Voter ID laws and access to valid identification

[dbackjon]

The Denial in this thread by the right is strong.


Only either a complete moron, or someone is so great a denial over the fact that the GOP in the south is controlled by racists can not see this for what it is - an attempt to suppress minority/Democratic votes.

You all would make great citizens of a totalitarian state

[kalm]

The Denial in this thread by the right is strong.


Only either a complete moron, or someone is so great a denial over the fact that the GOP in the south is controlled by racists can not see this for what it is - an attempt to suppress minority/Democratic votes.

You all would make great citizens of a totalitarian state

[ASUG8]

The Denial in this thread by the right is strong.


Only either a complete moron, or someone is so great a denial over the fact that the GOP in the south is controlled by racists can not see this for what it is - an attempt to suppress minority/Democratic votes.

You all would make great citizens of a totalitarian state

Why so upset? You guys get to vote twice to make up for it.

[89Hen]

The Denial in this thread by the right is strong.


Only either a complete moron, or someone is so great a denial over the fact that the GOP in the south is controlled by racists can not see this for what it is - an attempt to suppress minority/Democratic votes.

You all would make great citizens of a totalitarian state

You're a lemming. Think for yourself for once.

[dbackjon]

The Denial in this thread by the right is strong.


Only either a complete moron, or someone is so great a denial over the fact that the GOP in the south is controlled by racists can not see this for what it is - an attempt to suppress minority/Democratic votes.

You all would make great citizens of a totalitarian state

You're a lemming. Think for yourself for once.

I do - that is why I vote Democratic - the party of Free Thinkers

[89Hen]

You're a lemming. Think for yourself for once.

I do - that is why I vote Democratic - the party of Free Thinkers

That's interesting. I vote for the best candidate and have never once voted a straight ticket. One might believe that was the true free thinker. But you keep reading HuffPo and voting straight ticket Jon.

[dbackjon]

I do - that is why I vote Democratic - the party of Free Thinkers

That's interesting. I vote for the best candidate and have never once voted a straight ticket. One might believe that was the true free thinker. But you keep reading HuffPo and voting straight ticket Jon.

If you lived in Arizona you'd probably vote straight Democratic as well...

[Ibanez]

That's interesting. I vote for the best candidate and have never once voted a straight ticket. One might believe that was the true free thinker. But you keep reading HuffPo and voting straight ticket Jon.

If you lived in Arizona you'd probably vote straight Democratic as well...

What about gay Democratic?

Voting a straight ticket is lazy. There are good and bad in both parties. Take the time to read and educate yourself before choosing Shitty Candidate #1 over Shitty Candidate #2.

[dbackjon]

If you lived in Arizona you'd probably vote straight Democratic as well...

What about gay Democratic?

Voting a straight ticket is lazy. There are good and bad in both parties. Take the time to read and educate yourself before choosing Shitty Candidate #1 over Shitty Candidate #2.

If you lived in Arizona you'd probably vote gay Democratic as well...

[JohnStOnge]

Ok I suspected this would happen when I did it. I combined the populations of the affected counties and looked at the percent Black in the combined population. The combined population of the affected counties is 23.1 percent Black. The overall Alabama population is 26.7 percent Black.

In other words, NON Blacks are "over represented" in the affected counties combined. Actually the percentages are pretty close. But to the extent that it puts racial groups at an advantage overall in the State it puts Blacks at a slight advantage.

BTW the reason I expected to see what I saw is that the typical pattern in Southern States is that the metropolitan areas with the highest populations tend to be disproportionately Black. So if you leave facilities in higher population areas while eliminating them in low population areas you are probably going to disproportionately exclude Blacks form whatever disadvantage you may be conferring.

[93henfan]

The Denial in this thread by the right is strong.


Only either a complete moron, or someone is so great a denial over the fact that the GOP in the south is controlled by racists can not see this for what it is - an attempt to suppress minority/Democratic votes.

You all would make great citizens of a totalitarian state

Why so upset? You guys get to vote twice to make up for it.

[93henfan]

89 and JSO statistically pwned this thread. There's really nothing to see here. Move along now.

[CAA Flagship]

Ok I suspected this would happen when I did it. I combined the populations of the affected counties and looked at the percent Black in the combined population. The combined population of the affected counties is 23.1 percent Black. The overall Alabama population is 26.7 percent Black.

In other words, NON Blacks are "over represented" in the affected counties combined. Actually the percentages are pretty close. But to the extent that it puts racial groups at an advantage overall in the State it puts Blacks at a slight advantage.

BTW the reason I expected to see what I saw is that the typical pattern in Southern States is that the metropolitan areas with the highest populations tend to be disproportionately Black. So if you leave facilities in higher population areas while eliminating them in low population areas you are probably going to disproportionately exclude Blacks form whatever disadvantage you may be conferring.

True. Hooterville did not have blacks.

[JohnStOnge]

Only either a complete moron, or someone is so great a denial over the fact that the GOP in the south is controlled by racists can not see this for what it is - an attempt to suppress minority/Democratic votes.

Or someone who will actually run the numbers and see that if this does make the populations of those counties less likely to vote the result will be to suppress the NON black vote more than it suppresses the Black vote.

The highest population county affected, Baldwin, has a population of 200,111 as of the latest Census estimate and Baldwin County is 83.0 percent non hispanic White. The second highest population county affected, St. Clair County, has a population of 86,697 and St. Clair County is 85.9 percent non hispanic White. None of the other affected counties have more than 26,712 population.

Alabama overall is 66.2 percent non hispanic White. Get the picture with respect to which racial group is being "hurt" most by this action?

This spin of it being done to suppress the "Democratic" vote is SUCH a crock.

[JohnStOnge]

Here's another one. Look at the map below showing red for counties (and Parishes in Louisiana) that voted for Romney in the last election and blue for the counties that voted for Obama.

Now tell me, who would have been hurt if some system had been in place to make it more difficult to vote in more lightly populated counties?

[93henfan]

OK, he went full JSO.

Never go full JSO.

[BDKJMU]

The Denial in this thread by the right is strong.


Only either a complete moron, or someone is so great a denial over the fact that the GOP in the south is controlled by racists can not see this for what it is - an attempt to suppress minority/Democratic votes.

You all would make great citizens of a totalitarian state

89 already proved with a simple google search that this has nothing to do with rascism and yet you are still too stupid to see that..

[AZGrizFan]

The Denial in this thread by the right is strong.


Only either a complete moron, or someone is so great a denial over the fact that the GOP in the south is controlled by racists can not see this for what it is - an attempt to suppress minority/Democratic votes.

You all would make great citizens of a totalitarian state

89 already proved with a simple google search that this has nothing to do with rascism and yet you are still too stupid to see that..

And then JSO did the flying Walenda from the top rope and completely slam dunked the stats and dback STILL doesn't see it...

[CID1990]

Yikes, 89 ftw. Why are there posts after this one?

Because chizzy isn't convinced...

It's almost like..... what's the analogy I'm thinking of here...

I dunno

Sort of like being a brain surgeon but not convinced the earth isn't 6000 years old

[CID1990]

Its already been clearly shown that Republicans don't really want black people voting

Has it?

Certainly blacks vote mostly Democratic, but they hardly sway elections - because they mostly suppress themselves by not voting anyway- with no help from the GOP.

Even when Obama ran you could subtract the black vote (a historical turnout) and Obama still wins

I'd say Republican support for voter ID rules is more geared towards suppressing the illegal immigrant vote

[Skjellyfetti]

Its already been clearly shown that Republicans don't really want black people voting

Has it?

It's been their concerted strategy in the South for the last 50+ years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Y'all really deny this?







And, I know the least popular thing to do here is present actual facts... but... look at DMV locations and black populations in Alabama, Georgia, and Mississippi (this is before the closures of the Alabama offices):



And, here's hispanic populations in Texas and DMV locations.

[Baldy]

Has it?

It's been their concerted strategy in the South for the last 50+ years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Y'all really deny this?







And, I know the least popular thing to do here is present actual facts... but... look at DMV locations and black populations in Alabama, Georgia, and Mississippi (this is before the closures of the Alabama offices):



And, here's hispanic populations in Texas and DMV locations.

Interesting.

On one hand, you accuse Conks the egregious sin of intentionally suppressing blacks the privilege to vote by placing DMV offices in out of the way population centers. While on the other, people like you claim that putting Planned Parenthood abortion mills in the middle of black neighborhoods is providing health care to the underprivileged.

[93henfan]

^
BOOM

[93henfan]

Uh oh. I see GOD just logged on. I'm outta here!

[Ibanez]

When I opened this thread yesterday, a few thoughts came to mind.

1) SK doesn't have or isn't providing the whole story
2) I'll wager that the counties losing offices have small populations and there amount of service isn't cost effective
3) Democrats will want to spend money to serve a few even though it makes no fiscal sense.
4) Dback will assume the worst, simply because this is happening in a red state.
5) JSO will have stats and stats and more stats.

Sometimes it makes no sense to keep an office going when it's not serving many people and that money could be better used elsewhere. This is 2015. You need an id to do the following:

Buy alcohol
Buy cigarettes
Apply for food stamps
Apply for welfare
Apply for unemployment
Buy nail polish at CVS
Buy cold medicine
Apply for a job

I bet people of all walks of life have done/continue to do these things.

So, it begs the questions:
1) What percent of people, 18 yrs and older, have zero state issued ID?
2) Why don't they have it?

Now, the Voter ID law, IMO, is smart in theory. We SHOULD confirm citizenship before taking part in the election process. I don't understand how this is bad. I understand the idea that it will disenfranchise people, but since this whole process began I have noticed that it talks about poor blacks and whites who, unless they are doing absolutely nothing, are on some sort of government assistance, which requires ID to apply for things from unemployment, welfare, medicare, etc...

The states should make it easier. I would have no issue with voter registration drives having the ability to make the ID right there. It's possible. The machines, while large, are mobile. If we're going to go the Voter ID route, we should make the best effort possible to reach those that may be disenfranchised. It's not difficult. It takes coordination and a commitment.

EDIT: Looks likeAlabama does the mobile registration. Here's a list of documents that you can present to get your voter id

All must contain full legal name and date of birth
Birth Certificate *
Hospital or nursing home record
Marriage Record *
State or Federal Census Record
Military Record
Medicare or Medicaid document
Social Security Administration Document
Certificate of Citizenship
Official school record or transcript
A student ID issued by a public or private high school
A student or employee ID card issued by a private university or postgraduate technical or professional school located OUTSIDE the state of Alabama
An employee ID card NOT issued by a branch, department, agency, or entity of the US government, the State of Alabama, or any county, municipality, board, authority, or entity of the State of Alabama
Hospital/nursing home ID card
Wholesale club or other membership card
* The Secretary of State’s office has entered an agreement with the Alabama Department of Public Health whereby a free birth or marriage certificate will be provided to the processing or issuing agent when a voter needs one of these documents in order to obtain a free Alabama photo voter ID card.
http://www.alabamavoterid.com/getFreePhotoVoterID.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



There shouldn't be any excuse. This is just a red herring. Again, it's 2015. Get with the times.