Here's an example of States Rights...

[Chizzang]

Wisconsin is banning laws that ban plastic bags...
Yeah that's right Scott Walker is a "States Rights Guy"
who thinks he should decide for local communities what they should do for themselves

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolit ... 41231.html

States rights is about people organizing on smaller levels and thinking about what's best for them
So why would a GOP States Rights guy stop local people from deciding for themselves
Hes acting like the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT he so viciously condemns

F*cking classic GOP style hypocrisy

[dbackjon]

Arizona is trying to ban (and reverse bans in place) cities/counties from requiring all pet stores to sell only shelter pets (ie no puppy mills)


There are many other examples from Arizona where the State GOP run Legislature is trying to consolidate power at the state level, banning cities and counties from a wide-variety of actions

[JohnStOnge]

Yes I think local communities should be free to ban plastic bags if they want to. I'd be pissed if my community did it. But I think they should be free to do so.

[Baldy]

Wisconsin is banning laws that ban plastic bags...
Yeah that's right Scott Walker is a "States Rights Guy"
who thinks he should decide for local communities what they should do for themselves

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolit ... 41231.html

States rights is about people organizing on smaller levels and thinking about what's best for them
So why would a GOP States Rights guy stop local people from deciding for themselves
Hes acting like the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT he so viciously condemns

F*cking classic GOP style hypocrisy

Hmmm the state is protecting their citizens right to use plastic bags.

Fucking Fascists.

[Chizzang]

Wisconsin is banning laws that ban plastic bags...
Yeah that's right Scott Walker is a "States Rights Guy"
who thinks he should decide for local communities what they should do for themselves

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolit ... 41231.html

States rights is about people organizing on smaller levels and thinking about what's best for them
So why would a GOP States Rights guy stop local people from deciding for themselves
Hes acting like the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT he so viciously condemns

F*cking classic GOP style hypocrisy

Hmmm the state is protecting their citizens right to use plastic bags.

Fucking Fascists.

Cute but No..
Taking their right to decide away and lording over everybody..?
Just like when the Nanny State congress makes a decision for ALL



Double Standards still apply I see

[Baldy]

Hmmm the state is protecting their citizens right to use plastic bags.

Fucking Fascists.

Cute but No..
Taking their right to decide away and lording over everybody..?
Just like when the Nanny State congress makes a decision for ALL



Double Standards still apply I see

Interesting. So protecting the individual's right from an overreaching local authoritarian power is now "lording over everybody".

The only ones who are trying to take away an individual's free choice are the local power lords.

And you think the these municipalities aren't making a decision for ALL who reside within their jurisdiction.

How cute.

[andy7171]

HHHmmm The State Governor is trying to ban the use of harmful products in his own State. Is this effecting anyone outside of Wisconsin? Did the Wisconsin people, including D1B, not vote for him to be in office?


HHHmmmm.

[kalm]

HHHmmm The State Governor is trying to ban the use of harmful products in his own State. Is this effecting anyone outside of Wisconsin? Did the Wisconsin people, including D1B, not vote for him to be in office?


HHHmmmm.

I think you need to read the article again.

[GannonFan]

Wisconsin is banning laws that ban plastic bags...
Yeah that's right Scott Walker is a "States Rights Guy"
who thinks he should decide for local communities what they should do for themselves

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolit ... 41231.html

States rights is about people organizing on smaller levels and thinking about what's best for them
So why would a GOP States Rights guy stop local people from deciding for themselves
Hes acting like the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT he so viciously condemns

F*cking classic GOP style hypocrisy

No offense, but that's just a flat out stupid argument. The guy can't really be for states rights (which is defined as the relationship between the federal government and the state) because within his own state the state law trumps the local municipalities? To borrow the line from ESPN's Monday Night Countdown segment, come on, man! You can take your faulty logic on that to it's natural progression, each level of government can't decide for the next smaller level of government, and so on, until you get down to the individual and no one can tell him/her what to do. The problem is, states rights was never about that, it did always stop at the state level in terms of control. I think you're fishing way too far here.

Oh, btw, I'm not a big states rights guy at all - I'm very Hamiltonian, federal govt rules.

[CAA Flagship]

Why can't the hippies still use their burlap bags?

[89Hen]

Yes I think local communities should be free to ban plastic bags if they want to. I'd be pissed if my community did it. But I think they should be free to do so.

My county hasn't banned them, but if you want a bag at a store, they have to charge you $0.05 for every bag... and it doesn't matter if it's plastic or paper. Now everyone brings their reusable bags to the grocery store. I usually just carry out all my stuff in my arms. Where it's a real PITA is at the mall. Stop in to buy a shirt and tie... do you want a bag for that? I will say, they've successfully legislated a change in behavior. Everyone has their reusable bags.

County part deux... they've passed legislation to ban the use of cosmetic pesticides and herbicides by homeowners. Can still buy them, just can't use them. That means fertilizer, weed control, Roundup, etc... starting in 2018.

[CAA Flagship]

Yes I think local communities should be free to ban plastic bags if they want to. I'd be pissed if my community did it. But I think they should be free to do so.

My county hasn't banned them, but if you want a bag at a store, they have to charge you $0.05 for every bag... and it doesn't matter if it's plastic or paper. Now everyone brings their reusable bags to the grocery store. I usually just carry out all my stuff in my arms. Where it's a real PITA is at the mall. Stop in to buy a shirt and tie... do you want a bag for that? I will say, they've successfully legislated a change in behavior. Everyone has their reusable bags.

County part deux... they've passed legislation to ban the use of cosmetic pesticides and herbicides by homeowners. Can still buy them, just can't use them. That means fertilizer, weed control, Roundup, etc... starting in 2018.

Nothing like new legislation that can't be enforced.

[bandl]

County part deux... they've passed legislation to ban the use of cosmetic pesticides and herbicides by homeowners. Can still buy them, just can't use them. That means fertilizer, weed control, Roundup, etc... starting in 2018.

There's a similiar law up here. Lawn care professionals (my other biz) can't put down fert between December 1st and April 1st because of potential run-off from potentially frozen ground.
Homeowners can do what they want.
Asinine thing about the law is that ALL lawn care professionals in NY have to be certified and trained by the state. So we would/should know better than to put down fertilizer on frozen ground while homeowners don't and can do whatever the fuck they want.

[89Hen]

Can still buy them, just can't use them. That means fertilizer, weed control, Roundup, etc... starting in 2018.

Nothing like new legislation that can't be enforced.

The police will just drive around looking for green, weed free lawns and serve notice. I can't figure out if this will put landscapers out of business or if it will increase their business. They won't be allowed to use the chemicals either.

[CAA Flagship]

Nothing like new legislation that can't be enforced.

The police will just drive around looking for green, weed free lawns and serve notice. I can't figure out if this will put landscapers out of business or if it will increase their business. They won't be allowed to use the chemicals either.

http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesd ... esticides/

It's not enforceable.

[Chizzang]

Wisconsin is banning laws that ban plastic bags...
Yeah that's right Scott Walker is a "States Rights Guy"
who thinks he should decide for local communities what they should do for themselves

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolit ... 41231.html

States rights is about people organizing on smaller levels and thinking about what's best for them
So why would a GOP States Rights guy stop local people from deciding for themselves
Hes acting like the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT he so viciously condemns

F*cking classic GOP style hypocrisy

No offense, but that's just a flat out stupid argument. The guy can't really be for states rights (which is defined as the relationship between the federal government and the state) because within his own state the state law trumps the local municipalities? To borrow the line from ESPN's Monday Night Countdown segment, come on, man! You can take your faulty logic on that to it's natural progression, each level of government can't decide for the next smaller level of government, and so on, until you get down to the individual and no one can tell him/her what to do. The problem is, states rights was never about that, it did always stop at the state level in terms of control. I think you're fishing way too far here.

Oh, btw, I'm not a big states rights guy at all - I'm very Hamiltonian, federal govt rules.

Just because you cannot see the blatant hypocrisy says nothing about the example
Frankly it says a lot more about you...

This Governor is one of the loudest talkers
about empowering the people of his state to decide for themselves
Then he sneaks a bill through that takes "the power" out of the peoples hands

Also you obviously didn't read the article...
he has just about the lowest Governor approval rating in the United States
and it's gone down 3 points since this article was written
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/352127891.html

[Chizzang]

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[Baldy]

Just because you cannot see the blatant hypocrisy says nothing about the example
Frankly it says a lot more about you...

This Governor is one of the loudest talkers
about empowering the people of his state to decide for themselves
Then he sneaks a bill through that takes "the power" out of the peoples hands

The governor signs a bill that gives the ultimate power to the people so they alone can decide (not a municipal fiat) if they want to use plastic bags or not, BUT he is the one taking "the power out of the peoples hands".

Only the mind of a Liberal can come up with shit that crazy.

[kalm]

Just because you cannot see the blatant hypocrisy says nothing about the example
Frankly it says a lot more about you...

This Governor is one of the loudest talkers
about empowering the people of his state to decide for themselves
Then he sneaks a bill through that takes "the power" out of the peoples hands

The governor signs a bill that gives the ultimate power to the people so they alone can decide (not a municipal fiat) if they want to use plastic bags or not, BUT he is the one taking "the power out of the peoples hands".

Only the mind of a Liberal can come up with shit that crazy.

Yes! Gooooo direct democracy! I know how much you guys LOVE that concept.

Next thing ya know, conks are going to be advocating for increasing voter numbers. Even for those without property.

[Baldy]

The governor signs a bill that gives the ultimate power to the people so they alone can decide (not a municipal fiat) if they want to use plastic bags or not, BUT he is the one taking "the power out of the peoples hands".

Only the mind of a Liberal can come up with shit that crazy.

Yes! Gooooo direct democracy! I know how much you guys LOVE that concept.

Next thing ya know, conks are going to be advocating for increasing voter numbers. Even for those without property.

Yeah, kinda like how Donks are "Pro-Choice" and all that.

[Chizzang]

Just because you cannot see the blatant hypocrisy says nothing about the example
Frankly it says a lot more about you...

This Governor is one of the loudest talkers
about empowering the people of his state to decide for themselves
Then he sneaks a bill through that takes "the power" out of the peoples hands

The governor signs a bill that gives the ultimate power to the people so they alone can decide (not a municipal fiat) if they want to use plastic bags or not, BUT he is the one taking "the power out of the peoples hands".

Only the mind of a Liberal can come up with shit that crazy.

You keep dancing...
around the point, and you're too fat to dance old man



Aren't going to use you logic to explain his low approval rating - it' because he so well liked

[Baldy]

The governor signs a bill that gives the ultimate power to the people so they alone can decide (not a municipal fiat) if they want to use plastic bags or not, BUT he is the one taking "the power out of the peoples hands".

Only the mind of a Liberal can come up with shit that crazy.

You keep dancing...
around the point, and you're too fat to dance old man



Aren't going to use you logic to explain his low approval rating - it' because he so well liked

Dancing

I'm doing a TD dance all over your "point" while I spike the football in your face.

If the state passed a law and made it a requirement for its citizens to use plastic bags, you would be on point. The governor signed a law to prevent local governments from making a similar requirement. Let the people choose for themselves if they want to use plastic bags or not.

Why do you hate choice?

Poll numbers?

Just an attempt by you to deflect and hijack your own thread when you saw it starting to head downhill.

[kalm]

You keep dancing...
around the point, and you're too fat to dance old man



Aren't going to use you logic to explain his low approval rating - it' because he so well liked

Dancing

I'm doing a TD dance all over your "point" while I spike the football in your face.

If the state passed a law and made it a requirement for its citizens to use plastic bags, you would be on point. The governor signed a law to prevent local governments from making a similar requirement. Let the people choose for themselves if they want to use plastic bags or not.

Why do you hate choice?

Poll numbers?

Just an attempt by you to deflect and hijack your own thread when you saw it starting to head downhill.

Exactly! The state government should be deciding for each town because...people should choose for themselves!

[kalm]

It's contagious and Arizona wants to use it against any disagreeable law. I'm so glad the state government has decided to the give people back their power.

Gov. Doug Ducey on Thursday signed legislation cutting state shared revenue from municipalities and counties that pass regulations like plastic bag bans that conflict with state law.

The action came hours after the organization representing all 91 Arizona cities and towns called on the Republican governor to veto the bill. The letter to Ducey from the League of Arizona Cities and Towns says the measure is heavy-handed and intrusive, and it minimizes the important role of local elected officials.

"The elimination of shared revenue from cities and towns is a crippling and unjust penalty since it represents an average of 40 percent of a city's general fund," said the letter signed by the mayors of Tempe, Lake Havasu City and Chandler in the roles as league leaders.

But Ducey was unpersuaded. He had vowed in his state-of-the-state address to cut state shared revenue to any city that adopted a minimum wage that was higher than the state's, even though the law allows that.

"As Governor Ducey has made clear, for Arizona to be competitive, we can't have a patchwork of different laws across the state," spokeswoman Annie Dockendorff said in a statement. "This legislation ensures everyone is playing by the same rules."

The state sent nearly $1.1 billion from income and sales taxes to 91 cities and towns in the budget year that ended June 30.

The Republican-dominated Arizona Legislature has taken a firm stance in recent years against cities that enact laws popular in liberal enclaves, such as plastic-bag bans and rules governing energy efficiency in buildings.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStor ... e-37730786

[Baldy]

Dancing

I'm doing a TD dance all over your "point" while I spike the football in your face.

If the state passed a law and made it a requirement for its citizens to use plastic bags, you would be on point. The governor signed a law to prevent local governments from making a similar requirement. Let the people choose for themselves if they want to use plastic bags or not.

Why do you hate choice?

Poll numbers?

Just an attempt by you to deflect and hijack your own thread when you saw it starting to head downhill.

Exactly! The state government should be deciding for each town because...people should choose for themselves!

You're not Pro-Choice.
That's not very progressive.

What if the town decided to ban windmills?

...or
Birkenstocks?

...or
tie dye shirts?

...or
solar panels?


Nannystatist.