http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home“You never want to have the government involved in your business,” said Orlando, whose firm owns 7.3 million JPMorgan Chase & Co. shares and 1,483 shares of Citigroup. “They’re not businessmen; they’re bureaucrats. They don’t understand capitalism, they don’t understand the profit motive and they don’t understand the financial industry.”
They understood it, they failed to pay attention to the trends. They failed to grow. They failed to compete.dbackjon wrote:Apparantly, there are a lot of people that used to run banks that didn't understand capitalism or the financial industry either.
Yeah. Silly us, huh Jon? I mean, us "bankers" should have PREDICTED that 30% of our members would just arbitrarily decided to STOP paying their credit cards. We should have PREDICTED that people with 820 FICO scores would walk in and hand over the keys to their recently purchased SUV in droves because they didn't feel like paying for $4.00/gallon gas. Hell, we should have PREDICTED $4.00/gallon gasoline. We should have PREDICTED that housing prices would fall 50-75% in some areas, causing people to walk away from a (now) depreciating asset that they can't use as an ATM anymore.dbackjon wrote:Apparantly, there are a lot of people that used to run banks that didn't understand capitalism or the financial industry either.
Actually, there were economists that predicted a lot of that, the spike in gas prices, the housing bubble, etc. The Bankers in their hubris thought that the good times would last forever.AZGrizFan wrote:Yeah. Silly us, huh Jon? I mean, us "bankers" should have PREDICTED that 30% of our members would just arbitrarily decided to STOP paying their credit cards. We should have PREDICTED that people with 820 FICO scores would walk in and hand over the keys to their recently purchased SUV in droves because they didn't feel like paying for $4.00/gallon gas. Hell, we should have PREDICTED $4.00/gallon gasoline. We should have PREDICTED that housing prices would fall 50-75% in some areas, causing people to walk away from a (now) depreciating asset that they can't use as an ATM anymore.dbackjon wrote:Apparantly, there are a lot of people that used to run banks that didn't understand capitalism or the financial industry either.
I don't know about you, but MY crystal ball is broken. Got one I can spare?
When they get 30, they give everyone in America a new toaster oven.Ivytalk wrote:Why shouldn't the guvmint buy more of yet another EX-member of the DJIA?
Economists are like assholes. Nay, economists ARE assholes. Survey 100 economists and you'll get 50 to say one thing, and 50 to say another. Like I said, my crystal ball is broken.dbackjon wrote:Actually, there were economists that predicted a lot of that, the spike in gas prices, the housing bubble, etc. The Bankers in their hubris thought that the good times would last forever.AZGrizFan wrote:
Yeah. Silly us, huh Jon? I mean, us "bankers" should have PREDICTED that 30% of our members would just arbitrarily decided to STOP paying their credit cards. We should have PREDICTED that people with 820 FICO scores would walk in and hand over the keys to their recently purchased SUV in droves because they didn't feel like paying for $4.00/gallon gas. Hell, we should have PREDICTED $4.00/gallon gasoline. We should have PREDICTED that housing prices would fall 50-75% in some areas, causing people to walk away from a (now) depreciating asset that they can't use as an ATM anymore.
I don't know about you, but MY crystal ball is broken. Got one I can spare?
So, you are saying that capitalism is incapible of self-regulation, and needs governmental control.native wrote:Was it not the politicians who revoked Glass-Steagal?
It was CERTAINLY the politicians who gave us Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.
How did the whole derivative mess escape the notice of regulators?
So, where was the government? Oh yeah, bribing the banks to continue lending to those who couldn't afford it. To think the government could have done any better is truly naive, and basically clueless.dbackjon wrote:Actually, there were economists that predicted a lot of that, the spike in gas prices, the housing bubble, etc. The Bankers in their hubris thought that the good times would last forever.AZGrizFan wrote:
Yeah. Silly us, huh Jon? I mean, us "bankers" should have PREDICTED that 30% of our members would just arbitrarily decided to STOP paying their credit cards. We should have PREDICTED that people with 820 FICO scores would walk in and hand over the keys to their recently purchased SUV in droves because they didn't feel like paying for $4.00/gallon gas. Hell, we should have PREDICTED $4.00/gallon gasoline. We should have PREDICTED that housing prices would fall 50-75% in some areas, causing people to walk away from a (now) depreciating asset that they can't use as an ATM anymore.
I don't know about you, but MY crystal ball is broken. Got one I can spare?