Voter ID laws and access to valid identification

[ASUG8]

Wow, that was quite the curb stomp, Ibanez.

I'm sure the Alabama DMV (like all the other states) has streamlined operations dramatically in order to serve more people in fewer locations with less of a wait.

[kalm]

When I opened this thread yesterday, a few thoughts came to mind.

1) SK doesn't have or isn't providing the whole story
2) I'll wager that the counties losing offices have small populations and there amount of service isn't cost effective
3) Democrats will want to spend money to serve a few even though it makes no fiscal sense.
4) Dback will assume the worst, simply because this is happening in a red state.
5) JSO will have stats and stats and more stats.

Sometimes it makes no sense to keep an office going when it's not serving many people and that money could be better used elsewhere. This is 2015. You need an id to do the following:

Buy alcohol
Buy cigarettes
Apply for food stamps
Apply for welfare
Apply for unemployment
Buy nail polish at CVS
Buy cold medicine
Apply for a job

I bet people of all walks of life have done/continue to do these things.

So, it begs the questions:
1) What percent of people, 18 yrs and older, have zero state issued ID?
2) Why don't they have it?

Now, the Voter ID law, IMO, is smart in theory. We SHOULD confirm citizenship before taking part in the election process. I don't understand how this is bad. I understand the idea that it will disenfranchise people, but since this whole process began I have noticed that it talks about poor blacks and whites who, unless they are doing absolutely nothing, are on some sort of government assistance, which requires ID to apply for things from unemployment, welfare, medicare, etc...

The states should make it easier. I would have no issue with voter registration drives having the ability to make the ID right there. It's possible. The machines, while large, are mobile. If we're going to go the Voter ID route, we should make the best effort possible to reach those that may be disenfranchised. It's not difficult. It takes coordination and a commitment.

EDIT: Looks likeAlabama does the mobile registration. Here's a list of documents that you can present to get your voter id

All must contain full legal name and date of birth
Birth Certificate *
Hospital or nursing home record
Marriage Record *
State or Federal Census Record
Military Record
Medicare or Medicaid document
Social Security Administration Document
Certificate of Citizenship
Official school record or transcript
A student ID issued by a public or private high school
A student or employee ID card issued by a private university or postgraduate technical or professional school located OUTSIDE the state of Alabama
An employee ID card NOT issued by a branch, department, agency, or entity of the US government, the State of Alabama, or any county, municipality, board, authority, or entity of the State of Alabama
Hospital/nursing home ID card
Wholesale club or other membership card
* The Secretary of State’s office has entered an agreement with the Alabama Department of Public Health whereby a free birth or marriage certificate will be provided to the processing or issuing agent when a voter needs one of these documents in order to obtain a free Alabama photo voter ID card.
http://www.alabamavoterid.com/getFreePhotoVoterID.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



There shouldn't be any excuse. This is just a red herring. Again, it's 2015. Get with the times.

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Nice work Ibanez. Makes sense.

[Ibanez]

Wow, that was quite the curb stomp, Ibanez.

I'm sure the Alabama DMV (like all the other states) has streamlined operations dramatically in order to serve more people in fewer locations with less of a wait.

Nothing is ever perfect and it'll take time, patience and money to improve the process. I see both sides of the issue. Illegal immigrants, of any nationality, should not have a say in the voting process. They aren't citizens. They aren't Americans. They are here illegally, for whatever reason, but that does not mean we must dilute the votes to appease them.

cue dback to call me some derogatory name in 3..2..1..

[ASUG8]

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Dick.

[Ibanez]

When I opened this thread yesterday, a few thoughts came to mind.

1) SK doesn't have or isn't providing the whole story
2) I'll wager that the counties losing offices have small populations and their amount of service isn't cost effective
3) Democrats will want to spend money to serve a few even though it makes no fiscal sense.
4) Dback will assume the worst, simply because this is happening in a red state.
5) JSO will have stats and stats and more stats.

Sometimes it makes no sense to keep an office going when it's not serving many people and that money could be better used elsewhere. This is 2015. You need an id to do the following:

Buy alcohol
Buy cigarettes
Apply for food stamps
Apply for welfare
Apply for unemployment
Buy nail polish at CVS
Buy cold medicine
Apply for a job

I bet people of all walks of life have done/continue to do these things.

So, it begs the questions:
1) What percent of people, 18 yrs and older, have zero state issued ID?
2) Why don't they have it?

Now, the Voter ID law, IMO, is smart in theory. We SHOULD confirm citizenship before taking part in the election process. I don't understand how this is bad. I understand the idea that it will disenfranchise people, but since this whole process began I have noticed that it talks about poor blacks and whites who, unless they are doing absolutely nothing, are on some sort of government assistance, which requires ID to apply for things from unemployment, welfare, medicare, etc...

The states should make it easier. I would have no issue with voter registration drives having the ability to make the ID right there. It's possible. The machines, while large, are mobile. If we're going to go the Voter ID route, we should make the best effort possible to reach those that may be disenfranchised. It's not difficult. It takes coordination and a commitment.

EDIT: Looks likeAlabama does the mobile registration. Here's a list of documents that you can present to get your voter id

All must contain full legal name and date of birth
Birth Certificate *
Hospital or nursing home record
Marriage Record *
State or Federal Census Record
Military Record
Medicare or Medicaid document
Social Security Administration Document
Certificate of Citizenship
Official school record or transcript
A student ID issued by a public or private high school
A student or employee ID card issued by a private university or postgraduate technical or professional school located OUTSIDE the state of Alabama
An employee ID card NOT issued by a branch, department, agency, or entity of the US government, the State of Alabama, or any county, municipality, board, authority, or entity of the State of Alabama
Hospital/nursing home ID card
Wholesale club or other membership card
* The Secretary of State’s office has entered an agreement with the Alabama Department of Public Health whereby a free birth or marriage certificate will be provided to the processing or issuing agent when a voter needs one of these documents in order to obtain a free Alabama photo voter ID card.
http://www.alabamavoterid.com/getFreePhotoVoterID.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



There shouldn't be any excuse. This is just a red herring. Again, it's 2015. Get with the times.

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Spoiler: show

Nice work Ibanez. Makes sense.

Damnit. If i'm not misspelling that word, it's accidentally using the wrong "there."

[93henfan]

cue dback to call me some derogatory name in 3..2..1..

Racist faggot!

[89Hen]

And, I know the least popular thing to do here is present actual facts...

Might be the worst fail to date.

[93henfan]

And, I know the least popular thing to do here is present actual facts...

Might be the worst fail to date.

It was a tremendous ass-kicking, done with a fact paddle.

[89Hen]

1) SK doesn't have or isn't providing the whole story

But he has maps made by a liberal "non-partisan" group that make it look really good for his arguement... unless you actually realize at what you are looking.

[kalm]

1) SK doesn't have or isn't providing the whole story

But he has maps made by a liberal "non-partisan" group that make it look really good for his arguement... unless you actually realize at what you are looking.

I just noticed you changed your "I am a fan of" of "aka" settings.

[YoUDeeMan]

I do - that is why I vote Democratic - the party of Free Thinkers

That's interesting. I vote for the best candidate and have never once voted a straight ticket.

One would think Dback would never vote a straight ticket.

[YoUDeeMan]

Because chizzy isn't convinced...

It's almost like..... what's the analogy I'm thinking of here...

I dunno

Sort of like being a brain surgeon but not convinced the earth isn't 6000 years old

[89Hen]

But he has maps made by a liberal "non-partisan" group that make it look really good for his arguement... unless you actually realize at what you are looking.

I just noticed you changed your "I am a fan of" of "aka" settings.

Like two years ago.

[YoUDeeMan]

Damnit. If i'm not misspelling that word, it's accidentally using the wrong "there."

This is what I tell my son:

"There" has, "here" in it...and in, "here or there."

"They're" is easy to recognize as, "They are."

"Their" is used when the other two aren't.

Of course, when typing quickly, sometime shit just flows out and they get mixed up. But, the examples above should eliminate any actual confusion as to which one to use.

[Ivytalk]

Damnit. If i'm not misspelling that word, it's accidentally using the wrong "there."

This is what I tell my son:

"There" has, "here" in it...and in, "here or there."

"They're" is easy to recognize as, "They are."

"Their" is used when the other two aren't.

Of course, when typing quickly, sometime **** just flows out and they get mixed up. But, the examples above should eliminate any actual confusion as to which one to use.

Thank you, Sister Mary Xavier Intifada!

[Ibanez]

Damnit. If i'm not misspelling that word, it's accidentally using the wrong "there."

This is what I tell my son:

"There" has, "here" in it...and in, "here or there."

"They're" is easy to recognize as, "They are."

"Their" is used when the other two aren't.

Of course, when typing quickly, sometime shit just flows out and they get mixed up. But, the examples above should eliminate any actual confusion as to which one to use.

Ewe nailed it, Eye was typing two fast and didn't catch my mistake.

[CID1990]

Might be the worst fail to date.

It was a tremendous ass-kicking, done with a fact paddle.

I think he likes it

He tees up so many ass kickings he has to like it

[AZGrizFan]

And, here's hispanic populations in Texas and DMV locations.

Hey, dipshit. You ever been to Texas? You see those wide swaths of Texas that are 50-100% hispanic? What that little chart of yours fails to leave out is that, while that may be true, there MIIIIIIGHT be another factor at play here....like the little fact that the vast majority of that part of the country is virtually uninhabited? There are thousands of square miles of land that only have a handful of people in them. You can drive a hundred miles in any direction in South Texas and NEVER leave the King Ranch...where cows outnumber people about 1000 to 1. So, 100% of nothing is still nothing, and certainly not worth building a government fucking Taj Mahal so a few people can conveniently vote.

And where there ARE actually people (who happen to be Hispanic), in places like El Paso, Laredo, McAllen, Harlengen, Brownsville, Kingsville, Lubbock, Fort Jackson, Corpus Christi, etc., etc., guess what? There's a DMV location!!! Open 40 hours a week! Oh, the horror....hate to shoot down your little crusade, but THEM'S the facts, Jack.

[Ibanez]

And, here's hispanic populations in Texas and DMV locations.

Hey, dipshit. You ever been to Texas? You see those wide swaths of Texas that are 50-100% hispanic? What that little chart of yours fails to leave out is that, while that may be true, there MIIIIIIGHT be another factor at play here....like the little fact that the vast majority of that part of the country is virtually uninhabited? There are thousands of square miles of land that only have a handful of people in them. You can drive a hundred miles in any direction in South Texas and NEVER leave the King Ranch...where cows outnumber people about 1000 to 1. So, 100% of nothing is still nothing, and certainly not worth building a government fucking Taj Mahal so a few people can conveniently vote.

And where there ARE actually people (who happen to be Hispanic), in places like El Paso, Laredo, McAllen, Harlengen, Brownsville, Kingsville, Lubbock, Fort Jackson, Corpus Christi, etc., etc., guess what? There's a DMV location!!! Open 40 hours a week! Oh, the horror....hate to shoot down your little crusade, but THEM'S the facts, Jack.

Good post, AZ.

[dbackjon]

89 and JSO statistically pwned this thread. There's really nothing to see here. Move along now.

No, they didn't.

[CID1990]

89 and JSO statistically pwned this thread. There's really nothing to see here. Move along now.

No, they didn't.

Why dont you just say nanny nanny boo boo while youre at it

[93henfan]

89 and JSO statistically pwned this thread. There's really nothing to see here. Move along now.

No, they didn't.

Oh. OK. I must have read the overwhelming evidence incorrectly. That happens sometimes.

[89Hen]

89 and JSO statistically pwned this thread. There's really nothing to see here. Move along now.

No, they didn't.

I don't deny that I rarely back down, but I almost never play the DB1 game of declaring victory, but you and Jelly got your asses handed to you in this one Jon. Just walk away.

[Ibanez]

89 and JSO statistically pwned this thread. There's really nothing to see here. Move along now.

No, they didn't.

Post some facts and prove them wrong. Don't just say "No they didn't".


You're better than that.

[Ibanez]

No, they didn't.

Oh. OK. I must have read the overwhelming evidence incorrectly. That happens sometimes.

It isn't your fault. You're a white male ergo you're wrong about everything.

Also you're a slave-owning war mongerer(sp?).