Sea/Tac threatening to Privatize Airport security

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Tue May 17, 2016 8:19 am

The head of Seattle Tacoma's transportation Security
threatens to privatize security processes at America's 12th busiest Airport if the TSA can't get it's sh!t together

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -privatiz/

Post by **SDHornet** » Tue May 17, 2016 2:33 pm

Fed will come in, threaten to take away funding if they don't use TSA, and that will be the end of that.

Just had an international flight a few weeks back, the wifey had an epi pen in her carry on that immediately flagged Mexican airport security. We flew into Orange County to connect back to Sac. Had to re-enter security after getting through customs...not a peep from TSA about her epi pen. Great people we have working at TSA...real diligent...we should all feel very safe.

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Tue May 17, 2016 3:30 pm

SDHornet wrote:Fed will come in, threaten to take away funding if they don't use TSA, and that will be the end of that.

Just had an international flight a few weeks back, the wifey had an epi pen in her carry on that immediately flagged Mexican airport security. We flew into Orange County to connect back to Sac. Had to re-enter security after getting through customs...not a peep from TSA about her epi pen. Great people we have working at TSA...real diligent...we should all feel very safe.

Another conk-made Federal bureaucracy.

Conks.

Baldy · Post by **Baldy** » Wed May 18, 2016 8:13 am

houndawg wrote:
SDHornet wrote:Fed will come in, threaten to take away funding if they don't use TSA, and that will be the end of that.

Just had an international flight a few weeks back, the wifey had an epi pen in her carry on that immediately flagged Mexican airport security. We flew into Orange County to connect back to Sac. Had to re-enter security after getting through customs...not a peep from TSA about her epi pen. Great people we have working at TSA...real diligent...we should all feel very safe.
Another unionized Federal bureaucracy.

Unions.

FIFY

Post by **Ibanez** » Wed May 18, 2016 10:32 am

SDHornet wrote:Fed will come in, threaten to take away funding if they don't use TSA, and that will be the end of that.

Just had an international flight a few weeks back, the wifey had an epi pen in her carry on that immediately flagged Mexican airport security. We flew into Orange County to connect back to Sac. Had to re-enter security after getting through customs...not a peep from TSA about her epi pen. Great people we have working at TSA...real diligent...we should all feel very safe.

These are the same people that let me take a corkscrew onto a flight to Germany.

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Wed May 18, 2016 10:37 am

SDHornet wrote:Fed will come in, threaten to take away funding if they don't use TSA, and that will be the end of that.

Just had an international flight a few weeks back, the wifey had an epi pen in her carry on that immediately flagged Mexican airport security. We flew into Orange County to connect back to Sac. Had to re-enter security after getting through customs...not a peep from TSA about her epi pen. Great people we have working at TSA...real diligent...we should all feel very safe.

Actually there is no official process associated with "utilizing" the TSA in Airports
The Governor has already made this clear

The TSA Agents are assigned to Sea/Tac Airport - true but
Nowhere does it say that the Airport cannot put a private entity in charge of security
thus telling all the TSA agents to effectively "Go stand over there out of the way"

Post by **SDHornet** » Wed May 18, 2016 11:18 am

Chizzang wrote:
SDHornet wrote:Fed will come in, threaten to take away funding if they don't use TSA, and that will be the end of that.

Just had an international flight a few weeks back, the wifey had an epi pen in her carry on that immediately flagged Mexican airport security. We flew into Orange County to connect back to Sac. Had to re-enter security after getting through customs...not a peep from TSA about her epi pen. Great people we have working at TSA...real diligent...we should all feel very safe.
Actually there is no official process associated with "utilizing" the TSA in Airports
The Governor has already made this clear

The TSA Agents are assigned to Sea/Tac Airport - true but
Nowhere does it say that the Airport cannot put a private entity in charge of security
thus telling all the TSA agents to effectively "Go stand over there out of the way"

For your sake I hope Washington and Sea/Tac have the bankroll to fight TSA's union. Should be an interesting ordeal to follow. Keep us informed on how it goes.

BDKJMU · Post by **BDKJMU** » Wed May 18, 2016 11:31 am

There are over 350 "primary" airports in the US, defined by wiki as "provide scheduled passenger services and have over 10,000 passenger boardings per year". In 2002 the TSA awarded PP5 contracts to 6 airports to have private security instead of TSA:
-San Francisco
-Kansas City
-Rochester
-Jackson Hole
-Tupelo
-Sioux Falls.

That has since been expanded to 22 primary airports, with the following 16 added:
-Bert Mooney Airport
-Bozeman Yellowstone International Airport
-Charles M. Schulz–Sonoma County Airport
-Dawson Community Airport
-Glacier Park International Airport
-Havre City-County Airport
-Key West International Airport
-L. M. Clayton Airport
-Orlando Sanford International Airport
-Portsmouth International Airport
-Punta Gorda Airport
-Roswell International Air Center
-Sarasota-Bradenton International Airport
-Sidney-Richland Municipal Airport
-Wokal Field/Glasgow International Airport
-Yellowstone Airport
https://www.tsa.gov/for-industry/screening-partnerships

Looks like 7 of those are in Montana. The only Cat X airport (top 25 in US) I see on that list is San Francisco. Don't confuse Orlando Sanford (SFB) with Orlando International (MCO). In terms of the busiest in 2014 by passenger enplanements, SFO was 7th and SEA-TAC was 13th, so if it works at SFO, it should work at SEA-TAC..

Post by **kalm** » Wed May 18, 2016 1:49 pm

Security industrial complex........

Post by **Ivytalk** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:13 pm

We'll show you, SeaTac! We'll start routing all flights through Spokumpton!

Post by **Ibanez** » Wed May 18, 2016 3:46 pm

BDKJMU wrote:There are over 350 "primary" airports in the US, defined by wiki as "provide scheduled passenger services and have over 10,000 passenger boardings per year". In 2002 the TSA awarded PP5 contracts to 6 airports to have private security instead of TSA:
-San Francisco
-Kansas City
-Rochester
-Jackson Hole
-Tupelo
-Sioux Falls.

That has since been expanded to 22 primary airports, with the following 16 added:
-Bert Mooney Airport
-Bozeman Yellowstone International Airport
-Charles M. Schulz–Sonoma County Airport
-Dawson Community Airport
-Glacier Park International Airport
-Havre City-County Airport
-Key West International Airport
-L. M. Clayton Airport
-Orlando Sanford International Airport
-Portsmouth International Airport
-Punta Gorda Airport
-Roswell International Air Center
-Sarasota-Bradenton International Airport
-Sidney-Richland Municipal Airport
-Wokal Field/Glasgow International Airport
-Yellowstone Airport
https://www.tsa.gov/for-industry/screening-partnerships

Looks like 7 of those are in Montana. The only Cat X airport (top 25 in US) I see on that list is San Francisco. Don't confuse Orlando Sanford (SFB) with Orlando International (MCO). In terms of the busiest in 2014 by passenger enplanements, SFO was 7th and SEA-TAC was 13th, so if it works at SFO, it should work at SEA-TAC..

Why in the world does Montana need 7 airports? I mean, there's like 8 people on the entire state that can afford a plane ticket.

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Wed May 18, 2016 4:29 pm

Ibanez wrote:
Why in the world does Montana need 7 airports? I mean, there's like 8 people on the entire state that can afford a plane ticket.

Well having landed at most of them in Montana...
The word "Airport" isn't probably the most accurate word

Post by **Ibanez** » Wed May 18, 2016 4:31 pm

Chizzang wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Why in the world does Montana need 7 airports? I mean, there's like 8 people on the entire state that can afford a plane ticket.
Well having landed at most of them in Montana...
The word "Airport" isn't probably the most accurate word

Oh hell. That's many of the farms around here

Post by **Grizalltheway** » Wed May 18, 2016 4:46 pm

Ibanez wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Well having landed at most of them in Montana...
The word "Airport" isn't probably the most accurate word

Oh hell. That's many of the farms around here

I don't see you mounting any animals, so I'm not sure that pic is an accurate representation?

Post by **Ibanez** » Wed May 18, 2016 7:02 pm

Grizalltheway wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Oh hell. That's many of the farms around here
I don't see you mounting any animals, so I'm not sure that pic is an accurate representation?

This isn't show and tell

Post by **Grizalltheway** » Wed May 18, 2016 7:59 pm

Ibanez wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote: I don't see you mounting any animals, so I'm not sure that pic is an accurate representation?
This isn't show and tell

How about truth or dare?

Post by **kalm** » Wed May 18, 2016 9:48 pm

Ivytalk wrote:We'll show you, SeaTac! We'll start routing all flights through Spokumpton!

You just wait till Moses Lake gets high speed rail to the lesser side of the mountains, mister! JAL trains at the old AFB there and it's a super runway!

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Wed May 18, 2016 11:49 pm

Grizalltheway wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Oh hell. That's many of the farms around here
I don't see you mounting any animals, so I'm not sure that pic is an accurate representation?

Hah! That's most of the farms from my part of NC. Grew up on one - except we were rich.... we had a TWO plane hangar

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Wed May 18, 2016 11:52 pm

Chizzang wrote:The head of Seattle Tacoma's transportation Security
threatens to privatize security processes at America's 12th busiest Airport if the TSA can't get it's sh!t together

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -privatiz/

What we need, you see, is Bernie Sanders.

He'll triple the size of TSA (and if you triple the size of something, you triple the efficiency!)

Post by **Ibanez** » Thu May 19, 2016 5:52 am

Grizalltheway wrote:
Ibanez wrote: This isn't show and tell
How about truth or dare?

I'm more of a "never have I ever" guy.

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Thu May 19, 2016 8:02 am

CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:The head of Seattle Tacoma's transportation Security
threatens to privatize security processes at America's 12th busiest Airport if the TSA can't get it's sh!t together

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -privatiz/
What we need, you see, is Bernie Sanders.

He'll triple the size of TSA (and if you triple the size of something, you triple the efficiency!)

hmmm...
'll take Sarcasm for $400 Alex

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Thu May 19, 2016 2:38 pm

I agree that one was only worth $400

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∞∞∞ · Post by **∞∞∞** » Fri May 20, 2016 3:29 am

Does it really matter? The airport's security funding will still come from TSA and instead of the employees being federal, they'll just be private. The same people will still be applying for these jobs. San Fran and a few other airports have done this already, but even the private contractors have to follow the rules the TSA put into place. Just seems like a privatized TSA lol.

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Fri May 20, 2016 5:14 am

∞∞∞ wrote:Does it really matter? The airport's security funding will still come from TSA and instead of the employees being federal, they'll just be private. The same people will still be applying for these jobs. San Fran and a few other airports have done this already, but even the private contractors have to follow the rules the TSA put into place. Just seems like a privatized TSA lol.

You're missing a big difference-

A private security firm would use contract labor.

Part of why TSA is so screwed up is they can't get rid of the bad ones (and they're legion there) because the minute the TSA was stood up it became an organized labor cesspool.

You can fire contractors with or without cause.... whatever the hell you want to do

Then 5 years after SeaTac goes private, there will be all kinds of media concern trolling (with the KING of concern trolls... 60 Minutes leading the way) whining about how bad working conditions are for the people who keep us safe.

∞∞∞ · Post by **∞∞∞** » Fri May 20, 2016 5:16 am

CID1990 wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Does it really matter? The airport's security funding will still come from TSA and instead of the employees being federal, they'll just be private. The same people will still be applying for these jobs. San Fran and a few other airports have done this already, but even the private contractors have to follow the rules the TSA put into place. Just seems like a privatized TSA lol.
You're missing a big difference-

A private security firm would use contract labor.

Part of why TSA is so screwed up is they can't get rid of the bad ones (and they're legion there) because the minute the TSA was stood up it became an organized labor cesspool.

You can fire contractors with or without cause.... whatever the hell you want to do

Then 5 years after SeaTac goes private, there will be all kinds of media concern trolling (with the KING of concern trolls... 60 Minutes leading the way) whining about how bad working conditions are for the people who keep us safe.

That's a fair enough point.

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