Obamas actions show Bush was correct on terrorists

[Appaholic]

Shows me Obama, unlike Bush, is willing to be a realist when confronted with all the facts and make an informed opinion instead of "staying the course" in the face of new revelations that your original course of action may not be prudent....at least he has the political courage to piss of his base.....

That's like saying I thouhgt my way was right so I stayed the course. You went your way, made a left, found a map and decided my way was the right direction. Yet somehow, I'm still wrong.

On this issue, agree. But, what if he had stayed the course with his original intention regardless of info from knowledgable consultants for an aditional 3 years at a cost of American lives? At least he can admit being initially wrong and not waiting for his farewell press conference after wasting American lives to acknowledge that "maybe, you know, I'm not all-knowing and infallible"........

[Cap'n Cat]

That's like saying I thouhgt my way was right so I stayed the course. You went your way, made a left, found a map and decided my way was the right direction. Yet somehow, I'm still wrong.

On this issue, agree. But, what if he had stayed the course with his original intention regardless of info from knowledgable consultants for an aditional 3 years at a cost of American lives? At least he can admit being initially wrong and not waiting for his farewell press conference after wasting American lives to acknowledge that "maybe, you know, I'm not all-knowing and infallible"........

Reppies. Native, please read.

[SeattleGriz]

Shows me Obama, unlike Bush, is willing to be a realist when confronted with all the facts and make an informed opinion instead of "staying the course" in the face of new revelations that your original course of action may not be prudent....at least he has the political courage to piss of his base.....

I wish I could remember who wrote the article the other day about Obama changing course, but a lot of what he said was due to almost EVERY President becomming more conservative on military matters once they get a real dose of what is happening and who our enemies really are.

Nonetheless, Obama now aligning himself with Bush era policy, at the risk of alienating the dailykos crowd, shows Bush and his cowboy henchmen were right.

[Appaholic]

Shows me Obama, unlike Bush, is willing to be a realist when confronted with all the facts and make an informed opinion instead of "staying the course" in the face of new revelations that your original course of action may not be prudent....at least he has the political courage to piss of his base.....

I wish I could remember who wrote the article the other day about Obama changing course, but a lot of what he said was due to almost EVERY President becomming more conservative on military matters once they get a real dose of what is happening and who our enemies really are.

Nonetheless, Obama now aligning himself with Bush era policy, at the risk of alienating the dailykos crowd, shows Bush was right.

As Joe Scarborough put it on Morning Joe today, Obama's becoming a realist now that he is privy to more information. H e should be commended for being willing to alienate his base in order to make an informed decision. The last president to do that? Ronald Reagan.........this from a former GOP congressman....

[Cap'n Cat]

Obama will be just fine. Why? The guy's not an asshole.

[native]

On this issue, agree. But, what if he had stayed the course with his original intention regardless of info from knowledgable consultants for an aditional 3 years at a cost of American lives? At least he can admit being initially wrong and not waiting for his farewell press conference after wasting American lives to acknowledge that "maybe, you know, I'm not all-knowing and infallible"........

Reppies. Native, please read.

The point is well taken!

[Ibanez]

That's like saying I thouhgt my way was right so I stayed the course. You went your way, made a left, found a map and decided my way was the right direction. Yet somehow, I'm still wrong.

On this issue, agree. But, what if he had stayed the course with his original intention regardless of info from knowledgable consultants for an aditional 3 years at a cost of American lives? At least he can admit being initially wrong and not waiting for his farewell press conference after wasting American lives to acknowledge that "maybe, you know, I'm not all-knowing and infallible"........

You've got to love logic.

[SeattleGriz]

Had to bring this one up from the dead because Obama has fully shown he was speaking out his arse on the topic of anti terrorism. Obama has kept fully intact the Bush anti terror program.

When are we going to hear the Libs cry over impeachment for allowing the destruction of our Constitution?

[Cleets Part 2]

You've got to love logic.

Ummm...This cartoon is not "logic" - what it's showing is an example of "assumptive reasoning" which is actually fairly illogical - you will find that most practices of faith require Assumptive Reasoning as well

I'm not uncomfortable with assumptive reasoning - but it's not my favorite use of raw data

[native]

Here's an idea for ya' Cap...

Since the former is so small and the latter is so large, it SHOULD be a trivial exercise. Besides, there is an umlimited quantity of lubricant excreting constantly from both ends to facilitate the job.

[native]

On this issue, agree. But, what if he had stayed the course with his original intention regardless of info from knowledgable consultants for an aditional 3 years at a cost of American lives? At least he can admit being initially wrong and not waiting for his farewell press conference after wasting American lives to acknowledge that "maybe, you know, I'm not all-knowing and infallible"........

Reppies. Native, please read.

Agree with both Appy and WR.

[SeattleGriz]

I am ecstatic Obama has vindicated Bush by copying his policies verbatim, I just want to know when the Libs are going to start calling for his impeachment like they did Bush.

Seems to be a very large double standard here.

[Cleets Part 2]

I am ecstatic Obama has vindicated Bush by copying his policies verbatim, I just want to know when the Libs are going to start calling for his impeachment like they did Bush.

Seems to be a very large double standard here.

The nature of abstracting vs. the nature of insertion are implied to be identical in your statement... because someone might remove the stabbed knife the same way the killer would remove the knife does not make both men killers...

[native]

I am ecstatic Obama has vindicated Bush by copying his policies verbatim, I just want to know when the Libs are going to start calling for his impeachment like they did Bush.

Seems to be a very large double standard here.

The nature of abstracting vs. the nature of insertion are implied to be identical in your statement... because someone might remove the stabbed knife the same way the killer would remove the knife does not make both men killers...

My pomposity is merely smug. Yours is breathtakingly arrogant!

Reppies again to the Pot of Pomposity from the Kettle.

[Cleets Part 2]

The nature of abstracting vs. the nature of insertion are implied to be identical in your statement... because someone might remove the stabbed knife the same way the killer would remove the knife does not make both men killers...

My pomposity is merely smug. Yours is breathtakingly arrogant!

Reppies again to the Pot of Pomposity from the Kettle.

which shows that you do not even understand my point...

[native]

My pomposity is merely smug. Yours is breathtakingly arrogant!

Reppies again to the Pot of Pomposity from the Kettle.

which shows that you do not even understand my point...

I am only modestly bright, not brilliant like you Cleets! Sometimes you have to just spell it out to us pseudo-intellectuals.

Are you saying that Bush is the killer and that Obama is merely removing the knife?

[Cleets Part 2]

which shows that you do not even understand my point...

I am only modestly bright, not brilliant like you Cleets! Sometimes you have to just spell it out to us pseudo-intellectuals.

Are you saying that Bush is the killer and that Obama is merely removing the knife?

It has been implied in this thread that Obama is acting like Bush
solely based on the observation that he might be withdrawing the troops in the same manner Bush might have...

to me that argument is the same as saying - just because I might remove a stabbed knife from the body the same way the killer would remove the knife - does not mean I would have stabbed that person..!!!

Penguins are black and white
old TV shows are black and white
therefore penguins are old TV shows

I thought we went through this already... cheer up - Jeezus saves

[BlueHen86]

I am ecstatic Obama has vindicated Bush by copying his policies verbatim, I just want to know when the Libs are going to start calling for his impeachment like they did Bush.

Seems to be a very large double standard here.

As far as Iraq Bush got us into a mess with no easy way out. Obama was wrong to say he would get us out quickly, and has changed his policy accordingly. The fact that Obama is doing the right thing now doesn't vindicate Bush for getting us into Iraq in the first place.

That vindication, if it is to come, will take time. It is possilbe that someday historians will look back on the invasion of Iraq as a positive step in the war on terror. I doubt it, but I wouldn't rule it out either.

[dbackjon]

Obama might be coming to the same conclusion that the way to clean up Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld's mess is the same way that BCR ended up concluding does in NO WAY vindicate Bush.

All it means is that BCR finally got a competent person (Gates) about 5 years too late in the proper position.

It does not excuse Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld for STARTING THE WAR in the first place, nor excuse them for the incompetent manner in which it was conducted.

[Col Hogan]

I am ecstatic Obama has vindicated Bush by copying his policies verbatim, I just want to know when the Libs are going to start calling for his impeachment like they did Bush.

Seems to be a very large double standard here.

As far as Iraq Bush got us into a mess with no easy way out. Obama was wrong to say he would get us out quickly, and has changed his policy accordingly. The fact that Obama is doing the right thing now doesn't vindicate Bush for getting us into Iraq in the first place.

That vindication, if it is to come, will take time. It is possilbe that someday historians will look back on the invasion of Iraq as a positive step in the war on terror. I doubt it, but I wouldn't rule it out either.

I predict that the vindication will not come for one simple reason...by going into Iraq, Bush diverted attention and resources from the real target in the "War on Terrorism" in Afghanistan...allowing it to fester and grow till we have the mess we face today...Historians will not be very forgiving of Bush on that count...

[AZGrizFan]

As far as Iraq Bush got us into a mess with no easy way out. Obama was wrong to say he would get us out quickly, and has changed his policy accordingly. The fact that Obama is doing the right thing now doesn't vindicate Bush for getting us into Iraq in the first place.

That vindication, if it is to come, will take time. It is possilbe that someday historians will look back on the invasion of Iraq as a positive step in the war on terror. I doubt it, but I wouldn't rule it out either.

I predict that the vindication will not come for one simple reason...by going into Iraq, Bush diverted attention and resources from the real target in the "War on Terrorism" in Afghanistan...allowing it to fester and grow till we have the mess we face today...Historians will not be very forgiving of Bush on that count...

If Iraqi democracy fails, Bush is fucked. If Iraq's democracy (in it's twisted form) succeeds, Bush will get much more of a pass from historians.

[Cleets Part 2]

If Iraqi democracy fails, Bush is ****. If Iraq's democracy (in it's twisted form) succeeds, Bush will get much more of a pass from historians.

Operation Iraqi Freedom..!!! (Yee-Haw)

[SeattleGriz]

I am ecstatic Obama has vindicated Bush by copying his policies verbatim, I just want to know when the Libs are going to start calling for his impeachment like they did Bush.

Seems to be a very large double standard here.

The nature of abstracting vs. the nature of insertion are implied to be identical in your statement... because someone might remove the stabbed knife the same way the killer would remove the knife does not make both men killers...

I don't care what Obama does. He has already proven he was not "in the know" when he promised to undo all of Bush's anti terror policies and then copied them exactly.

I am waiting for his sheeple to start protesting on the bridges and calling for his impeachment because he has allowed the same anti terror policies that a unilateralist cowboy came up with to stand.

Obama is trying to pull the "Jedi Mind Trick" by simply waving his hand and declaring he is fixing or eliminating Bush's anti terror policies. None of that has happened. He is full of crap.

Your knife analogy doesn't apply here. The killer was the Iraq war, I am talking about anti terror policies that were derived from 9/11, something Bush did not bring upon this nation. Obama said he would "fix" those atrocities and has done squat of what he promised.

[SeattleGriz]

I am ecstatic Obama has vindicated Bush by copying his policies verbatim, I just want to know when the Libs are going to start calling for his impeachment like they did Bush.

Seems to be a very large double standard here.

As far as Iraq Bush got us into a mess with no easy way out. Obama was wrong to say he would get us out quickly, and has changed his policy accordingly. The fact that Obama is doing the right thing now doesn't vindicate Bush for getting us into Iraq in the first place.

That vindication, if it is to come, will take time. It is possilbe that someday historians will look back on the invasion of Iraq as a positive step in the war on terror. I doubt it, but I wouldn't rule it out either.

That is called a flip flop. Obama knew what was going on long before he started spouting off promises on the campaign trail.

Pretty much everyone knows Obama had to start so far left as to beat the Clintons, he had nowhere to go but towards the center. I am just dumbfounded at how many people are giving him a free pass with how much he is allowed to flip flop back to the center.

As far as Bush, is the same to be said of N Korea? We already have been down Obama's road to negotiation with Clinton and Halfbright. That didn't work. Isolating NK like Bush did didn't work either. You can't work with madmen, but apparently the left only complains when a conservative does anything.

Saddam was no different and would have provided WMD's to anyone who could afford it. Dead Kurds prove that.

[dbackjon]

Don't worry Dana - the left is already turning on the Corporatist slime that is Obama...