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HI54UNI wrote:
dbackjon wrote:It's funny how the righties all circle-jerk each other and declare victory when it is clear that they lost.


The GOP tactic across the country, funded by the Koch brothers, is to try to make voting as difficult as possible. This anti-American attempt to thwart our system of government is cheered on by the anti-American posters on this board. Sickening.


All TRUE and PATRIOTIC Americans should embrace:

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National Voting Holidays
Vote by Mail
HI54UNI's Corollary to Godwin's Law is noted.

It is true in this case - Koch brothers and ALEC.
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Voter fraud is nearly non-existent. The voter registration red herring is about diverting your attention from the gaming of electronic voting machines.
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dbackjon wrote:It's funny how the righties all circle-jerk each other and declare victory when it is clear that they lost.


The GOP tactic across the country, funded by the Koch brothers, is to try to make voting as difficult as possible. This anti-American attempt to thwart our system of government is cheered on by the anti-American posters on this board. Sickening.


All TRUE and PATRIOTIC Americans should embrace:

Automatic Voter Registration
National Voting Holidays
Vote by Mail

Nobody is arguing (or at least I don't think anybody is arguing)
That this whole thing won't make voting harder to do - its obvious that it will - that's a given

What's being debated is a States legal right to enact qualifications around the voting process

And I'm not certain I agree with the blanket = "It's un-American" perspective...
It's absolutely an advantage to Republicans if it gets hard to vote
But how does that by definition mean its un-American..?

One of the byproducts of this entire exercise is assuring that minorities
When they do vote - will NEVER vote Republican
They are sealing their own death certificate - it shouldn't bother you to watch them self immolate
and brag about it while thy're doing it...

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I would encourage the Republican party to RACE Headlong down this road
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Voter fraud is nearly non-existent.
That's just a Democrat talking point. The truth is that it's very difficult to document voter fraud. And here really is no legitimate reason to oppose efforts to minimize its likelihood. Like voter ID requirements, for instance. There is no really good reason to take steps to ensure that a voter is who they say they are when they go to vote.

The only reason for the Democratic Party to be opposing such efforts is that they know there IS voter fraud and they know it works to their favor in very close elections. Otherwise they could just as well focus on making sure everybody can get the necessary ID. But that's not what they do. They oppose requiring an ID. That tells...or should tell...you something.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Voter fraud is nearly non-existent.
That's just a Democrat talking point. The truth is that it's very difficult to document voter fraud. And here really is no legitimate reason to oppose efforts to minimize its likelihood. Like voter ID requirements, for instance. There is no really good reason to take steps to ensure that a voter is who they say they are when they go to vote.

The only reason for the Democratic Party to be opposing such efforts is that they know there IS voter fraud and they know it works to their favor in very close elections. Otherwise they could just as well focus on making sure everybody can get the necessary ID. But that's not what they do. They oppose requiring an ID. That tells...or should tell...you something.
Extactly. Since you messed up the quote I don't know which idiot lefty on here claimed that, but that is about as dumb as saying on a highway where 99% of drivers don't get speeding tickets that 99% of them don't exceed the speed limit. No matter how widespread voter fraud is, you'll rarely see it prosecuted. Not enough resources & too hard to prove..
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BDKJMU wrote:Copy and paste of post I made back in Feb 12' of just examples of the shenanigans the donks were pulling between 2006 and 2011
BDKJMU wrote: 9/16/09: 70 former ACORN employees in 12 states convicted of voter fraud
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 61772.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just some of the examples below:

11/1/06: "ACORN Workers Indicted For Alleged Voter Fraud

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Four people have been indicted on charges of voter fraud in Kansas City, officials said Wednesday.
Investigators said questionable registration forms for new voters were collected by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now......"
http://www.kmbc.com/politics/10214492/detail.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

11/12/07: "Felony charges filed against 7 in state's biggest case of voter-registration fraud

King and Pierce County prosecutors filed felony charges today against seven people who allegedly committed the biggest voter-registration fraud in state history.

The defendants, who were paid employees and supervisors of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now....."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... ud26m.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

""Prosecutors: ACORN 2008 Milwaukee Voter Drive "Marred by Fraud"

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- A voter registration drive that the community organizing group ACORN conducted in Milwaukee before the 2008 presidential election was marred by fraud and corruption, prosecutors said Monday.

Two former ACORN employees, Maria Miles and Kevin Clancy, were criminally charged Monday. The complaint accuses them of repeatedly trying to register the same voters more than once to meet a 20-signature-per-day quota imposed by ACORN, the embattled group that advocates for low-income people.

ACORN stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

"Miles stated they were 'all hoodlums' working for ACORN and they all had criminal histories, and that they were going to 'do whatever they had to do' to be able to gain their money at the end of each day," Assistant Attorney General David W. Maas and special agent Peter Thelen wrote in the complaint filed in Milwaukee County.....:
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/86913867.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

11/23/09 Ex-ACORN official gets probation for voter registration plan
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/no ... gistratio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

4/6/2011 "ACORN pleads guilty to felony compensation for registration of voters

The grass-roots community organizing group ACORN once drew the ire of conservative groups and the attention of national media.

And when ACORN faced charges in Las Vegas of voter registration malfeasance in 2008, a flock of political spin doctors and lawyers rushed to its defense.

But three years later, with ACORN's two co-defendants already having taken plea deals and the group essentially defunct and in Chapter 7 bankruptcy, the case received little attention as a lawyer on behalf of ACORN pleaded guilty Wednesday....."
http://www.lvrj.com/news/acorn-pleads-g ... 67839.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

4/10/2011: Judge fines ACORN $5,000 for voter registration scheme

A judge Wednesday slapped the defunct grass-roots community organizing group ACORN with a maximum $5,000 fine for its role in a voter registration compensation scheme in the 2008 election cycle.

District Judge Donald Mosley was confined by statute to fine only the corporation, which pleaded guilty in April to one count of felony compensation for registration of voters.

Mosley said that if there were an individual standing before him, and not a corporation, that person would have been given a 10-year prison sentence, "and I wouldn't have thought twice about it."

The judge chastised the now-bankrupt corporation for making a "mockery" of the nation's election process. "This isn't a banana republic," Mosley said.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/judge-fines-ac ... 67598.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

7/9/08 Funds Misappropriated at 2 Nonprofit Groups

Acorn chose to treat the embezzlement of nearly $1 million eight years ago as an internal matter and did not even notify its board....

...A whistle-blower forced Acorn to disclose the embezzlement, which involved the brother of the organization’s founder, Wade Rathke.

The brother, Dale Rathke, embezzled nearly $1 million from Acorn and affiliated charitable organizations in 1999 and 2000, Acorn officials said, but a small group of executives decided to keep the information from almost all of the group’s board members and not to alert law enforcement....."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/us/09embezzle.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...as documented in a July 2009 report by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, of the 1.3 million registrations Project Vote/ACORN submitted in the 2008 election cycle, more than one-third were invalid..."
http://www.newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/4268" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

".....In Orlando, home to the Magic Kingdom of Disney, Mickey Mouse tried to register. In Indiana there was an application from a sandwich shop called Jimmy Johns. Authorities in Nevada were surprised to receive voter registration forms from the starting line-up of the Dallas Cowboys.

All these applications were provided by the Association of Community Organisations for Reform Now (ACORN), a group that works to register low-income voters. ACORN has been industrious this year, signing up 1.3m voters in 21 states according to its own tallies. But they have run into some trouble; thousands of their voter-registration applications are fakes. In Connecticut a seven-year-old girl applied. A man in Ohio admitted he had signed up with organisers more than 70 times in exchange for cash and cigarettes. In one county in Indiana ACORN turned in 5,000 applications, 2,100 of which were quickly identified as fakes......"
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Voter fraud is nearly non-existent.
That's just a Democrat talking point. The truth is that it's very difficult to document voter fraud. And here really is no legitimate reason to oppose efforts to minimize its likelihood. Like voter ID requirements, for instance. There is no really good reason to take steps to ensure that a voter is who they say they are when they go to vote.

The only reason for the Democratic Party to be opposing such efforts is that they know there IS voter fraud and they know it works to their favor in very close elections. Otherwise they could just as well focus on making sure everybody can get the necessary ID. But that's not what they do. They oppose requiring an ID. That tells...or should tell...you something.
I think your confusing "fraud" with lazy...
Democrats oppose voter ID cards because a significant percentage of Democrat voters
will NEVER fill out a form to vote

It's not the fraud or lack there of that Democrats fear
its the "extra steps" required to get Team Brown and Team Light Brown in the voting booths
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BDKJMU wrote:Ive posted this before. Study done by 2 ODU professors estimates about 14% of 'non citizens" are registered to vote, and 6.4% voted in 2008, and 2.2% in 2010. Note this includes both illegal immigrants and legal immigrants, non citizens who are legal permanent residents, who by law still aren't allowed to vote in federal elections,

So its only natural that the donks would want more non citizens in the country, legal or illegal, as ultimately a small percentage of them will end up voting, and most will vote donk (Obama got an estimated 80% of this non citizen illegal vote in 08').

US Census 2010 had the foreign born non naturalized (non citizen) population in the U.S. at 22.48 million. 6.4% of that is about 1.44 million. 131.3 million voted in 2008. So according to the study about 1.1% would have been illegal votes from non citizens.

"....Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin....."
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Chizzang wrote: One of the byproducts of this entire exercise is assuring that minorities
When they do vote - will NEVER vote Republican
Jesus, you are soooooooooooooooo closed minded...it makes smart people think you aren't as smart as you think you are. :coffee:

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JohnStOnge wrote:
Voter fraud is nearly non-existent.
That's just a Democrat talking point. The truth is that it's very difficult to document voter fraud. And here really is no legitimate reason to oppose efforts to minimize its likelihood. Like voter ID requirements, for instance. There is no really good reason to take steps to ensure that a voter is who they say they are when they go to vote.

The only reason for the Democratic Party to be opposing such efforts is that they know there IS voter fraud and they know it works to their favor in very close elections. Otherwise they could just as well focus on making sure everybody can get the necessary ID. But that's not what they do. They oppose requiring an ID. That tells...or should tell...you something.
But you know its everywhere. :roll:

Its easier to just game the voting machines, John, and you also get the benefit of all the illegal votes that way. I shouldn't have to explain this to you and BDFKWT, this is why your crowd keeps losing. :ohno:
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dbackjon wrote:It's funny how the righties all circle-jerk each other and declare victory when it is clear that they lost.


The GOP tactic across the country, funded by the Koch brothers, is to try to make voting as difficult as possible. This anti-American attempt to thwart our system of government is cheered on by the anti-American posters on this board. Sickening.


All TRUE and PATRIOTIC Americans should embrace:

Automatic Voter Registration
National Voting Holidays
Vote by Mail
Also a "Kick a Banker in the Balls" national holiday. :coffee:
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dbackjon wrote:It's funny how the righties all circle-jerk each other and declare victory when it is clear that they lost.
:rofl: :dunce:

You're one of the top 3 partisan knee jerks on the board.
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houndawg wrote:
dbackjon wrote:It's funny how the righties all circle-jerk each other and declare victory when it is clear that they lost.


The GOP tactic across the country, funded by the Koch brothers, is to try to make voting as difficult as possible. This anti-American attempt to thwart our system of government is cheered on by the anti-American posters on this board. Sickening.


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Automatic Voter Registration
National Voting Holidays
Vote by Mail
Also a "Kick a Banker in the Balls" national holiday. :coffee:
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Cluck U wrote:
Chizzang wrote: One of the byproducts of this entire exercise is assuring that minorities
When they do vote - will NEVER vote Republican
Jesus, you are soooooooooooooooo closed minded...it makes smart people think you aren't as smart as you think you are. :coffee:

:lol:
I see that you deny what the root goal of this entire Republican Voting Certificate exercise is all about
Which is strange - because the brown people and the light brown people see what it's about
and they are NOT confused

:coffee:

Look I don't disagree with the short term play by the Republicans on this one - it will work
But it is a SHORT TERM PLAY and the long term consequences are likely devastating

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AZGrizFan wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Also a "Kick a Banker in the Balls" national holiday. :coffee:
Bring it on, bitch.
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89Hen wrote:
dbackjon wrote:It's funny how the righties all circle-jerk each other and declare victory when it is clear that they lost.
:rofl: :dunce:

You're one of the top 3 partisan knee jerks on the board.
Says our designated pivot man... :ohno:
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"CBS2 Investigation Uncovers Votes Being Cast From Grave Year After Year

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — A comparison of records by David Goldstein, investigative reporter for CBS2/KCAL9, has revealed hundreds of so-called dead voters in Southern California, a vast majority of them in Los Angeles County.

“He took a lot of time choosing his candidates,” said Annette Givans of her father, John Cenkner.

Cenkner died in Palmdale in 2003. Despite this, records show that he somehow voted from the grave in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008 and 2010.

But he’s not the only one.

CBS2 compared millions of voting records from the California Secretary of State’s office with death records from the Social Security Administration and found hundreds of so-called dead voters......"
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/05/ ... fter-year/

One of several reasons we need voter ID laws...
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Governor Robert Bentley's former top advisor and secret paramour Rebekah Mason led a politically-motivated effort in 2015 to close 31 driver's license offices in mostly black counties, a move that embarrassed the state and was later reversed.

The decision also led to a federal investigation and drew civil rights protesters such as Jesse Jackson to the state.

Mason's role was highlighted in a 131-page report released Friday by the investigator leading impeachment efforts against Gov. Bentley, a report largely focused on the relationship between Mason and Bentley.

The report and exhibits can be found here.

According to that report, which was compiled by lead investigator Jack Sharman, it was Mason who "proposed closing multiple driver's license offices throughout the State" and asked the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency to "put together a plan."

According to Sharman's report, former ALEA head Spencer Collier understood Mason's intentions were to have the plan "rolled out in a way that had limited impact on Government Bentley's political allies."

Collier, according to the report, claims he then reported the closure plan to then-Alabama Attorney General Luther Strange's office because he was concerned about a Voting Rights Act violation.

Collier assented to the closure plan, but through the use of an "objective measure based on processed transactions per year to determine which offices to close," the report states.

The closures were estimated to save around $200,000, an extremely small savings in a General Fund that typically has annual shortfalls ranging from $100 million to $200 million.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
Governor Robert Bentley's former top advisor and secret paramour Rebekah Mason led a politically-motivated effort in 2015 to close 31 driver's license offices in mostly black counties, a move that embarrassed the state and was later reversed.

The decision also led to a federal investigation and drew civil rights protesters such as Jesse Jackson to the state.

Mason's role was highlighted in a 131-page report released Friday by the investigator leading impeachment efforts against Gov. Bentley, a report largely focused on the relationship between Mason and Bentley.

The report and exhibits can be found here.

According to that report, which was compiled by lead investigator Jack Sharman, it was Mason who "proposed closing multiple driver's license offices throughout the State" and asked the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency to "put together a plan."

According to Sharman's report, former ALEA head Spencer Collier understood Mason's intentions were to have the plan "rolled out in a way that had limited impact on Government Bentley's political allies."

Collier, according to the report, claims he then reported the closure plan to then-Alabama Attorney General Luther Strange's office because he was concerned about a Voting Rights Act violation.

Collier assented to the closure plan, but through the use of an "objective measure based on processed transactions per year to determine which offices to close," the report states.

The closures were estimated to save around $200,000, an extremely small savings in a General Fund that typically has annual shortfalls ranging from $100 million to $200 million.
http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf ... losur.html
Sky I looked at the numbers on that thing when it first made the news. Using the data available at the time I came up with 71% of the persons in all of the counties where drivers' license closures were proposed being non Hispanic White. That's because, as the article suggests in referring to "rural" counties, the majority Black counties affected have small populations. By the Census estimates available to me at the time the largest population of a majority Black county to be affected was 19,425 (Macon County). An example of a predominantly White county to be affected is Baldwin. Baldwin County had a population of 200,111 persons of which 83% were non Hispanic White.

And if you really look at the numbers there's no "there" there in this. Like look at the map at the article at http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/201 ... drive.html. I'm talking about the one saying the red counties will have no Drivers License offices. See the one at the northwest corner? That's Lauderdale. The current Census population estimate for that county is 92,318 and the latest census estimate on percent White population is 86.8%. Again: None of the predominantly Black counties affected have populations anywhere near that.

Those other three counties in the Northwest in red are Lawrence, Winston, and Franklin. Lawrence is 78.2% White with a population of 33,244. Winston is 96.1% White with a population of 24,483. Franklin is 91.4% White with a population of 31,709.

Again, the most populated affected Black county had a population of 19,425 when I first looked at this issue and now, by the latest Census estimate, it's dropped to 18,963. It's 80.9% Black.

There is absolutely NO question that more Whites than Blacks were affected by the proposal. A LOT more. Not even close. And a lot more Whites than Blacks would've been affected by living in counties with NO drivers license offices.

If you want to you can do what I did and identify the counties in red in that article I linked then look up the Census population and demographics estimates. Do it and you'll see that I'm telling you the truth. This was clearly not a move that would have disproportionately affected Black voters in terms of numbers.
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Just to update and follow up on the intellectual dishonesty of articles such as that at http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/201 ... drive.html. Or maybe it's just intellectual laziness. Notice that in the linked article it says this:
In the 10 counties with the highest proportion of minorities, the state closed driver's license offices in eight. The other two remained open because it might be too much to explain, I suppose, for Alabama not to have driver's license offices in Montgomery or Selma.
There's a link in that language. And if you click on the link you get the article at http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/201 ... are_t.html. There you see this statement:
Take a look at the 10 Alabama counties with the highest percentage of non-white registered voters. That's Macon, Greene, Sumter, Lowndes, Bullock, Perry, Wilcox, Dallas, Hale, and Montgomery, according to the Alabama Secretary of State's office. Alabama, thanks to its budgetary insanity and inanity, just opted to close driver license bureaus in eight of them. All but Dallas and Montgomery will be closed.
Here's the problem with the implication:

If you add up the population of the eight counties where offices were closed you get 96,657 people of which 72% are Black. If you add up the populations of those four northwest Alabama counties I cited in my last post (Lauderdale, Lawrence, Winston, Franklin) where there were to be no drivers' license offices you get 180,995 people of which 87% are White.

21 of the 29 counties to be left with no offices are majority White. So on and so forth.

Oh...last thing: One author made a big deal of saying "All but Dallas and Montgomery will be closed."

Well, Dallas and Montgomery have a total population of 266,357. That's 73% of the population of those "10 Alabama counties with the highest percentage of non-white registered voters."
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The Atlanta Journal Constipation is typical of big city liberal rags. Of course they're not going to go all JSO trying to show this was a big nothing burger in terms of discrimination. Much easier to go with the lazy, liberal 'white conks wanted to disenfranchise the blacks' narrative....
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BDKJMU wrote:The Atlanta Journal Constipation is typical of big city liberal rags. Of course they're not going to go all JSO trying to show this was a big nothing burger in terms of discrimination. Much easier to go with the lazy, liberal 'white conks wanted to disenfranchise the blacks' narrative....
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BDKJMU wrote:The Atlanta Journal Constipation is typical of big city liberal rags. Of course they're not going to go all JSO trying to show this was a big nothing burger in terms of discrimination. Much easier to go with the lazy, liberal 'white conks wanted to disenfranchise the blacks' narrative....
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As I was re-reading this I couldn't help but notice that JSO was mostly republican two years ago. :lol:
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He sure isnt anymore, he is bat shit crazy left of Hillary now.
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