Lowenbrau?Ibanez wrote:It was a Lowenbrau.Cluck U wrote:
Discussions over good beer...really good beer.
OK, joe, ya' got me...there is a God.
Nothing wrong with a Lowenbrau. He said good beer. Not GREAT beer.Cluck U wrote:Lowenbrau?Ibanez wrote: It was a Lowenbrau.
You consider that a good beer?
Blasphemy! You certainly are going to Hell. The only way you can save yourself is to donate your taste buds to an organ donor program and hope that the next person forgives you.
I'm sure it was what we could afford at the time. Bud or Miller in a plastic pitcher, then served in clear 12-ounce Solo cups. $4 a pitcher.Ibanez wrote:It was a Lowenbrau.Cluck U wrote:
Discussions over good beer...really good beer.
OK, joe, ya' got me...there is a God.
Hmmm...now you have me thinking that God's perceived existence is relative to the quality of beer consumed, but please do not confuse that with the porcelain god's existence being relative to the quantity of beer consumed.JoltinJoe wrote:I'm sure it was what we could afford at the time. Bud or Miller in a plastic pitcher, then served in clear 12-ounce Solo cups. $4 a pitcher.Ibanez wrote: It was a Lowenbrau.
Ibanez wrote:I pretty much share your belief. The following is a general series of question, not directed at you.Cluck U wrote:
Joe, I appreciate your responses...I really do. I don't agree with you, but when you aren't being snarky you can provide some context into your beliefs.
So you believe the Devil exists. That deserves the question, "why does God let the Devil exist?" Yup, you are correct that if there is a God that is involved, as you say, then I certainly blame God for Evil. God created EVERYTHING (you can't get around that no matter where you go), therefor, God created the Devil. If you lay out a possibility that perhaps God didn't create the Devil...man did, with his free will, then I will say that was equivalent to a parent giving a 1 year old a loaded gun and then attributing any accidents to the child's free will.
Seriously, what parent, in their right mind, would create such an environment?
Perhaps God first needs to forgive himself.
As to everlasting life...yeah, hell of a story. Complicated. Lots of different ideas about that, and some here will say that Christians simply stole that from other religions/faiths/whatever. Again, the possibility of eternal life varies according to one's belief system, but you choose a God with a specific plan. Strange plan. Hey, suffer, but believe in me and you'll be saved. Otherwise, fvck you and your poor choice.
Sorry, joe...that doesn't seem very loving.
We all die, joe. No one gets out alive. I am at peace with that. If there is some energy that gets passed on to another plane...woo-hoo! Not sure I will remember myself...but the idea that some God has planned it all out and will reward only those who believe in Him, is odd, and, if you'll pardon the expression, beyond belief. A different idea is that you die knowing that you did your best for yourself and those around you. I think my grandfather on my mother's side was generally happy with his life. My father...perhaps not so much. Me? I want to continue living my life as best I can and hoping my son can enjoy life to his liking. I can die peacefully with that thought. I also have hope that future generations of humans will figure out how to ignore the petty things and make something good for themselves. A belief in a benevolent God is not needed to embrace my positive outlook, and I don't believe that life simply is about dead children and Evil's victory.
To each his own. But no one should be immune to, or embarrassed by, others questioning their beliefs. We're social animals...communication is important. If someone throws out a thought, idea, or law, it needs to be challenged. That is how we evolve (although some folks didn't get the memo).
BTW, thanks for the book recommendation.
If God created everything, why did he create evil? Why create evil then punish us for it? I was never able to reconcile the two Gods. I was never able to reconcile the God of the OT (vengeful) with the God of the NT(all loving).
It's like having a drunk and abusive father in the morning, but at night he turns into a loving, caring person.
Do we really have free will? If you tell me that i'm going to hell unless I go to Church and adhere to rules, then is my following them truly my own will? Aren't you taking away my free will of a child with your threat of damnation?
Is there any act that is truly of your own volition or is every act a response to something?
To take it further, if God is good and God created everything, then logically wouldn't anything he created be good? Take free will out of it because out of everything he's created, we only recognize 1 species with that capability. Opium is good. Cannabis is good. Tobacco is good. It's human intervention, in those situations, that make them "bad".
There probably isn't a correct answer for any of those questions. Each and every time I question religion, the answer inevitably boils down to, "have faith."
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89Hen wrote:They still make Lowenbrau?
Yup. It's still served at Oktoberfest. Only beers that are brewed in Munich are permitted to be sold at Oktoberfest.
Owned by A-BIbanez wrote:89Hen wrote:They still make Lowenbrau?
Yeah...Oktoberfest.Ibanez wrote:89Hen wrote:They still make Lowenbrau?
There you go again with that establishment shyt, Iconocluck. Keep on stickin' it to The Man!Cluck U wrote:Yeah...Oktoberfest.Ibanez wrote:
And Bud Light is the official beer of the Super Bowl.
Seems as though large German and American corporations agree that keeping good beers from the masses is a good thing for the establishment.
Here's to good friends.89Hen wrote:They still make Lowenbrau?
Now, that's gay!andy7171 wrote:Here's to good friends.89Hen wrote:They still make Lowenbrau?
Tonight is kind a special.
The beer we'll pour must say something more, some how.
So tonight, tonight!
Let it be Lowenbrau.
That's DISGUSTING, Andy!andy7171 wrote:IvyTalk is stalking me! You're gonna make bandle jealous!
Damn, I thought trout season began the first Saturday in April.Ivytalk wrote:There you go again with that establishment shyt, Iconocluck. Keep on stickin' it to The Man!Cluck U wrote:
Yeah...Oktoberfest.
And Bud Light is the official beer of the Super Bowl.
Seems as though large German and American corporations agree that keeping good beers from the masses is a good thing for the establishment.
Ivytalk wrote:IconocluckCluck U wrote:
Yeah...Oktoberfest.
And Bud Light is the official beer of the Super Bowl.
Seems as though large German and American corporations agree that keeping good beers from the masses is a good thing for the establishment.
I swear, when I first read this I thought you wrote 'vegetarians' instead of egalitarians....and you know what....it stands true if you replace it with vegetarians (or even worse, vegans and crossfitters).JohnStOnge wrote:You know, you could start a thread like this about liberal/progressive/egalitarians. If data appear to contradict what they think, they're not going to buy it regardless. They have their cherished beliefs and if the data contradict them they're going to try to find some reason for not believing any contradiction.
And Montanarians.bandl wrote:I swear, when I first read this I thought you wrote 'vegetarians' instead of egalitarians....and you know what....it stands true if you replace it with vegetarians (or even worse, vegans and crossfitters).JohnStOnge wrote:You know, you could start a thread like this about liberal/progressive/egalitarians. If data appear to contradict what they think, they're not going to buy it regardless. They have their cherished beliefs and if the data contradict them they're going to try to find some reason for not believing any contradiction.
Correct...on some things.JohnStOnge wrote:You know, you could start a thread like this about liberal/progressive/egalitarians. If data appear to contradict what they think, they're not going to buy it regardless. They have their cherished beliefs and if the data contradict them they're going to try to find some reason for not believing any contradiction.
So stoning virgins is what exactly then, quantum physics..?JoltinJoe wrote:Since college, I've been drawn to the idea that objective truth involves the intersection of our intuitions about physics, quantum physics, metaphysics, and theology. I've long believed in parallel dimensions.
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