Kalm is Calling the Election

[YoUDeeMan]

"A growing number of Bernie Sanders’s supporters say they would vote for Donald J. Trump over Hillary Clinton."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/25/nytno ... .html?_r=0


And the number will keep growing once they realize people like Hillary and Trip, who claim to support minorities and the struggling people, are simply selfish fake Democrats.

[SDHornet]

Those pie charts are wishful thinking for Bernie fans.

The bottom line is that come November, the lefties are going to faithfully line up and vote for Hillary (and then they'll go back to complaining about corporate owned government)

And the righties will line up and faithfully vote for Trump (and then go back to complaining about BIG government)

And the electoral math (which favors the Democrats when the country is 50/50) will deliver the election to Hillary/

That's how I see it playing out.

[SDHornet]

"A growing number of Bernie Sanders’s supporters say they would vote for Donald J. Trump over Hillary Clinton."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/25/nytno ... .html?_r=0


And the number will keep growing once they realize people like Hillary and Trip, who claim to support minorities and the struggling people, are simply selfish fake Democrats.

bernie supporters should identify more with Trump (anti-establishment, not taking large payout from big banks) than hilldog...but they will still vote hilldog come November.

[∞∞∞]

There is no doubt that there are plenty of people on the "right" who would vote against Hillary no matter what. But I think what's going on with Sanders right now is creating such a sentiment on the left. And Sanders has been ginning it up.

Look, I don't really care if it's Hillary or Bernie. In fact I've written before that if I were the Democrats I would strongly consider Bernie because he's WAY ahead of Trump in the polls and doesn't have the baggage. But it's pretty clear that Bernie is not going to get the majority of the popular vote in the Democrat Party. Along with that we have the Real Clear Politics average of polls for who Democrats want and Clinton is up by 8.6 percentage points over Sanders. She's up 9.5 percentage points in the average of California polls and 17 percentage points in the New Jersey polls.

For better or for worse, she's going to be the Democrat nominee and it's not going to be because the process was rigged. It's going to be because she's going to win a substantial majority of the popular votes in the Democratic Party primaries.

What Sanders is doing is doing nothing but helping Trump. He needs to stop.

It isn't clear at all John. The reason it isn't clear is because this election will be decided by independents, and Hillary doesn't have them. Bernie does and the super delegates are going to have to decide if they want to win with Bernie or be in a nail biter with a candidate who has about a 50/50 chance of beating Trump. Don't change the station yet, this ain't over.

Are we really going to have the same arguments the GOP had? Trump was the winner of his primaries and Clinton of hers (including the general votes). What is the point of these things if the delegates end up going against the will of the constituents?

Sanders and his supporters have a great chance to shape Dem policies at the convention and they should take advantage of it, but it's a bit odd to argue against Clinton considering that's what the majority of voters wanted. If we begin to argue that Sanders should be the nominee, then JSO should be getting a pass for all his opinions against Trump...'cause we'd be doing the same exact thing.

[SDHornet]

It isn't clear at all John. The reason it isn't clear is because this election will be decided by independents, and Hillary doesn't have them. Bernie does and the super delegates are going to have to decide if they want to win with Bernie or be in a nail biter with a candidate who has about a 50/50 chance of beating Trump. Don't change the station yet, this ain't over.

Are we really going to have the same arguments the GOP had? Trump was the winner of his primaries and Clinton of hers (including the general votes). What is the point of these things if the delegates end up going against the will of the constituents?

Sanders and his supporters have a great chance to shape Dem policies at the convention and they should take advantage of it, but it's a bit odd to argue against Clinton considering that's what the majority of voters wanted. If we begin to argue that Sanders should be the nominee, then JSO should be getting a pass for all his opinions against Trump...'cause we'd be doing the same exact thing.

Different argument...actually there is no argument to be had. The Dem super delegate system ALLOWS their votes to be cast however they deem necessary...that can be (and has been in some of these primaries) against the will of the people.

[∞∞∞]

Are we really going to have the same arguments the GOP had? Trump was the winner of his primaries and Clinton of hers (including the general votes). What is the point of these things if the delegates end up going against the will of the constituents?

Sanders and his supporters have a great chance to shape Dem policies at the convention and they should take advantage of it, but it's a bit odd to argue against Clinton considering that's what the majority of voters wanted. If we begin to argue that Sanders should be the nominee, then JSO should be getting a pass for all his opinions against Trump...'cause we'd be doing the same exact thing.

Different argument...actually there is no argument to be had. The Dem super delegate system ALLOWS their votes to be cast however they deem necessary...that can be (and has been in some of these primaries) against the will of the people.

And yet, Clinton has the majority of the general votes. Just because they're not as vocal as Sanders supporters, it doesn't mean their voice doesn't matter.

[kalm]

It isn't clear at all John. The reason it isn't clear is because this election will be decided by independents, and Hillary doesn't have them. Bernie does and the super delegates are going to have to decide if they want to win with Bernie or be in a nail biter with a candidate who has about a 50/50 chance of beating Trump. Don't change the station yet, this ain't over.

Are we really going to have the same arguments the GOP had? Trump was the winner of his primaries and Clinton of hers (including the general votes). What is the point of these things if the delegates end up going against the will of the constituents?

Sanders and his supporters have a great chance to shape Dem policies at the convention and they should take advantage of it, but it's a bit odd to argue against Clinton considering that's what the majority of voters wanted. If we begin to argue that Sanders should be the nominee, then JSO should be getting a pass for all his opinions against Trump...'cause we'd be doing the same exact thing.

I'm sure Hillary feels the same way...

Dear ___________,

The stakes in this election are so high: with two wars abroad, our economy in crisis here at home, and so many families struggling across America, the need for new leadership has never been greater.

At this point, we do not yet have a nominee – and when the last votes are cast on June 3, neither Senator Obama nor I will have secured the nomination. It will be up to automatic delegates like you to help choose our party’s nominee, and I would like to tell you why I believe I am the stronger candidate against Senator McCain and would be the best President and Commander in Chief.

Voters in every state have made it clear that they want to be heard and counted as part of this historic race. And as we reach the end of the primary season, more than 17 million people have supported me in my effort to become the Democratic nominee – more people than have ever voted for a potential nominee in the history of our party. In the past two weeks alone, record numbers of voters participated in the West Virginia and Kentucky primaries. And with 40 and 35 point margins of victory, it is clear that even when voters are repeatedly told this race is over, they’re not giving up on me – and I am not giving up on them either.

After seven years of feeling invisible to the Bush administration, Americans are seeking a President who is strong, experienced, and ready to take on our toughest challenges, from serving as Commander in Chief and ending the war in Iraq to turning our economy around. They want a President who shares their core beliefs about our country and its future and “gets” what they go through every day to care for their families, pay the bills and try to put something away for the future.

We simply cannot afford another four – or eight – years in the wilderness. That is why, everywhere I go, people come up to me, grip my hand or arm, and urge me to keep on running. That is why I continue in this race: because I believe I am best prepared to lead this country as President – and best prepared to put together a broad coalition of voters to break the lock Republicans have had on the electoral map and beat Senator McCain in November.

Recent polls and election results show a clear trend: I am ahead in states that have been critical to victory in the past two elections. From Ohio, to Pennsylvania, to West Virginia and beyond, the results of recent primaries in battleground states show that I have strong support from the regions and demographics Democrats need to take back the White House. I am also currently ahead of Senator McCain in Gallup national tracking polls, while Senator Obama is behind him. And nearly all independent analyses show that I am in a stronger position to win the Electoral College, primarily because I lead Senator McCain in Florida and Ohio. I’ve enclosed a detailed analysis of recent electoral and polling information, and I hope you will take some time to review it carefully.

In addition, when the primaries are finished, I expect to lead in the popular vote and in delegates earned through primaries. Ultimately, the point of our primary process is to pick our strongest nominee – the one who would be the best President and Commander in Chief, who has the greatest support from members of our party, and who is most likely to win in November. So I hope you will consider not just the strength of the coalition backing me, but also that more people will have cast their votes for me.

I am in this race for them -- for all the men and women I meet who wake up every day and work hard to make a difference for their families. People who deserve a shot at the American dream – the chance to save for college, a home and retirement; to afford quality health care for their families; to fill the gas tank and buy the groceries with a little left over each month.

I am in this race for all the women in their nineties who’ve told me they were born before women could vote, and they want to live to see a woman in the White House. For all the women who are energized for the first time, and voting for the first time. For the little girls – and little boys – whose parents lift them onto their shoulders at our rallies, and whisper in their ears, “See, you can be anything you want to be.” As the first woman ever to be in this position, I believe I have a responsibility to them.

Finally, I am in this race because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party. I believe that if Senator Obama and I both make our case – and all Democrats have the chance to make their voices heard – everyone will be more likely to rally around the nominee.

In the end, I am committed to unifying this party. What Senator Obama and I share is so much greater than our differences; and no matter who wins this nomination, I will do everything I can to bring us together and move us forward.

But at this point, neither of us has crossed the finish line. I hope that in the time remaining, you will think hard about which candidate has the best chance to lead our party to victory in November. I hope you will consider the results of the recent primaries and what they tell us about the mindset of voters in the key battleground states. I hope you will think about the broad and winning coalition of voters I have built. And most important, I hope you will think about who is ready to stand on that stage with Senator McCain, fight for the deepest principles of our party, and lead our country forward into this new century.

Hillary Clinton letter to Super Delegates, 2008

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... tes/53314/

[SDHornet]

Different argument...actually there is no argument to be had. The Dem super delegate system ALLOWS their votes to be cast however they deem necessary...that can be (and has been in some of these primaries) against the will of the people.

And yet, Clinton has the majority of the general votes. Just because they're not as vocal as Sanders supporters, it doesn't mean their voice doesn't matter.

WTF does that have to do on a state by state basis?

Feel free to look at some of the states hilldog lost and where those super delegates went and get back to us on that.

[SDHornet]

Are we really going to have the same arguments the GOP had? Trump was the winner of his primaries and Clinton of hers (including the general votes). What is the point of these things if the delegates end up going against the will of the constituents?

Sanders and his supporters have a great chance to shape Dem policies at the convention and they should take advantage of it, but it's a bit odd to argue against Clinton considering that's what the majority of voters wanted. If we begin to argue that Sanders should be the nominee, then JSO should be getting a pass for all his opinions against Trump...'cause we'd be doing the same exact thing.

I'm sure Hillary feels the same way...

Dear ___________,

The stakes in this election are so high: with two wars abroad, our economy in crisis here at home, and so many families struggling across America, the need for new leadership has never been greater.

At this point, we do not yet have a nominee – and when the last votes are cast on June 3, neither Senator Obama nor I will have secured the nomination. It will be up to automatic delegates like you to help choose our party’s nominee, and I would like to tell you why I believe I am the stronger candidate against Senator McCain and would be the best President and Commander in Chief.

Voters in every state have made it clear that they want to be heard and counted as part of this historic race. And as we reach the end of the primary season, more than 17 million people have supported me in my effort to become the Democratic nominee – more people than have ever voted for a potential nominee in the history of our party. In the past two weeks alone, record numbers of voters participated in the West Virginia and Kentucky primaries. And with 40 and 35 point margins of victory, it is clear that even when voters are repeatedly told this race is over, they’re not giving up on me – and I am not giving up on them either.

After seven years of feeling invisible to the Bush administration, Americans are seeking a President who is strong, experienced, and ready to take on our toughest challenges, from serving as Commander in Chief and ending the war in Iraq to turning our economy around. They want a President who shares their core beliefs about our country and its future and “gets” what they go through every day to care for their families, pay the bills and try to put something away for the future.

We simply cannot afford another four – or eight – years in the wilderness. That is why, everywhere I go, people come up to me, grip my hand or arm, and urge me to keep on running. That is why I continue in this race: because I believe I am best prepared to lead this country as President – and best prepared to put together a broad coalition of voters to break the lock Republicans have had on the electoral map and beat Senator McCain in November.

Recent polls and election results show a clear trend: I am ahead in states that have been critical to victory in the past two elections. From Ohio, to Pennsylvania, to West Virginia and beyond, the results of recent primaries in battleground states show that I have strong support from the regions and demographics Democrats need to take back the White House. I am also currently ahead of Senator McCain in Gallup national tracking polls, while Senator Obama is behind him. And nearly all independent analyses show that I am in a stronger position to win the Electoral College, primarily because I lead Senator McCain in Florida and Ohio. I’ve enclosed a detailed analysis of recent electoral and polling information, and I hope you will take some time to review it carefully.

In addition, when the primaries are finished, I expect to lead in the popular vote and in delegates earned through primaries. Ultimately, the point of our primary process is to pick our strongest nominee – the one who would be the best President and Commander in Chief, who has the greatest support from members of our party, and who is most likely to win in November. So I hope you will consider not just the strength of the coalition backing me, but also that more people will have cast their votes for me.

I am in this race for them -- for all the men and women I meet who wake up every day and work hard to make a difference for their families. People who deserve a shot at the American dream – the chance to save for college, a home and retirement; to afford quality health care for their families; to fill the gas tank and buy the groceries with a little left over each month.

I am in this race for all the women in their nineties who’ve told me they were born before women could vote, and they want to live to see a woman in the White House. For all the women who are energized for the first time, and voting for the first time. For the little girls – and little boys – whose parents lift them onto their shoulders at our rallies, and whisper in their ears, “See, you can be anything you want to be.” As the first woman ever to be in this position, I believe I have a responsibility to them.

Finally, I am in this race because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party. I believe that if Senator Obama and I both make our case – and all Democrats have the chance to make their voices heard – everyone will be more likely to rally around the nominee.

In the end, I am committed to unifying this party. What Senator Obama and I share is so much greater than our differences; and no matter who wins this nomination, I will do everything I can to bring us together and move us forward.

But at this point, neither of us has crossed the finish line. I hope that in the time remaining, you will think hard about which candidate has the best chance to lead our party to victory in November. I hope you will consider the results of the recent primaries and what they tell us about the mindset of voters in the key battleground states. I hope you will think about the broad and winning coalition of voters I have built. And most important, I hope you will think about who is ready to stand on that stage with Senator McCain, fight for the deepest principles of our party, and lead our country forward into this new century.

Hillary Clinton letter to Super Delegates, 2008

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... tes/53314/

This is a lie kalm, plain and simple. hilldog already told us she was a good soldier and bowed out when she realized it was over in 2008. Lies!!!

[∞∞∞]

I don't think Sanders should bow out. He should take it all the way through to the finish line and get his policies included into the Dem platform. But as Clinton's pleas were unheard in 2008, I think the same should be applied here.

It's funny to think that in a few months, I'll probably be table-top gaming with Sanders' campaign manager again. I'm sure we'll share a few laughs, beers...and arguments (although he definitely wins those ). Jeff is an insanely smart guy and you can tell by the way he's conducted the Sanders campaign.

[Ivytalk]

I don't think Sanders should bow out. He should take it all the way through to the finish line and get his policies included into the Dem platform. But as Clinton's pleas were unheard in 2008, I think the same should be applied here.

It's funny to think that in a few months, I'll probably be table-top gaming with Sanders' campaign manager again. I'm sure we'll share a few laughs, beers...and arguments (although he definitely wins those ). Jeff is an insanely smart guy and you can tell by the way he's conducted the Sanders campaign.

Like what? Air hockey? I can imagine a few "insane" folks on the Sanders team, but not "insanely smart." No socialists are.

[kalm]

I don't think Sanders should bow out. He should take it all the way through to the finish line and get his policies included into the Dem platform. But as Clinton's pleas were unheard in 2008, I think the same should be applied here.

It's funny to think that in a few months, I'll probably be table-top gaming with Sanders' campaign manager again. I'm sure we'll share a few laughs, beers...and arguments (although he definitely wins those ). Jeff is an insanely smart guy and you can tell by the way he's conducted the Sanders campaign.

Like what? Air hockey? I can imagine a few "insane" folks on the Sanders team, but not "insanely smart." No socialists are.

]

Ever heard of Orwell? Einstein?

Morons!




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[∞∞∞]

I don't think Sanders should bow out. He should take it all the way through to the finish line and get his policies included into the Dem platform. But as Clinton's pleas were unheard in 2008, I think the same should be applied here.

It's funny to think that in a few months, I'll probably be table-top gaming with Sanders' campaign manager again. I'm sure we'll share a few laughs, beers...and arguments (although he definitely wins those ). Jeff is an insanely smart guy and you can tell by the way he's conducted the Sanders campaign.

Like what? Air hockey? I can imagine a few "insane" folks on the Sanders team, but not "insanely smart." No socialists are.

Well you know, you have your beliefs and they have theirs. As long as you're a good person.

As for the games, it's like Settlers of Catan, Magic, X-Wings, Dice Masters, Heroclix, etc...

Jeff owns this comic store in Falls Church: http://www.victorycomics.com/

[89Hen]

[Ivytalk]

Like what? Air hockey? I can imagine a few "insane" folks on the Sanders team, but not "insanely smart." No socialists are.

]

Ever heard of Orwell? Einstein?

Morons!




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Caught another trolled trout!! Klam feels compelled to defend his true leftist bona fides by defending allegations of socialist idiocy!

[kalm]

]

Ever heard of Orwell? Einstein?

Morons!




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Caught another trolled trout!! Klam feels compelled to defend his true leftist bona fides by defending allegations of socialist idiocy!

No, Vizzini. I just happen to recognize intelligence on both sides of the spectrum. I'm post partisan like that.

[YoUDeeMan]

It's funny to think that in a few months, I'll probably be table-top gaming with Sanders' campaign manager again. I'm sure we'll share a few laughs, beers...and arguments (although he definitely wins those ). Jeff is an insanely smart guy and you can tell by the way he's conducted the Sanders campaign.

Of course he'll win the arguments.

All you have is: MAKE THE BELTWAY GREAT AGAIN!

Sanders stands for what Democrats say they should stand for.

You, on the other hand, want some protectionist legislation to help you out and protect the cozy, leach-like jobs given to the party elites in Washington, D.C..

To top it off, you won't be losing arguments to some mental giant. Sanders hasn't run a great campaign. He ran a morally honest campaign...and he fell behind early because he didn't play the race card. He simply said he stood for ALL people...while Hillary lied and said she's always stood for Blacks. Yup, your insanely smart guy got outmaneuvered and absolutely owned by a lying, race baiting bitch.

Of course, your version of, "smart" involves these two clowns:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9zy27apgI8[/youtube]


Holy cow...that begs the question: have you ever met anyone who is actually smart?

[SDHornet]

To top it off, you won't be losing arguments to some mental giant. Sanders hasn't run a great campaign. He ran a morally honest campaign...and he fell behind early because he didn't play the race card. He simply said he stood for ALL people...while Hillary lied and said she's always stood for Blacks. Yup, your insanely smart guy got outmaneuvered and absolutely owned by a lying, race baiting bitch.

Glad someone else noticed that ridiculous statement by Trip.

If bernie had any balls he would be neck and neck with hilldog in the (non-super) delegate count.

[CID1990]

I don't think Sanders should bow out. He should take it all the way through to the finish line and get his policies included into the Dem platform. But as Clinton's pleas were unheard in 2008, I think the same should be applied here.

It's funny to think that in a few months, I'll probably be table-top gaming with Sanders' campaign manager again. I'm sure we'll share a few laughs, beers...and arguments (although he definitely wins those ). Jeff is an insanely smart guy and you can tell by the way he's conducted the Sanders campaign.

Maybe you can ask him how often he had to dress Bernie because he was confused as to what time of day it was.

[kalm]

Johnson is rising!

(actually he's about the same since March but 10% is a hefty number for a third party candidate)

This Kalmnet update is brought to you by our friends at 538...

Gary Johnson might be on the verge of becoming a household name.

At the moment, he’s probably most often confused with that plumber who fixed your running toilet last month or your spouse’s weird friend from work who keeps calling the landline, but he’s neither — he’s the former governor of New Mexico, likely Libertarian candidate for president, and he’s polling at 10 percent in two recently released national polls against Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

A Morning Consult survey published Tuesday and found Clinton getting 38 percent of the vote, Trump 35 and Johnson 10, with 17 percent undecided. A Fox News poll conducted from May 14-17 showed Trump leading over Clinton, 42 percent to 39 percent, but Johnson at 10 percent as well. Lest you think this is some fluky May development, a Monmouth University survey conducted in mid-March — while the political universe was still busy wringing its hands over the Republican nomination — found that in a three-way race, Clinton would get 42 percent, Trump 34 percent and Johnson 11 percent.

Given that Trump and Clinton are sporting historically high negative ratings, Johnson’s polling makes a fair bit of sense; Gary Johnson is neither Donald Trump nor Hillary Clinton. He might not win a state, but he could make some noise.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pay ... d-clinton/

[Ivytalk]

Johnson is rising!

(actually he's about the same since March but 10% is a hefty number for a third party candidate)

This Kalmnet update is brought to you by our friends at 538...

Gary Johnson might be on the verge of becoming a household name.

At the moment, he’s probably most often confused with that plumber who fixed your running toilet last month or your spouse’s weird friend from work who keeps calling the landline, but he’s neither — he’s the former governor of New Mexico, likely Libertarian candidate for president, and he’s polling at 10 percent in two recently released national polls against Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

A Morning Consult survey published Tuesday and found Clinton getting 38 percent of the vote, Trump 35 and Johnson 10, with 17 percent undecided. A Fox News poll conducted from May 14-17 showed Trump leading over Clinton, 42 percent to 39 percent, but Johnson at 10 percent as well. Lest you think this is some fluky May development, a Monmouth University survey conducted in mid-March — while the political universe was still busy wringing its hands over the Republican nomination — found that in a three-way race, Clinton would get 42 percent, Trump 34 percent and Johnson 11 percent.

Given that Trump and Clinton are sporting historically high negative ratings, Johnson’s polling makes a fair bit of sense; Gary Johnson is neither Donald Trump nor Hillary Clinton. He might not win a state, but he could make some noise.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pay ... d-clinton/

If Gary makes it to the debates, he could get even more than that.

[YoUDeeMan]

That Johnson sure is getting bigger.

Maybe dback will hop on the movement.

[Ibanez]

Johnson is rising!

(actually he's about the same since March but 10% is a hefty number for a third party candidate)

This Kalmnet update is brought to you by our friends at 538...




http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pay ... d-clinton/

If Gary makes it to the debates, he could get even more than that.

Gabby Johnson is right!


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[GannonFan]

Johnson is rising!

(actually he's about the same since March but 10% is a hefty number for a third party candidate)

This Kalmnet update is brought to you by our friends at 538...




http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pay ... d-clinton/

If Gary makes it to the debates, he could get even more than that.

I agree, he could be a factor if he's able to get to the debates. But I see him being more of a Ross Perot factor - he'll get a decent number of votes but won't win a state. What would be interesting is who he takes more votes away from. Perot doomed Bush in that election as that's where he drew most of his support, but in this one I'm not sure if Johnson would consistently pull more support from one party or the other. Could vary state by state since people are just voting anti-status quo as opposed to anti any particular party.

[Ivytalk]

If Gary makes it to the debates, he could get even more than that.

Gabby Johnson is right!


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