Fight for $15

[SDHornet]

Automation is certainly coming.

And, unfortunately, I don't think raising the minimum wage is an answer for these minimum wage jobs. It's simply a band-aid. And, it won't make any lasting difference.

I agree. I thought you were on to something and then...

I think a better solution is a "universal basic income." Giving everyone - regardless of income level a set wage every month and giving it equally according to cost of living.

By doing this we could eliminate social security, food stamps, and most other social safety nets. So, perhaps some conservatives could get on board (lol).

You go full commie retard on us. As if more government is the right solution to this problem.

But if this were to happen, sign me up because fvck work.

[Baldy]

Say WHAT? How about we just get to keep more of what we actually ALREADY make?

Crazy talk.

Spoiler: show

[andy7171]

But if this were to happen, sign me up because fvck work.

This. This. And this. Which is why it won't ever work.

[dbackjon]

I was talking to a gas station owner yesterday who was talking to a Balt. Co. police officer. (we were in line to use the bathroom. The old man was saying how McDonalds already has a "proto-type" store that is fully automated. Makes sense, I guess. I love the Royal Farms automated menu at the deli bar. It takes somekind of stupid to fuck up a clean well typed out order on a receipt. Cashiers are the first to go in fast food. The dummies running the fires and assembling stations can't be far behind.

Those dumb fucks trying to make a living in fast food are in for a rude awakening.

Shit, I made minimum wage bouncing in college. $15 is over double what I made. I'd sacrifice a night or two of sound sleep for a nice $15/hr paycheck!

Just an FYI - the McDonald's "prototype" store that was an internet meme going around was the McDonalds right by my work - and I can assure you it is still fully staffed by humans.

While many fast food restaurants are experimenting with automation (no different than self-checkout at grocery stores that have been in place for decades) the idea of a totally automated McDonalds is pure fantasy.

[Ibanez]

I was talking to a gas station owner yesterday who was talking to a Balt. Co. police officer. (we were in line to use the bathroom. The old man was saying how McDonalds already has a "proto-type" store that is fully automated. Makes sense, I guess. I love the Royal Farms automated menu at the deli bar. It takes somekind of stupid to fuck up a clean well typed out order on a receipt. Cashiers are the first to go in fast food. The dummies running the fires and assembling stations can't be far behind.

Those dumb fucks trying to make a living in fast food are in for a rude awakening.

Shit, I made minimum wage bouncing in college. $15 is over double what I made. I'd sacrifice a night or two of sound sleep for a nice $15/hr paycheck!

Just an FYI - the McDonald's "prototype" store that was an internet meme going around was the McDonalds right by my work - and I can assure you it is still fully staffed by humans.

While many fast food restaurants are experimenting with automation (no different than self-checkout at grocery stores that have been in place for decades) the idea of a totally automated McDonalds is pure fantasy.

Well..DUH! Someone has sweep the floors.

[andy7171]

I was talking to a gas station owner yesterday who was talking to a Balt. Co. police officer. (we were in line to use the bathroom. The old man was saying how McDonalds already has a "proto-type" store that is fully automated. Makes sense, I guess. I love the Royal Farms automated menu at the deli bar. It takes somekind of stupid to fuck up a clean well typed out order on a receipt. Cashiers are the first to go in fast food. The dummies running the fires and assembling stations can't be far behind.

Those dumb fucks trying to make a living in fast food are in for a rude awakening.

Shit, I made minimum wage bouncing in college. $15 is over double what I made. I'd sacrifice a night or two of sound sleep for a nice $15/hr paycheck!

Just an FYI - the McDonald's "prototype" store that was an internet meme going around was the McDonalds right by my work - and I can assure you it is still fully staffed by humans.

While many fast food restaurants are experimenting with automation (no different than self-checkout at grocery stores that have been in place for decades) the idea of a totally automated McDonalds is pure fantasy.

[CAA Flagship]

Just an FYI - the McDonald's "prototype" store that was an internet meme going around was the McDonalds right by my work - and I can assure you it is still fully staffed by humans.

While many fast food restaurants are experimenting with automation (no different than self-checkout at grocery stores that have been in place for decades) the idea of a totally automated McDonalds is pure fantasy.

Andy,
Understand that testing like this is done out west. They figure if the dumbest of our population can figure it out, it definitely won't be a problem with the EC(b) folks.

[dbackjon]

Just an FYI - the McDonald's "prototype" store that was an internet meme going around was the McDonalds right by my work - and I can assure you it is still fully staffed by humans.

While many fast food restaurants are experimenting with automation (no different than self-checkout at grocery stores that have been in place for decades) the idea of a totally automated McDonalds is pure fantasy.

The first supermarket self-checkout system was installed in 1992 in the Price Chopper Supermarket in New York by inventor of self-checkout Dr. Howard Schneider.

In the 1990s self-checkouts where chosen by the Kroger chain in U.S. and then by many supermarket chains throughout the U.S., Canada, UK and Australia.


So yes, decades. At least in civilized areas. Not sure about Baltimore

[YoUDeeMan]

$15 minimum wage is nuts.

There HAS to be some sort of differentiation in wages for younger workers or part time workers.

My community pool is struggling with the recent two-step minimum raise to $8.25/hour for our part time, 16 year old life guards. The kids were earning $7.25 a couple years ago...and now the dumb Donks have passed a proposal that will raise the minimum wage to $10.25/hour by 2020...50 cents each year.

Hello...our budget's biggest line is salary...by far. Take 5 hour shifts per day, 3 kids per shift, 2 shifts, 7 days per week, 14 weeks in the season. At $7.25/hour that equals $21,315. At $10.25/hour it equals $30,135.

That's an $8,820 difference. And that doesn't include the taxes we have to pay...including, unbelievably, unemployment insurance, so toss in another couple thousand dollars. And since our pool liability insurance cost is also based upon our payroll, that cost will also go up dramatically.

We have about 150 members. We'll have to raise rates about $75 per member in order to fund the cost of guards. We just raised our rates $25 to cover the interest payments of an anticipated loan to resurface our pool...and we will be asking for donations to cover a large part of that resurfacing.

Considering that our Senior (over 65) membership is only $175, the $75 increase to cover minimum wage is a huge increase. The $75 is still a big increase for families that normally pay an average of about $450.

All of our local pools are struggling. Water rates have gone up...electricity rates have gone up. It is expensive for many.

Here's the thing...a few pool pay their guards, and swim team staff, cash under the table. I have a feeling that others will join that trend.

No exceptions to the minimum wage increase is ridiculous.

Edit: the swim team will also have to increase their pay. Toss in $4,000 more.

[houndawg]

Automation is certainly coming.

And, unfortunately, I don't think raising the minimum wage is an answer for these minimum wage jobs. It's simply a band-aid. And, it won't make any lasting difference.

I think a better solution is a "universal basic income." Giving everyone - regardless of income level a set wage every month and giving it equally according to cost of living.

By doing this we could eliminate social security, food stamps, and most other social safety nets. So, perhaps some conservatives could get on board (lol).

At, it has some precedence among our founders (Thomas Paine, Agrarian Jusice):
http://www.constitution.org/tp/agjustice.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrarian_Justice

Sign me up now. I'm tired of waking up early!

The Swiss will be voting on a referendum about a basic income in September.

Most people would keep work of some kind anyway.

[AZGrizFan]

There's no way these jobs will ever exist long term at much higher salaries. If we are insistent to have companies raise their pay rates substantially they will certainly cut back and begin to automate more than they do now. And the ones that do that better than others will thrive while there'll be companies that do it poorly and they will suffer and fade away. Darwinism at the corporate level is fine with me.

We have 71 branches. On average, each branch has 8 tellers. On average, a teller makes $11/hr. Increasing their wages to a $15 minimum would hit our bottom line for roughly $4,725,760 each year. That would require us to either a) institute some fee(s) that would cover the additional expense (monthly checking account fee, paper statement fee, teller access fee, etc., etc.) or b) close 10 branches (costing 100 people their jobs) or c) raise loan rates or d) lower savings rates. It's a zero-sum game for most businesses....for each action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

It ain't rocket science, people.

[Ivytalk]

There's no way these jobs will ever exist long term at much higher salaries. If we are insistent to have companies raise their pay rates substantially they will certainly cut back and begin to automate more than they do now. And the ones that do that better than others will thrive while there'll be companies that do it poorly and they will suffer and fade away. Darwinism at the corporate level is fine with me.

We have 71 branches. On average, each branch has 8 tellers. On average, a teller makes $11/hr. Increasing their wages to a $15 minimum would hit our bottom line for roughly $4,725,760 each year. That would require us to either a) institute some fee(s) that would cover the additional expense (monthly checking account fee, paper statement fee, teller access fee, etc., etc.) or b) close 10 branches (costing 100 people their jobs) or c) raise loan rates or d) lower savings rates. It's a zero-sum game for most businesses....for each action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

It ain't rocket science, people.

It's credit unions!

[dbackjon]

There's no way these jobs will ever exist long term at much higher salaries. If we are insistent to have companies raise their pay rates substantially they will certainly cut back and begin to automate more than they do now. And the ones that do that better than others will thrive while there'll be companies that do it poorly and they will suffer and fade away. Darwinism at the corporate level is fine with me.

We have 71 branches. On average, each branch has 8 tellers. On average, a teller makes $11/hr. Increasing their wages to a $15 minimum would hit our bottom line for roughly $4,725,760 each year. That would require us to either a) institute some fee(s) that would cover the additional expense (monthly checking account fee, paper statement fee, teller access fee, etc., etc.) or b) close 10 branches (costing 100 people their jobs) or c) raise loan rates or d) lower savings rates. It's a zero-sum game for most businesses....for each action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

It ain't rocket science, people.

So an average teller is making $22K a year. From a Credit Union. That is not supposed to be an entry level job.

Question - what is the executive total payroll?

[AZGrizFan]

We have 71 branches. On average, each branch has 8 tellers. On average, a teller makes $11/hr. Increasing their wages to a $15 minimum would hit our bottom line for roughly $4,725,760 each year. That would require us to either a) institute some fee(s) that would cover the additional expense (monthly checking account fee, paper statement fee, teller access fee, etc., etc.) or b) close 10 branches (costing 100 people their jobs) or c) raise loan rates or d) lower savings rates. It's a zero-sum game for most businesses....for each action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

It ain't rocket science, people.

So an average teller is making $22K a year. From a Credit Union. That is not supposed to be an entry level job.

Question - what is the executive total payroll?

LOL. Uh....yes, it is Jon. It doesn't GET any entry-leveler than that.

[Ibanez]

We have 71 branches. On average, each branch has 8 tellers. On average, a teller makes $11/hr. Increasing their wages to a $15 minimum would hit our bottom line for roughly $4,725,760 each year. That would require us to either a) institute some fee(s) that would cover the additional expense (monthly checking account fee, paper statement fee, teller access fee, etc., etc.) or b) close 10 branches (costing 100 people their jobs) or c) raise loan rates or d) lower savings rates. It's a zero-sum game for most businesses....for each action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

It ain't rocket science, people.

So an average teller is making $22K a year. From a Credit Union. That is not supposed to be an entry level job.

Question - what is the executive total payroll?

At any bank, a teller position is entry level.

[SDHornet]

So an average teller is making $22K a year. From a Credit Union. That is not supposed to be an entry level job.

Question - what is the executive total payroll?

At any bank, a teller position is entry level.

Not in Jon's gay ass world.

[bandl]

So an average teller is making $22K a year. From a Credit Union. That is not supposed to be an entry level job.

Question - what is the executive total payroll?

At any bank, a teller position is entry level.

Counting 20's is HARD!
And don't even TALK about counting coins...

[Skjellyfetti]

I think a better solution is a "universal basic income." Giving everyone - regardless of income level a set wage every month and giving it equally according to cost of living.

By doing this we could eliminate social security, food stamps, and most other social safety nets. So, perhaps some conservatives could get on board (lol).

Say WHAT? How about we just get to keep more of what we actually ALREADY make?

You do realize what I posted allows you to keep more of your money, right?





And, does conservatism have any kind of solution to this?

[Pwns]

So guaranteed income will be cheaper than SS and welfare?

[Skjellyfetti]

Yes, here's a libertarian hero explaining it.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtpgkX588nM[/youtube]

[89Hen]

So an average teller is making $22K a year. From a Credit Union. That is not supposed to be an entry level job.

Question - what is the executive total payroll?

LOL. Uh....yes, it is Jon. It doesn't GET any entry-leveler than that.

That's what I was thinking. The tellers I've seen come and go every couple months and are never the sharpest tools in the shed.

[Skjellyfetti]

Why Milton Friedman Supported a Guaranteed Income

Milton Friedman proposed to give everybody free money in his book “Capitalism and Freedom”. He mostly referred to this plan as a negative income tax (and he also referred to it as a guaranteed income because that’s exactly what it is.) But why would Milton Friedman, an outspoken free market capitalist, support giving people money for nothing? Here are 5 reasons backed by Friedman’s own words.

1. To Reduce Government Bureaucracy

A single guaranteed income program could replace the current government maze and mess of 126 separate anti-poverty programs.

We should replace the ragbag of specific welfare programs with a single comprehensive program of income supplements in cash — a negative income tax. It would provide an assured minimum to all persons in need, regardless of the reasons for their need…A negative income tax provides comprehensive reform which would do more efficiently and humanely what our present welfare system does so inefficiently and inhumanely.

2. The Efficiency of Free Markets

Markets allow people to vote with their dollars. Businesses must compete for these dollars/votes by offering a better price or higher quality product. That goes for food, housing, nearly anything. But in order for this voting power to work, people must have at least a minimum amount of money to vote with, and they must have the freedom to choose how to spend it.

The proposal for a negative income tax is a proposal to help poor people by giving them money, which is what they need, rather than as now, by requiring them to come before a government official to tally all their assets and liabilities and be told that you may spend X dollars on rent, Y dollars on food, etc.

3. To End the Welfare Trap
With a guaranteed income it pays to work. You can always work to earn more. However, the current welfare system punishes you for working. If you take a job and increase your income, you lose your benefits. A guaranteed income removes that disincentive to work, and allows everyone to earn more without being penalized.

The number of people on welfare has been skyrocketing. Why? Because once they get on welfare, we make it almost impossible for them to get off. In order for somebody who gets on to get off, he or she has to be able to have a really good job, because to get off gradually, to earn a little bit, now doesn’t pay…

4. To Enable Work

Removing the burden of needing to earn an income, even partially, will help enable people to do work that is otherwise not compensated in a free market economy, such as charity or volunteer work.

One of the great virtues of the negative income tax, in my opinion, is that by taking off the mass burden of income maintenance it would make it possible for private charitable organizations to do [charity work].

5. Justice & Equality
Civil Rights leader Martin Luther King proposed a guaranteed income to promote justice and equality. Milton Friedman (although more concerned with reducing government) agreed:

The virtue of [a negative income tax] is precisely that it treats everyone the same way…there’s none of this unfortunate discrimination among people.

https://medium.com/basic-income/why-mil ... .o85kwl3r8

[dbackjon]

So an average teller is making $22K a year. From a Credit Union. That is not supposed to be an entry level job.

Question - what is the executive total payroll?

LOL. Uh....yes, it is Jon. It doesn't GET any entry-leveler than that.

Ok - so first you are saying that fast food is entry level, then you keep expanded who is entry level and not worthy of making a living. Typical 1%.

[dbackjon]

LOL. Uh....yes, it is Jon. It doesn't GET any entry-leveler than that.

That's what I was thinking. The tellers I've seen come and go every couple months and are never the sharpest tools in the shed.

Well, if you paid a living wage, you wouldn't attract the dregs of society...

[89Hen]

LOL. Uh....yes, it is Jon. It doesn't GET any entry-leveler than that.

Ok - so first you are saying that fast food is entry level, then you keep expanded who is entry level and not worthy of making a living. Typical 1%.

I'd be willing to wager you don't personally know a single one percenter.