

[Ivytalk]

CINO

Name one multi-faceted organization/belief/movement/etc. that you agree with 100%.
Pols' church excluded.

Hah! Now you've stumped him!

[93henfan]

This was the only campaign Kalm ever supported 100%:

http://www.joeyskaggs.com/html/geo.html

That was an epic troll, btw, if you actually read the link. Dr. Richard Long