Will FCS Weber beat FBS Wyoming on Sep 5?

[kemajic]

USU will beat NMexico St, Idaho, SUU all for sure. San Jose & LA Tech will likely be losses unless the new coach along with OUR entire WSU staff can change things right away up there in Logan. I think it might be a few yrs if they can really do it.

Now I wouldnt count my thunderbirds out just yet. I personally think that our Offense what with possibly our best O-line we have ever had since joining the FCS, a few really good power running backs, an amazing WR core and alot of talent at QB will see us keep it close with the aggies and we have a veteran D-line and several good DBs coming back so i think we have a good chance to beat them.

Defensive Gameplan: Force Diondre Borrel (their one offensive weapon) to throw 30-40 times during the game. If we shut down the Aggies running ability especially Borrels it would help us go a long way to beating the Aggies in the long run.

Offensive Gameplan: Grind the Aggie defense down with our first great rushing offense in years and then make them pay by spreading it out to our multiple very talented recievers. I think Cade Cooper, the starting QB could really mix things up with his legs as well and im predicting a W in Logan this year,

-SUU 31
-USU 24

USU plays at about the level of the top FCS teams, not at the level of the bottom FCS teams. This suggests you are dreaming (wishin' and hopin').

[Mike Johnson]

I admit to wondering about the SUU at USU game, wondering if it could become a more regular event. If the NCAA ever gets its act together to enforce the attendance rules for I-FBS, USU could find itself reclassified as I-FCS. If that happens (and that remains to be seen), I imagine the Great West would take USU very quickly. It might just be for football, as USU might be successful in getting back into the Big West for most sports. I could see USU competing with UC-Davis, Cal-Poly, and the Dakota schools and of course with its former branch campus in Cedar City.

[SUUTbird]

Yeah there is a little wishing and hoping but im honestly thinking it is a distinct possibility and welcome to the board Mike Johson!! When is Utah Valley getting a football team do you know?

[Mike Johnson]

I don't know when UVU will get a football. I hope it is relatively soon, but in today's economic environment, I don't see them taking the risk.

Thanks for the welcome.

In truth, I am an alumnus and fan of the University of Utah. But, I follow all schools in the state. I do have some personal connections to UVU, so I selected them as my avatar for discussions on this board.

[Wildcat Ryan]

I agree, Wyoming only beat NDSU by 3, NDSU didnt even make the playoffs, and Weber went to the qrts, if Weber was better than NDSU last season, then why shouldnt Weber have a great chance at winning this game?

If you can't win in Missoula, I doubt you can win in Laramie. Montana has never beaten Wyoming.

So by that logic, Montana wouldnt be able to win in Laramie next year either, because you couldnt win in Ogden.

And if you wouldnt be able to beat Wyoming, why do so many UM fans think they would be competitive in the WAC?

[Mike Johnson]

Because the universe revolves around Missoula. At least in some people's mind.

The way I look at it, Weber State had a 17-point win in Ogden and an 11-point loss in Missoula. That is a big swing in home field advantage, but on average, Weber State was the better team.

[Wildcat Ryan]

Because the universe revolves around Missoula. At least in some people's mind.

The way I look at it, Weber State had a 17-point win in Ogden and an 11-point loss in Missoula. That is a big swing in home field advantage, but on average, Weber State was the better team.

Yeah, especially considering Weber won in front of only about 3,753 fans, close to half of at least were Grizzly fans.

other than the really rainy/windy day in Ogden last October, Weber's fanbases werent bad by Weber standards.

Montana Western- 5,182
Dixie State- 8,201
Montana- 3,753
Northern Colorado- 7,320
Portland State- 8,164
Eastern Washington- 8,841

I see those numbers going up this next season, if Weber is able to get a win in Larmie, which will be hard but very doable, or in Ft.Colins which is less likely. I see Weber playing ISU in front of 10K+

And if theoretically speaking, Weber goes undefeated in conf, then Weber will finish the reg season at home vs Cal Ploy in front of 15,000+ even with the Holy War the same day. Weber has the fans, they just need to come out, 17,600 fans came out to watch Mcbrides first game.

[MrTitleist]

Because the universe revolves around Missoula. At least in some people's mind.

The universe will continue to revolve around Missoula until someone can string together the success we've enjoyed here. The road ALWAYS goes through Missoula to get to the chipper, we're ALWAYS a factor to go all the way. Until the day comes we're not a factor, everyone will always circle the Griz on their calendar.

[Wildcat Ryan]

Because the universe revolves around Missoula. At least in some people's mind.

The universe will continue to revolve around Missoula until someone can string together the success we've enjoyed here.The road ALWAYS goes through Missoula to get to the chipper, we're ALWAYS a factor to go all the way. Until the day comes we're not a factor, everyone will always circle the Griz on their calendar.

Thats because Montana always play at home in the playoffs. And as much as I will enjoy watching Weber beat the Griz in missoula for the first time in however many years, the game circled on my calendar isnt Montana its EWU.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

The universe will continue to revolve around Missoula until someone can string together the success we've enjoyed here.The road ALWAYS goes through Missoula to get to the chipper, we're ALWAYS a factor to go all the way. Until the day comes we're not a factor, everyone will always circle the Griz on their calendar.

Thats because Montana always play at home in the playoffs. And as much as I will enjoy watching Weber beat the Griz in missoula for the first time in however many years, the game circled on my calendar isnt Montana its EWU.

Hmmm, I wonder why Montana always plays at home in the playoffs?

[grizzaholic]

Thats because Montana always play at home in the playoffs. And as much as I will enjoy watching Weber beat the Griz in missoula for the first time in however many years, the game circled on my calendar isnt Montana its EWU.

Hmmm, I wonder why Montana always plays at home in the playoffs?

Raises hand.



I know I know!!!

Is it because Montana wins all of the games they can to ensure they will get a home playoff game and not leave it up to the selection committee?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Hmmm, I wonder why Montana always plays at home in the playoffs?

Raises hand.



I know I know!!!

Is it because Montana wins all of the games they can to ensure they will get a home playoff game and not leave it up to the selection committee?

Good job Grizza! You did leave out the fact that in the event that we are not a seeded team our fans do their part and fill the stadium every home game to let the NCAA know that we really care about our home games.

[Grizo406]

Because the universe revolves around Missoula. At least in some people's mind.

The way I look at it, Weber State had a 17-point win in Ogden and an 11-point loss in Missoula. That is a big swing in home field advantage, but on average, Weber State was the better team.

Weber was the much better team in the first game. The Griz got out played, and out coached...simple as that, and it was a great win for the Wildcats.

The Universe most certainly revolved around Missoula in the second game...when it counted, now didn't it, and IMO, the better team won that one?!!?

[grizzaholic]

Raises hand.



I know I know!!!

Is it because Montana wins all of the games they can to ensure they will get a home playoff game and not leave it up to the selection committee?

Good job Grizza! You did leave out the fact that in the event that we are not a seeded team our fans do their part and fill the stadium every home game to let the NCAA know that we really care about our home games.

So do I still get half credit?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Good job Grizza! You did leave out the fact that in the event that we are not a seeded team our fans do their part and fill the stadium every home game to let the NCAA know that we really care about our home games.

So do I still get half credit?

Yes. I am willing to award you the first game but you don't win the game that counts.

[grizzaholic]

So do I still get half credit?

Yes. I am willing to award you the first game but you don't win the game that counts.

[kemajic]

If you can't win in Missoula, I doubt you can win in Laramie. Montana has never beaten Wyoming.

So by that logic, Montana wouldnt be able to win in Laramie next year either, because you couldnt win in Ogden.

Can't win in Ogden? Montana's record in Ogden is 17-6, so that is not difficult. Winning in Laramie is another deal; UM is 0-2 there. I don't see a claim that Montana would win in Laramie, although they would have a better chance than Weber.

[kemajic]

Because the universe revolves around Missoula. At least in some people's mind.

The way I look at it, Weber State had a 17-point win in Ogden and an 11-point loss in Missoula. That is a big swing in home field advantage, but on average, Weber State was the better team.

If you believe that, maybe you can explain these facts:

Montana 19; EWU 3 @ EWU
EWU 33; Weber 26 @ Weber
(Weber lost its last two games to BSC opponents)

Over the years there is little swing in home field advantage. UM is 17-6 in Ogden and 19-6 in Missoula against Weber.

You are right about one thing; even many Montanans note the Missoula-centricity among the fan base. It is the University of Montana, not the University of Missoula.

[SUUTbird]

A big part for the win in Missoula by the Griz over weber came alot from these factors:

-The Griz were a different team then when the cats played them first, Weber got introduced to and run over by Reynolds (amazing rb in my opinion)

-These stats were a big eye opener:
Cameron Higgins vs Montana @ Ogden : 21-30 for 237 yrds 4 TDS and 1 INT
@ Missoula: 18-40 for 270yds 0TDS and 1 INT including 2 fumbles.

The play of Higgins alone put Weber in a hole that they could not recover from.

-The Weber Coaching staff coached an amazing game playing the Griz in Ogden, at Missoula it was some of the worst play calling i have ever seen in my life.

-And i have to give it to the Griz, though i have yet to experience it. The home crowd in Missoula is simply just amazing, loud and rowdy and right on the field. I and im sure tons of other teams are envious of this advantage.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

A big part for the win in Missoula by the Griz over weber came alot from these factors:

-The Griz were a different team then when the cats played them first, Weber got introduced to and run over by Reynolds (amazing rb in my opinion)

-These stats were a big eye opener:
Cameron Higgins vs Montana @ Ogden : 21-30 for 237 yrds 4 TDS and 1 INT
@ Missoula: 18-40 for 270yds 0TDS and 1 INT including 2 fumbles.

The play of Higgins alone put Weber in a hole that they could not recover from.

-The Weber Coaching staff coached an amazing game playing the Griz in Ogden, at Missoula it was some of the worst play calling i have ever seen in my life.

-And i have to give it to the Griz, though i have yet to experience it. The home crowd in Missoula is simply just amazing, loud and rowdy and right on the field. I and im sure tons of other teams are envious of this advantage.

Turnovers are a part of the game. The Griz didn't play well in Ogden by turning the ball over in key places on the field and allowing a very good offense to score points easily on short fields. The average drive length for a score was something like 35yds for Weber. That was third in a series of games that the Griz could not hold onto the ball and the next game is when Chase Reynolds emerged as the rb that he turned out to be last year.

[Wildcat Ryan]

So by that logic, Montana wouldnt be able to win in Laramie next year either, because you couldnt win in Ogden.

Can't win in Ogden? Montana's record in Ogden is 17-6, so that is not difficult. Winning in Laramie is another deal; UM is 0-2 there. I don't see a claim that Montana would win in Laramie, although they would have a better chance than Weber.

What is it with most Montana fans and not being able to understand what other people write?

I never said Montana cant win in Ogden, I SAID THEY COULDNT WIN IN OGDEN, AS IN LAST YEAR.

And if this Weber State team which is the best in school history cant win in "the most glorious football stadium in the world with the best atmosphere (even though there are stadiums 2,3,4,5,6,7 times the size of WGS) against the almighty God's gift to Earth Montana Grizzlies" means they cant compete with Wyoming, then the Almighty God's gift to Earth Montana Grizzlies who lost in Ogden dont have a chance against Wyoming. And if you cant compete with Wyoming, WHY IN THE HECK DO YOU ALL THINK YOU WOULD BE COMPETITIVE IN THE WAC??? All but about 3 Wac schools would beat Wyoming.

Oh and you cant say The Almighty God's gift to Earth Montana Grizzlies would have a better chance at beating Wyoming than Weber State, because Montana would never be able to prove it, because UM would rather stay at home and play D2 schools every year than play up.

[kemajic]

Can't win in Ogden? Montana's record in Ogden is 17-6, so that is not difficult. Winning in Laramie is another deal; UM is 0-2 there. I don't see a claim that Montana would win in Laramie, although they would have a better chance than Weber.

What is it with most Montana fans and not being able to understand what other people write?

I never said Montana cant win in Ogden, I SAID THEY COULDNT WIN IN OGDEN, AS IN LAST YEAR.

And if this Weber State team which is the best in school history cant win in "the most glorious football stadium in the world with the best atmosphere (even though there are stadiums 2,3,4,5,6,7 times the size of WGS) against the almighty God's gift to Earth Montana Grizzlies" means they cant compete with Wyoming, then the Almighty God's gift to Earth Montana Grizzlies who lost in Ogden dont have a chance against Wyoming. And if you cant compete with Wyoming, WHY IN THE HECK DO YOU ALL THINK YOU WOULD BE COMPETITIVE IN THE WAC??? All but about 3 Wac schools would beat Wyoming.

Oh and you cant say The Almighty God's gift to Earth Montana Grizzlies would have a better chance at beating Wyoming than Weber State, because Montana would never be able to prove it, because UM would rather stay at home and play D2 schools every year than play up.

My, such a long history as an also-ran (in record and attendance) leaves a very visible chip on the shoulder. Excused; tough duty. However, one four loss year does not make a successful program, nor a substantial platform for your rants.

Separate of your Montana love and more relevent to the discussion, you're underestimating Wyoming, particularly at home. There are not 6 WAC teams that would beat Wyoming at home; that is grossly excessive hyperbole. Only Boise St. has done it in recent years. Appy State is still smarting from the 53-7 beating they took there.

[Wildcat Ryan]

What is it with most Montana fans and not being able to understand what other people write?

I never said Montana cant win in Ogden, I SAID THEY COULDNT WIN IN OGDEN, AS IN LAST YEAR.

And if this Weber State team which is the best in school history cant win in "the most glorious football stadium in the world with the best atmosphere (even though there are stadiums 2,3,4,5,6,7 times the size of WGS) against the almighty God's gift to Earth Montana Grizzlies" means they cant compete with Wyoming, then the Almighty God's gift to Earth Montana Grizzlies who lost in Ogden dont have a chance against Wyoming. And if you cant compete with Wyoming, WHY IN THE HECK DO YOU ALL THINK YOU WOULD BE COMPETITIVE IN THE WAC??? All but about 3 Wac schools would beat Wyoming.

Oh and you cant say The Almighty God's gift to Earth Montana Grizzlies would have a better chance at beating Wyoming than Weber State, because Montana would never be able to prove it, because UM would rather stay at home and play D2 schools every year than play up.

My, such a long history as an also-ran (in record and attendance) leaves a very visible chip on the shoulder. Excused; tough duty. However, one four loss year does not make a successful program, nor a substantial platform for your rants.

Separate of your Montana love and more relevent to the discussion, you're underestimating Wyoming, particularly at home. There are not 6 WAC teams that would beat Wyoming at home; that is grossly excessive hyperbole. Only Boise St. has done it in recent years. Appy State is still smarting from the 53-7 beating they took there.

But Montana can compete in the WAC, they just got the worst thrashing since playing in Iowa to lowley Weber State, but they can compete in the WAC.

And Im pretty sure App st has forgotten all about that since beating Michigan.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

My, such a long history as an also-ran (in record and attendance) leaves a very visible chip on the shoulder. Excused; tough duty. However, one four loss year does not make a successful program, nor a substantial platform for your rants.

Separate of your Montana love and more relevent to the discussion, you're underestimating Wyoming, particularly at home. There are not 6 WAC teams that would beat Wyoming at home; that is grossly excessive hyperbole. Only Boise St. has done it in recent years. Appy State is still smarting from the 53-7 beating they took there.

But Montana can compete in the WAC, they just got the worst thrashing since playing in Iowa to lowley Weber State, but they can compete in the WAC.

And Im pretty sure App st has forgotten all about that since beating Michigan.

What's really funny is that for Montana losing by 17 points on the road when we turned the ball over 6 times is a thrashing.

You have quite the flair for the drama. Nobody said anything about "lowly Weber State" those are your words and emotion. Sorry some of us feel that Weber will lose this game. I would feel like Montana would lose that game also.

The fact that App State did go to the Big House and win kinda makes the point that a real solid team like App going into Laramie and losing handily means that it is tough place to play. Another epic fail with that one Wildcat.

I also like that you can't focus long enough to use the discussions here as your case. You need to keep going back to arguments posted by others on another board. If kemajic is one of the posters saying it then I can see you using it on him but you've brought it up repeatedly to other Griz fans that don't.

[weberwildcat]

Will Wyo pull a Belichick and film Weber's practices to make sure they don't lose to an FCS?