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93henfan wrote:Hey another question on Wentz: has he ever heard boos before?

Has he ever had anyone audibly question his sexuality or the proclivity of his mother to sleep with said heckler?

These things may or may not happen with some regularity in Philadelphia. Just want to make sure he's not a mental marshmallow. This is a big boy football town. Not a Green Bay where they clap when the team loses.
He wasn't treated too kindly by UNI fans in his trip to the UNIDome. He got beat by 20 and this was his stat line.

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clenz wrote:
93henfan wrote:Hey another question on Wentz: has he ever heard boos before?

Has he ever had anyone audibly question his sexuality or the proclivity of his mother to sleep with said heckler?

These things may or may not happen with some regularity in Philadelphia. Just want to make sure he's not a mental marshmallow. This is a big boy football town. Not a Green Bay where they clap when the team loses.
He wasn't treated too kindly by UNI fans in his trip to the UNIDome.
But those were opposing fans. Wentz's biggest problem now is his own team's fans.
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clenz wrote: He wasn't treated too kindly by UNI fans in his trip to the UNIDome.
But those were opposing fans. Wentz's biggest problem now is his own team's fans.
Right.

If he couldn't handle the opposing teams fans when he actually played in a hostile environment - UNI and Montana- how's he going to handle his own fans turning against him?

NDSU is a cult when I comes to football. Every player up there is treated like a god on earth.
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clenz wrote:
Mvemjsunpx wrote:
But those were opposing fans. Wentz's biggest problem now is his own team's fans.
Right.

If he couldn't handle the opposing teams fans when he actually played in a hostile environment - UNI and Montana- how's he going to handle his own fans turning against him?

NDSU is a cult when I comes to football. Every player up there is treated like a god on earth.
Fair enough. He definitely wasn't the reason NDSU lost in Missoula, though.
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Here's a prime example of Philly media trying to make something of nothing. They're reporting that Carson was "booed at the airport by Philly fans".

More like "booed by one unemployed loser who hounded him from the plane to his limo all the way through the concourse".

I'm glad Carson stiffed this fucking loser. Although I guess the autograph, which he would have immediately sold on EBay, might have helped him move out of his parents' house.

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93henfan wrote:Here's a prime example of Philly media trying to make something of nothing. They're reporting that Carson was "booed at the airport by Philly fans".

More like "booed by one unemployed loser who hounded him from the plane to his limo all the way through the concourse".

I'm glad Carson stiffed this **** loser. Although I guess the autograph, which he would have immediately sold on EBay, might have helped him move out of his parents' house.

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He probably spend half a day at the airport, plus he had to purchase the item to get signed, transportation to and from the airport. $20 for a non-authenticated autograph on eBay. I don't see much profit there.
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Gil Dobie wrote:Scheels in Fargo has assimilated
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The black jersey is bad luck.
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I heard that Wentz is the top jersey seller for May in the NFL.

Again, no lofty expectations or pressure, son. Take all the time you need.

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93henfan wrote:The black jersey is ugly and stupid.
FIFY.

Still can't figure out why they won't go back to these as their third (I'd actually love to see it as their #1)...

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89Hen wrote:
93henfan wrote:The black jersey is ugly and stupid.
FIFY.

Still can't figure out why they won't go back to these as their third (I'd actually love to see it as their #1)...

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That would be an admission my Lurie that all the money he spent on rebranding after he bought the team was a failure.
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93henfan wrote:
89Hen wrote: FIFY.

Still can't figure out why they won't go back to these as their third (I'd actually love to see it as their #1)...

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That would be an admission my Lurie that all the money he spent on rebranding after he bought the team was a failure.
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The NFL has a one helmet rule, which is why the Jags color out game last year features their two tone helmet rather than just the gold one.

I remember reading about the issue of alternate uniforms in the NFL a while back and essentially the uniform rules make it essentially impossible for most teams to have a completely different t look than their standard uniform.
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Quick Google search to find what I read before turned up some other results
https://www.reddit.com/r/eagles/comment ... ey_change/

Well, during Howie's radio show last year he was asked about this and seemed to downplay the possibility. Apparently any change has to go through various committees at the NFL for approval and, best case scenario, if they submit a uniform change they might be able to actually wear it 2 years down the line. There's a lot of rules involving NFL uniforms, they can't have more than 3 for a whole season and they can only appear in the alternate one time without seeking reapproval for another time.

Now, after those comments I heard other things, which may or may not be true but were said with authority so I might as well note them. Mr. Luries ex-wife, who is still involved with the organization, hates the color Kelly green and was apparently a driving force behind going to Midnight. Apparently people believe she has said in the past she would never allow it to go back to Kelly green as long as she was involved. I don't really know what the ex wife of an Owner can do or how much power she still yields, but like I said, the hosts seem to think that is the way it is.
The other thing to remember is that a uniform switch isn't a guaranteed success for a team. Everyone has midnight green jerseys now, that took time...about a decade to really switch over. People dont just rush out and buy new jerseys when they're released (maybe people on the internet do, Idk, but IRL they don't).
There are always rumors they will switch back. Personally, I hope they go to something totally new. I doubt it will happen. They have a lot of branding, painting and logo stuff tied up in the current setup, which I don't think anyone is that upset with. It would cost a fortune to switch uniforms, and they would have to be sure theyd make that back in jersey and memorabilia sales.
I think this is what I read a year ago or so
http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/08/0 ... n-jerseys/

Eagles president Don Smolenski caused a stir this morning when he said on 94 WIP’s morning show that the Eagles were considering wearing the kelly green jerseys again. The station trumpeted it as a major change, and Smolenski seemed to hint at nefarious plots against kelly green: “We have talked about it and there are some rules with the NFL that provide some restrictions that we’re trying to work through, but that’s going to take some time.”

Eagles fans – at least ones with taste, unlike Foobooz editor Arthur Etchells, who prefers the current “midnight green” teal-ish uniforms — rejoiced. A return to the obviously superior kelly green color scheme, finally!

But it turns out the Eagles just want to wear kelly green occasionally, as a third jersey. Currently, the Eagles wear their black jerseys as their alternate colors. (I prefer these to the midnight green ones. Kelly green and white — and black jerseys twice a season — would be the ideal combo.) [img]But%20there’s%20an%20issue:%20Due%20to%20new%20helmet%20safety%20protocols%20in%20the%20wake%20of%20the%20NFL%20concussion%20lawsuits,%20teams%20can’t%20wear%20one-off%20helmets%20anymore.[/img]

The league could probably grant the Eagles a dispensation, but that would only be likely for a special event (such as the 50th anniversary of the 1960 championship team in 2010 — the sole time the Eagles have worn kelly green since 1995 — or the 2007 75th anniversary throw backs). But maybe not: Last season, the Buccaneers were scheduled to wear their old creamsicle jerseys but didn’t after being told they’d have to wear their current helmets. The Head, Neck and Spine Committee and the Player Safety Advisory Panel made the recommendation to keep one helmet the entire season last year.

As Birds 24/7’s Tim McManus explained in February of last year, the team is unlikely to wear kelly green anytime soon. The NFL tightly regulates teams’ colors and style. The stadium is kind of colored midnight green. The Eagles would have to buy all new seats! They’re not going to replace all the seats at Lincoln Financial Field until they can at least sell them as “the seats from the Super Bowl season!” And who knows if that will ever happen!

You can keep wishing all you want, but it appears we’re stuck with the midnight green jerseys.
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This article, revolving around Philly, comes up when researching the one helmet rule
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/08/a- ... ement.html

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The helmet issue came up for the first time last season when the Buccaneers were scheduled to wear their creamsicle throwbacks but canceled due to the new helmet rule. The NFL will talk about “vetting helmets in practice” and all of that, but the issue is that some players wear old, discontinued models of helmets (which have been “vetted” in practice, games, etc.).

When teams would have throwback uniforms with different color helmets, the old, “vetted” helmet types aren’t available for those games because they’re out of production. If a player were to get a concussion, the player could yell, “The NFL made me change [to a newer, probably better] helmet design, and I got a concussion! I never got a concussion in my old helmet. Pay me.” It’s not great science, as the new helmet designs are considered better, but speaking of bad science, there’s nothing that says a properly broken-in (er, “vetted”) helmet performs better. Just that NFL doesn’t want to be dictating anything more about helmets than the absolute minimum. Follow the liability.

The logistics of changing all of the current (metallic Midnight Green) helmets to glossy Kelly Green for one or two games are pretty much unworkable given the need to sand, buff, primer, paint, clear, re-apply decals for the entire team, and hold practice using that same headgear.

The Rams got around it last year for their throwbacks (normally in navy, throwbacks in royal blue) by simply changing the decals on their helmets, creating a blue mismatch. That could be done with a hair dryer and a few minutes (at most) per helmet, but it isn’t really suitable for the Eagles. They could put the old style wings without the shading and aggressive wing pattern, but the base color would still be way off.

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Um, nah.

That’s the best way I can follow up that earlier post about the Eagles considering a switch back to Kelly Green uniforms. Even though Don Smolenski, on the WIP Morning Show, said, in no uncertain terms, that the Eagles were considering them (here at 7:40 mark), it seems that’s not really the case. Two reasons:

1) Eliot Shorr-Parks reports that Smolenski was referring to alternate jerseys, like the ones the Eagles wore in 2010, not the uniforms overall. That is, to say the least, disappointing. This is something almost every fan wants, so it’s disheartening to learn that Eagles still aren’t considering a major change.

2) Les Bowen reports on a weird NFL rule having to do with concussion protocols that require teams to wear the same helmets even when in their alternate uniforms:

Turns out, the Eagles might like for us to see it, but the league has put in a rule that says you have to wear the same helmet, regardless of what you do with the rest of the uniform. So right now, if the Eagles dressed in kelly green, they’d have to do so with midnight green helmets, which would look silly.

The rule has to do with concussion protection, making sure the fit is right and helmets are thoroughly vetted in practice and so on before they’re worn in games. Of course, it would be possible to do this with any color helmet, but right now, that’s the rule. So it would have to be changed for kelly green to happen, Eagles sources say.

What? First of all, the quality of helmet has little impact on concussions. Usually it’s a shot to the jaw or a hard enough blow that causes the head to literally stop moving forward and the brain to, um, not. Second, HAVE THE HELMET MAKERS NOT YET ACHIEVED A HIGH ENOUGH YIELD TO BE ABLE TO CONSISTENTLY PRODUCE IDENTICAL HELMETS?* And if not, then why is this sort of a selling point? I don’t understand why a helmet needs to be practiced in to be deemed safe.

To me, the only solution is for the Eagles to WEAR THE KELLY GREEN ALL THE TIME. ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME, JEFFREY LURIE? I’M YELLING!

*Weirdly, fashion editor Dan does this sort of thing for a living. Dan, can you help here? DAN?!
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Everyone has midnight green jerseys now, that took time...about a decade to really switch over. People dont just rush out and buy new jerseys when they're released (maybe people on the internet do, Idk, but IRL they don't)... It would cost a fortune to switch uniforms, and they would have to be sure theyd make that back in jersey and memorabilia sales.
:suspicious: Teams do it ALL the time and we're only talking a shade change, back to one that was once used.

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89Hen wrote:
Everyone has midnight green jerseys now, that took time...about a decade to really switch over. People dont just rush out and buy new jerseys when they're released (maybe people on the internet do, Idk, but IRL they don't)... It would cost a fortune to switch uniforms, and they would have to be sure theyd make that back in jersey and memorabilia sales.
:suspicious: Teams do it ALL the time and we're only talking a shade change, back to one that was once used.

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NHL is a lot more lenient on logo/color changes than the NBA/NFL/MLB. NBA it takes a few years to fully go through a rebrand. Atlanta just did it and it had to change logo one year, wait another, then change colors. NHL does everything it can to keep the small fan base it has and attempts to do anything to grow fans base size. Other sports don't need that.

In the NFL I believe the process would be 2, minimum, and likely 3 or 4 years to get through all of the committees and approvals to get a change done and finished.
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It's why the Jets didn't go back to a green helmet for their color rush game with all green uniforms
Bills went red uniforms but didn't bring back the red helmet
Cowboys wore all white but silver helmet
Titans all powder blue with white and navy helmet
Jags went all gold but had to keep black two tone helmet
Carolina went teal with silver helmet
Bucs went all read with their gunmetal helmet
Rams went old school yellow with their uniform but kept the new blue so they only had to change the ram horn sticker.
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clenz wrote:Cowboys wore all white but silver helmet
Now that you mention it, I know they've worn both the white and silver helmets in the same year. What gives with that?

Yup...
In addition to the 1960 - 1963 period, the Cowboys used white helmets during the following games: November 25, 2004 (vs Chicago), September 19, 2005 (vs Washington), November 24, 2005 (vs Denver), November 23, 2006 (vs Tampa Bay), December 25, 2006 (vs Philadelphia), November 29, 2007 (vs Green Bay), November 23, 2008 (vs San Francisco), October 11, 2009 (at Kansas City), and November 25, 2010 (vs New Orleans).
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89Hen wrote:
clenz wrote:Cowboys wore all white but silver helmet
Now that you mention it, I know they've worn both the white and silver helmets in the same year. What gives with that?

Yup...
In addition to the 1960 - 1963 period, the Cowboys used white helmets during the following games: November 25, 2004 (vs Chicago), September 19, 2005 (vs Washington), November 24, 2005 (vs Denver), November 23, 2006 (vs Tampa Bay), December 25, 2006 (vs Philadelphia), November 29, 2007 (vs Green Bay), November 23, 2008 (vs San Francisco), October 11, 2009 (at Kansas City), and November 25, 2010 (vs New Orleans).
And the new helmet rule was put in for the 2013 season, as is referenced in all articles I posted.
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clenz wrote:And the new helmet rule was put in for the 2013 season, as is referenced in all articles I posted.
You are expecting way too much out of my reading comprehension.
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When do we get to see the yellow and baby blue abortions again?
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Carson Wentz fell victim to an unlikely culprit Wednesday: a New Jersey public restroom.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2646 ... =editorial

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