I'm with Carson

[GannonFan]

But have you seen him speak? Brother is a good looking, smooth talking dude. Does it really matter what he thinks or says?

Jobiden: "He's bright, and clean, and articulate, and..."

[AZGrizFan]

Hey I understand the pickins' are thin in conservative land these days - so apologetics be dammed
But Nazi Germany comparisons are for dullards and Glenn Beck. Use any other analogy with your vivid 140 IQ - its a STUPID STUPID comparison and America is NOTHING like Nazi Germany

and anybody who dismisses basic science... should be embarrassed
Its not like anybody is asking him to NOT use that common sense that he's got precious little of

But have you seen him speak? Brother is a good looking, smooth talking dude. Does it really matter what he thinks or says?

Well is sure as fuck hasn't matter the past 7 years.

[CID1990]

America is NOTHING like Nazi Germany

BTW

I could draw a number of parallels

Nazi Germany wasn't just about hating Jews and fascism

it was also about blind allegiance, populist politicians feeding peoples fears, low information voters, disillusionment with proto-globalism...

just because we aren't smashing Jewish storefronts doesn't mean its impossible for societies to mirror a lot of what led Germany down that road. just because it is a clumsy cliche doesnt automatically mean there's no truth

I probably wouldnt use the same analogy - but at the same time there are lots of stupid things the current president has said (if I had a son he'd look like Trayvon) that I wouldnt say, either...

Carson isnt my candidate but I do think the reaction he produces in you is amusing - that alone makes him interesting

[Chizzang]

America is NOTHING like Nazi Germany

BTW

I could draw a number of parallels

Nazi Germany wasn't just about hating Jews and fascism

it was also about blind allegiance, populist politicians feeding peoples fears, low information voters, disillusionment with proto-globalism...

just because we aren't smashing Jewish storefronts doesn't mean its impossible for societies to mirror a lot of what led Germany down that road. just because it is a clumsy cliche doesnt automatically mean there's no truth

I probably wouldnt use the same analogy - but at the same time there are lots of stupid things the current president has said (if I had a son he'd look like Trayvon) that I wouldnt say, either...

Carson isnt my candidate but I do think the reaction he produces in you is amusing - that alone makes him interesting

Carson is the smartest guy in the room - to get hit by a bus crossing the street...
I like my Brain Surgeons and Biblical Literalist to be divided by the application of basic common sense
NOT united by the lack of it

Yet here we are...

[JohnStOnge]

There is no perfect solution. But the legislature is accountable to the People. The Judiciary is not. Why would you want the Branch that is totally unaccountable to have the final word?

Seriously. Think about it. Why would you want to give the final word to people who have zero accountability?

It makes no sense at all.

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa78.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes that says many things including this:

The judiciary, on the contrary, has no influence over either the sword or the purse; no direction either of the strength or of the wealth of the society; and can take no active resolution whatever. It may truly be said to have neither FORCE nor WILL, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm even for the efficacy of its judgments.

What that tells you is that a necessary check on the Judiciary is that the executive can simply ignore what the Judiciary says and refuse to enforce it. That's the intended protection from Judicial over reach.

We need Presidents who are willing to exercise that check. It wouldn't help us right at this moment because of the President we have.

But the idea is that the Judiciary is supposed to be the LEAST powerful branch. And that's not the case right now.

[JohnStOnge]

BTW Federalist 78 presumes that the Justices are going to follow the Constitution. The problem we have now is that they clearly don't. We have to deal with that.

[Ibanez]

BTW Federalist 78 presumes that the Justices are going to follow the Constitution. The problem we have now is that they clearly don't. We have to deal with that.

Hamilton assumed the judicial branch would be the weakest of the 3 branches.

He assumed that they would have judgement and no power over the "sword or the purse."

It was a political essay. It was essentially propaganda. So, consider that.

[YoUDeeMan]

Two things:
Back to Ben Carson the genius
who thinks...America 2015 is just like Nazi Germany

He does

"Pressed by Blitzer on whether the comparison was appropriate, Carson argued his focus on the specific words was "part of the problem."

"What you were doing is allowing words to affect you more than listening to what was actually being said. And that's part of the problem," he said.

"You are just focusing on the words 'Nazi Germany' and completely missing the point of what is being said," he added."



The point (that you missed)?

"Carson made the comments during a March interview with conservative news outlet Breitbart.com. He noted that the Third Reich was "using its tools to intimidate the population," and said that "we now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe."

In elaborating on those comments Wednesday, he again suggested that the U.S. "government is using instruments of government, like the IRS, to punish its opponents."'

[YoUDeeMan]

Back to Ben Carson the genius
who thinks the world is 5,000 years old


He does

Uhhhh...not in this link.

He says he doesn't know how old the world is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVKBlPZiGM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He also says, in multiple links, that he believes in natural selection.

What he doesn't believe in is the theory of evolution as it is presented. He believes God made man (when isn't a concern to Carson).

He sounds like a lot of scientists that believe in God.

Intelligent design...cue Seattlegriz

[Chizzang]

Back to Ben Carson the genius
who thinks the world is 5,000 years old


He does

Uhhhh...not in this link.

He says he doesn't know how old the world is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVKBlPZiGM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He also says, in multiple links, that he believes in natural selection.

What he doesn't believe in is the theory of evolution as it is presented. He believes God made man (when isn't a concern to Carson).

He sounds like a lot of scientists that believe in God.

Intelligent design...cue Seattlegriz

Dude,
He's an intelligent design goofball fundamentalist
Good luck busily trying to sweep that greasy sh!t under the rug



Like Mittens Romney he's well schooled at how to look like a logical 21st century adult
When in reality he thinks Jesus put the Dinosaur bones there to fool the devil

[CID1990]

Uhhhh...not in this link.

He says he doesn't know how old the world is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVKBlPZiGM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He also says, in multiple links, that he believes in natural selection.

What he doesn't believe in is the theory of evolution as it is presented. He believes God made man (when isn't a concern to Carson).

He sounds like a lot of scientists that believe in God.

Intelligent design...cue Seattlegriz

Dude,
He's an intelligent design goofball fundamentalist
Good luck busily trying to sweep that greasy sh!t under the rug



Like Mittens Romney he's well schooled at how to look like a logical 21st century adult
When in reality he thinks Jesus put the Dinosaur bones there to fool the devil

You're up in arms about his beliefs (and your stance on them is legitimate)

But what should really be alarming is that as things work themselves out in the primaries, he may wind up being the best candidate from either side. Chew on that for a moment-

I'll be totally honest - I'm less enthusiastic about this field than I have been with any before- but three things that matter to me are integrity, civility, and a sense of humility. There are two democrats and one republican I see that may fit the bill - Jim Webb, Bernie Sanders, and Carson. I personally don't care if the president believes in flying monkeys with laser rifles. If his beliefs are subordinate to the Constitution then I have no objection to him being president- which was the original thrust of this thread... Will Carson submit to the same litmus test that he would expect of a Muslim? If the answer to that is yes, then his faith is irrelevant.

[bluehenbillk]

I think Carson is going to go the road of Herman Cain...he should probably talk less.

[Ivytalk]

I think Carson is going to go the road of Herman Cain...he should probably talk less.

Herman "9-9-9" Cain was a clown who withdrew from the 2012 race because of sexual harassment charges. The only real comparison to Carson is their outsider status. Carson may sink, but it won't be for lack of intellect, sensibility or a moral core.

[Chizzang]

I think Carson is going to go the road of Herman Cain...he should probably talk less.

Herman "9-9-9" Cain was a clown who withdrew from the 2012 race because of sexual harassment charges. The only real comparison to Carson is their outsider status. Carson may sink, but it won't be for lack of intellect, sensibility or a moral core.

As long as somebody holds his hand at the cross walk - I'd hate to lose him crossing the street



But yes, his moral core... more on that please
(The Bible probably the least moral document in world history)

[Ivytalk]

Herman "9-9-9" Cain was a clown who withdrew from the 2012 race because of sexual harassment charges. The only real comparison to Carson is their outsider status. Carson may sink, but it won't be for lack of intellect, sensibility or a moral core.

As long as somebody holds his hand at the cross walk - I'd hate to lose him crossing the street



But yes, his moral core... more on that please
(The Bible probably the least moral document in world history)

Man, Chizz, you're the Crown Prince of Snark this week. Jeans too tight?

[Chizzang]

As long as somebody holds his hand at the cross walk - I'd hate to lose him crossing the street



But yes, his moral core... more on that please
(The Bible probably the least moral document in world history)

Man, Chizz, you're the Crown Prince of Snark this week. Jeans too tight?

probably just old age creeping in...

[LeadBolt]

Man, Chizz, you're the Crown Prince of Snark this week. Jeans too tight?

probably just old age creeping in...

WHEre were you yesterday? Did you have anything to do with the shootings of Christians at the Ore. Community College?

[Chizzang]

probably just old age creeping in...

WHEre were you yesterday? Did you have anything to do with the shootings of Christians at the Ore. Community College?

I believe I have made it abundantly clear (Not sure where you've been during all this)
That your average Christian isn't nearly as dangerous as your average Muslim

There is almost nothing on this Earth I despise more than the Koran
A book filled with hatred and fear

The books of the Bible by comparison are merely idiotic nonsense... but not quite as dangerous

Thanks for checking in

[SeattleGriz]

Back to Ben Carson the genius
who thinks the world is 5,000 years old


He does

Uhhhh...not in this link.

He says he doesn't know how old the world is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVKBlPZiGM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He also says, in multiple links, that he believes in natural selection.

What he doesn't believe in is the theory of evolution as it is presented. He believes God made man (when isn't a concern to Carson).

He sounds like a lot of scientists that believe in God.

Intelligent design...cue Seattlegriz

You rang?

[LeadBolt]

WHEre were you yesterday? Did you have anything to do with the shootings of Christians at the Ore. Community College?

I believe I have made it abundantly clear (Not sure where you've been during all this)
That your average Christian isn't nearly as dangerous as your average Muslim

There is almost nothing on this Earth I despise more than the Koran
A book filled with hatred and fear

The books of the Bible by comparison are merely idiotic nonsense... but not quite as dangerous

Thanks for checking in

I'm not really interested in your feelings on the Qu'ran and the Bible, as much your attitude toward those who accept them and your mis-statements of their views.

[Chizzang]

I believe I have made it abundantly clear (Not sure where you've been during all this)
That your average Christian isn't nearly as dangerous as your average Muslim

There is almost nothing on this Earth I despise more than the Koran
A book filled with hatred and fear

The books of the Bible by comparison are merely idiotic nonsense... but not quite as dangerous

Thanks for checking in

I'm not really interested in your feelings on the Qu'ran and the Bible, as much your attitude toward those who accept them and your mis-statements of their views.

Really... how fascinating do tell

[SeattleGriz]

Herman "9-9-9" Cain was a clown who withdrew from the 2012 race because of sexual harassment charges. The only real comparison to Carson is their outsider status. Carson may sink, but it won't be for lack of intellect, sensibility or a moral core.

As long as somebody holds his hand at the cross walk - I'd hate to lose him crossing the street



But yes, his moral core... more on that please
(The Bible probably the least moral document in world history)

Receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom at least lets you know he cares about the security or national interests of the US.

[Chizzang]

As long as somebody holds his hand at the cross walk - I'd hate to lose him crossing the street



But yes, his moral core... more on that please
(The Bible probably the least moral document in world history)

Receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom at least lets you know he cares about the security or national interests of the US.

Is that kinda like getting the Nobel Peace Price shortly before carpet bombing Afghanistan..?

[kalm]

I might agree with him on this.

GOP's Carson goes after Muslim advocacy group's tax status

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican Ben Carson has started a petition calling on the IRS to target the nation's largest Muslim advocacy group.

The retired neurosurgeon accused the Council on American-Islamic Relations on Thursday of violating its nonprofit tax status in a Facebook message. Carson said the organization "brazenly violated IRS rules" when it called last month for him to leave the 2016 presidential race.

"Under the Obama administration, the IRS has systematically targeted conservative nonprofit groups for politically motivated audits and harassment," Carson wrote. "The agency should now properly do its job and punish the real violators of America's laws and regulations."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e742df97 ... tax-status" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[CID1990]

I might agree with him on this.

GOP's Carson goes after Muslim advocacy group's tax status

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican Ben Carson has started a petition calling on the IRS to target the nation's largest Muslim advocacy group.

The retired neurosurgeon accused the Council on American-Islamic Relations on Thursday of violating its nonprofit tax status in a Facebook message. Carson said the organization "brazenly violated IRS rules" when it called last month for him to leave the 2016 presidential race.

"Under the Obama administration, the IRS has systematically targeted conservative nonprofit groups for politically motivated audits and harassment," Carson wrote. "The agency should now properly do its job and punish the real violators of America's laws and regulations."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e742df97 ... tax-status" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

going after tea party groups is still ok too