2015 NASCAR Thread

[89Hen]

No insult was intended. I was legitimately wondering if you knew the difference between racing for the lead and then bumping a slower car that was obviously blocking versus an out of contention car that was getting the blue and yellow lapper flag intentionally ramming the leader of a race. You explained that you value entertainment value over integrity, so you're entitled to that opinion.

Interesting that you insert "intentionally" when talking about what 20 did, but omitted it when you talked about what the 22 did.

[93henfan]

No insult was intended. I was legitimately wondering if you knew the difference between racing for the lead and then bumping a slower car that was obviously blocking versus an out of contention car that was getting the blue and yellow lapper flag intentionally ramming the leader of a race. You explained that you value entertainment value over integrity, so you're entitled to that opinion.

Interesting that you insert "intentionally" when talking about what 20 did, but omitted it when you talked about what the 22 did.

I don't believe that Logano intended to end Kenseth's day. He just wanted him to get the hell out of his way.

Hell, I've seen Dale Jr (since I mostly focus on him) get wrecked numerous times by people who I don't think intended to wreck him, but merely were trying to bump him up a groove. Jr's championship hopes were dashed by Carl Edwards a few weeks ago by such a move, and did you see me asking for penalties? Nope.

Surely you know the difference between moving and intentionally wrecking, no?

[89Hen]

Interesting that you insert "intentionally" when talking about what 20 did, but omitted it when you talked about what the 22 did.

I don't believe that Logano intended to end Kenseth's day. He just wanted him to get the hell out of his way.

Hell, I've seen Dale Jr (since I mostly focus on him) get wrecked numerous times by people who I don't think intended to wreck him, but merely were trying to bump him up a groove. Jr's championship hopes were dashed by Carl Edwards a few weeks ago by such a move, and did you see me asking for penalties? Nope.

Surely you know the difference between moving and intentionally wrecking, no?

Logano intentionally spun Kenseth, ending his day and chase hopes. Get real.

[93henfan]

Kenseth only gets two races and six months probation. No fine. Slap on the wrist.

NASCAR proves once again that all it cares about is ratings. Two races allows Kenseth to be back for the steel cage match at Homestead, should Logano fail to make the final four (or even if he does - Kenseth could harass him all race). NAS-WWE-CAR!

[BDKJMU]

"...The penalty levied against Kenseth is fairly unprecedented. Drivers have been suspended before for on-track actions, but typically only for one race and the policy has not been uniform....

...Joe Gibbs Racing immediately said it would appeal for Kenseth, and teammate Denny Hamlin decried the severity of the penalty.

''Thought it was pretty clear from drivers' reactions after the race that Joey broke driver code. Matt made sure it was enforced. (hash)freematt,'' Hamlin posted on Twitter.

.....Kenseth said the Team Penske driver was lying, and he had support throughout the garage after wrecking Logano on purpose.

''I ain't going to argue with what Matt did, Matt felt like he was justified with how Joey wrecked him at Kansas and then was arrogant about it afterward,'' said Dale Earnhardt Jr. ''That was really what got under Matt's skin more than anything, about how Joey was arrogant about it. When you damn wreck a guy, admit it, you know? Don't wreck Matt Kenseth, I'll tell you that right now. Do not wreck that boy.''

Kenseth's peers consider him a fair racer who follows old-school beliefs about on-track etiquette. Logano, the reigning Daytona 500 champion, has struggled with some of his fellow competitors. At just 25 years old and in his seventh full season, Logano has rankled some veterans with a perceived lack of respect to the way things have always been done..."
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[BDKJMU]

Kenseth only gets two races and six months probation. No fine. Slap on the wrist.

NASCAR proves once again that all it cares about is ratings. Two races allows Kenseth to be back for the steel cage match at Homestead, should Logano fail to make the final four (or even if he does - Kenseth could harass him all race). NAS-WWE-CAR!

Well Harvick got no penalty for intentionally causing a wreck on the G/W/C restart at Dega to end the race that allowed ultimately kept Jr from advancing (and maybe Hamlin too) instead of either Harvick and/or Kyle Busch..On top of that Harvick knew his car wouldn't go...didn't move out of line...The penalty Harvick got...nothing...

[93henfan]

Again, Harvick didn't blatantly plow into the leader of a race (a race where a win gets you into the ultimate race) when he was an also-ran.

Kenseth got an unprecedented, albeit weak, penalty because his actions were unprecedented. Probably the closest I've seen to this in 40 years of watching NASCAR was what Dale Earnhardt did to Terry Labonte in the 80s, but even that wasn't in a win-to-get-in scenario.

There has been nothing as bad as this before. A threshold was crossed. Rationalizing it by saying Logano is young and disrespectful is a big fail. This was a driver dictating through weeks of premeditation that another would be denied a rightful spot in the final race.

[89Hen]

You're biased because of your son's love for the 22.

[93henfan]

You're biased because of your son's love for the 22.

My nigga Joey just made me Dad of the Year.

[BDKJMU]

Kenseth only gets two races and six months probation. No fine. Slap on the wrist.

NASCAR proves once again that all it cares about is ratings. Two races allows Kenseth to be back for the steel cage match at Homestead, should Logano fail to make the final four (or even if he does - Kenseth could harass him all race). NAS-WWE-CAR!

Slap on thw wrist. From what they said on race hub in the 64 year history of NASCAR there had NEVER been a driver suspended for an on track incident.

In 2010 Edwards intentionally wrecked Keselowski's at Atlanta- sent his car flying upside down at Atlanta Motor at 180 miles per hour while about 150 laps down. How many races did Gordon get suspended? ZERO. Probation for three races. No fine, no points penalty.

In 2012 Gordon INTENTIONALLY wrecked Bowyer at the Phoenix Chase race. Bowyer was in the Chase, racing for 5th place late in the race, and in contention for a championship. Gordon intentionally wrecking Bowyer removed Bowyer from Championship contetion. How many races did Gordon get suspended? ZERO. $100k fine, loss of 25 championship driver points. Hendrick was also docked 25 owner points & Gordon and crew chief Alan Gustafson were placed on probation until the end of the year.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQjk1KPDFAE[/youtube]

Last Sunday at Martinsville what got overshadowed with the Gordon win & Kenseth/Logano incident was that Danica Patrick INTENTIONALLY wrecked . ADMITTED as much on the radio. How many races did she get suspended? ZERO. Fined 50k and docked 25 points

Are countless other examples...NASCAR makes itself look stupid with inconsistent rulings....

[BDKJMU]

GD triple post...

[BDKJMU]

Edit: GD double post

[BDKJMU]

Radioactive from Talladega.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pBQSczLLaw[/youtube]

[BDKJMU]

Radioactive Martinsville..
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-LfZaQpKmc[/youtube]

[93henfan]

Holy multiple posting Batman.

And you got bad info. Kyle Busch has been suspended for an on track incident.

Let's face it, nobody has ever impacted a championship chase like Matt Kenseth did last week. I'm right. You're wrong. Let's move on thanks.

Now, props for the one thing you did get right:

NASCAR makes itself look stupid with inconsistent rulings....

[89Hen]

You're biased because of your son's love for the 22.

My nigga Joey just made me Dad of the Year.

A Logano autograph on a yellow flag... how à propos!

[93henfan]

Yellow you say?

[BDKJMU]

Holy multiple posting Batman.

And you got bad info. Kyle Busch has been suspended for an on track incident.

Let's face it, nobody has ever impacted a championship chase like Matt Kenseth did last week. I'm right. You're wrong. Let's move on thanks.

Now, props for the one thing you did get right:

NASCAR makes itself look stupid with inconsistent rulings....

GD sites fault for the GD double post- site was hung up last night.

Uh, no you're not, because you're the only one who has said its a slap on the wrist.

[93henfan]

Holy multiple posting Batman.

And you got bad info. Kyle Busch has been suspended for an on track incident.

Let's face it, nobody has ever impacted a championship chase like Matt Kenseth did last week. I'm right. You're wrong. Let's move on thanks.

Now, props for the one thing you did get right:

GD sites fault for the GD double post- site was hung up last night.

Uh, no you're not, because you're the only one who has said its a slap on the wrist.

It is a slap on the wrist. No fine. No impact on 2016. Just two meaningless races for the 20 team.

Do you think Joe Gibbs is stupid? I don't. Joe Gibbs knew exactly what was going to happen, and he had a duty as owner to ensure it didn't. I would have fined JGR $1M and distributed it to NASCAR charities.

[BDKJMU]

GD sites fault for the GD double post- site was hung up last night.

Uh, no you're not, because you're the only one who has said its a slap on the wrist.

It is a slap on the wrist. No fine. No impact on 2016. Just two meaningless races for the 20 team.

Do you think Joe Gibbs is stupid? I don't. Joe Gibbs knew exactly what was going to happen, and he had a duty as owner to ensure it didn't. I would have fined JGR $1M and distributed it to NASCAR charities.

No-one else in the NASCAR world is calling it a slap on the wrist. I've only heard people talk about the harshness of it.

And this was something Logano brought upon himself..

[93henfan]

It is a slap on the wrist. No fine. No impact on 2016. Just two meaningless races for the 20 team.

Do you think Joe Gibbs is stupid? I don't. Joe Gibbs knew exactly what was going to happen, and he had a duty as owner to ensure it didn't. I would have fined JGR $1M and distributed it to NASCAR charities.

No-one else in the NASCAR world is calling it a slap on the wrist. I've only heard people talk about the harshness of it.

And this was something Logano brought upon himself..

Several called for harsher penalties. Kyle Petty and Larry McReynolds off the top of my head. So, you're wrong once again. Maybe stop digging that hole.

And Logano did nothing approaching what Kenseth did, which is why Kenseth got the penalty, albeit a slap on the wrist, that he did.

[93henfan]

By the way, I attended an event with Matt Kenseth, Casey Kahne, and Dale Earnhardt Jr last year at Martinsville.

Kenseth was a douche there too.

[89Hen]

Radioactive Martinsville..

Greatest race in recent memory. Was replayed several times during this week.

[BDKJMU]

No-one else in the NASCAR world is calling it a slap on the wrist. I've only heard people talk about the harshness of it.

And this was something Logano brought upon himself..

Several called for harsher penalties. Kyle Petty and Larry McReynolds off the top of my head. So, you're wrong once again. Maybe stop digging that hole.

And Logano did nothing approaching what Kenseth did, which is why Kenseth got the penalty, albeit a slap on the wrist, that he did.

Neither one of them called it a slap on the wrist though. You're the one who's digging.

[93henfan]

Ky Busch, Edwards, and Hamlin (all part of Joe Gibbs Racing) cars caught cheating in pre-race inspection. Bondo had been applied under the front splitter to improve aerodynamics.