"Reason Rally" 2016

[Grizalltheway]

Maybe it's one of these.

[kalm]

That's exactly MY point.



How dare they conflate reproductive rights with access to birth control, PP, insurance coverage for birth control or morning after pill? I mean, that's as bad as applying reason to climate change or letting Johnny Depp's wife speak!

You are babbling.

I'm just waiting for something to be upset about with this story.

[89Hen]

You are babbling.

I'm just waiting for something to be upset about with this story.

If you're waiting on me, it will be a while. is far from or even

[kalm]

Here's one explanation for the move toward social justice among atheists.

The religious constantly self identify with the role their faith plays in their lives and unleash those beliefs on the real world. Shouldn't it be ok for atheists to do the same?

(And yes, I think atheism is in some ways a religion which btw, changes nothing)

'Ok fine, you don't believe. But quiet now...we're justifying our bigotry and destruction of nature through prayer.'

Those last few words speak directly to the very reason behind organized atheism: almost everyone who deconverts from religion and declares themselves a nonbeliever does so because of a compelling need to talk about reality. Whether it’s because we couldn’t reconcile the fossils in the earth with the story of creation we were told by our parents and clergy, or because of a need to lay claim to our sexuality without first checking for the approval or condemnation of a deity, the desire to discard what we perceive as falsehoods and speak honestly about the realities of our lives is one of the most commonly shared passions of atheists as a whole.

So, even for many of us who play life on the lowest difficulty setting, who get all the goodies that come along with white skin, cis-gender maleness and middle-class backgrounds, when old-school atheists attempt to dismiss social justice issues as “mission drift,” it seems like a betrayal of the very principle that was most attractive about standing up and identifying as an atheist in the first place. For those who don’t get those goodies, the betrayal is much more intimate.


If Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris brought a single essential insight to modern atheism, it was the idea that atheists could and should be unapologetic about their disbelief. For Heina Dadhaboy, who blogs on Skepchick, that was critical as she moved away from the traditional Islamic beliefs of her family.

“I think the fact that [Dawkins] was so unapologetic is why a lot of us became quite taken with his writings. It wasn’t so much what he was saying or how he was saying it, it was just the fact that he never apologized or capitulated for being an atheist.” That shamelessness helped Dadhaboy to assert her own voice as an atheist. Like most of mainstream culture, her family expected that if she was going to be an atheist, she would at least have the good sense to pay lip service to religion’s superior worldview.

“They expected me to capitulate,” she says. “They expected me to follow their rules and even if I didn’t believe in their religion, to agree with them that it’s more moral and makes more sense. Reading Dawkins was like, ‘Hey, I don’t need to do that.'”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/hitchen ... -the-rise/

[89Hen]

If Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris brought a single essential insight to modern atheism, it was the idea that atheists could and should be unapologetic about their disbelief.

That's about all I agree with from that blurb. However, that should also apply to people who do believe in religion. Too many atheists don't agree IMO.

[JohnStOnge]

In their essences, through egalitarianism and atheism are philosophical outlooks that are inconsistent with each other.

FIFY

You are blinded by your ignorance and inability to see things differently from how you were taught.

We forgive you and your shortcomings.

Nobody taught me anything about that. Just use your head. Atheism is the idea that there is no god, no something else. Just the physical universe. In such a paradigm a human being is no more "important" than a rock is. Everything just is.

Plus, if you're just being objective, it's obvious that all people are not equal. There is also absolutely no reason to oppose a social Darwinism. There is absolutely no reason to believe in human equality because, frankly, humans are not equal.

[kalm]

FIFY

You are blinded by your ignorance and inability to see things differently from how you were taught.

We forgive you and your shortcomings.

Nobody taught me anything about that. Just use your head. Atheism is the idea that there is no god, no something else. Just the physical universe. In such a paradigm a human being is no more "important" than a rock is. Everything just is.

Plus, if you're just being objective, it's obvious that all people are not equal. There is also absolutely no reason to oppose a social Darwinism. There is absolutely no reason to believe in human equality because, frankly, humans are not equal.

If you're an atheist subscribing to the JSO narrative of atheism, then yes to that last statement. On the other hand, if you believe that God is good, then your second paragraph makes no sense whatsoever.

Did I get that right?

[YoUDeeMan]

FIFY

You are blinded by your ignorance and inability to see things differently from how you were taught.

We forgive you and your shortcomings.

Nobody taught me anything about that. Just use your head. Atheism is the idea that there is no god, no something else. Just the physical universe. In such a paradigm a human being is no more "important" than a rock is. Everything just is.

Plus, if you're just being objective, it's obvious that all people are not equal. There is also absolutely no reason to oppose a social Darwinism. There is absolutely no reason to believe in human equality because, frankly, humans are not equal.

No one, not atheists, not religious people, not Bernie supporters, believes in egalitarianism.

No one.

They might talk the talk...but when push comes to shove, people go for their own self interest. They might deviate every once in a while for some cause to make themselves feel good, but that doesn't last. Overall, people are liberal until it comes to their own self interest.

[kalm]

Nobody taught me anything about that. Just use your head. Atheism is the idea that there is no god, no something else. Just the physical universe. In such a paradigm a human being is no more "important" than a rock is. Everything just is.

Plus, if you're just being objective, it's obvious that all people are not equal. There is also absolutely no reason to oppose a social Darwinism. There is absolutely no reason to believe in human equality because, frankly, humans are not equal.

No one, not atheists, not religious people, not Bernie supporters, believes in egalitarianism.

No one.

They might talk the talk...but when push comes to shove, people go for their own self interest. They might deviate every once in a while for some cause to make themselves feel good, but that doesn't last. Overall, people are liberal until it comes to their own self interest.

Or, egalitarianism exists in every one (* except sociopaths) and it's a balancing act between granting others their rights and opportunities and our own self interest. You can be liberal and still driven by self interest.

e·gal·i·tar·i·an
iˌɡaləˈterēən/
adjective
1.
of, relating to, or believing in the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.

I had a boss once who was a total sociopath. I've suspected others but there was no question with this guy. I remember how seeing people go out of their way to do nice things for others or favors when they weren't expected would literally piss him off. 'You don't owe him anything, why do that for him if you don't have to?' type of remarks. He went on to steal $50,000 grand from the company.

[YoUDeeMan]

e·gal·i·tar·i·an
iˌɡaləˈterēən/
adjective
1.
of, relating to, or believing in the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.

That's the thing, kalm...it sounds good on the surface. And someone could preach that 95% of the time and be considered a saint.

But, when push comes to shove, you can bet every parent wants their kid to have an edge in education, the workforce, etc., and every person wants to have a relative that could get them an interview at a cushy job, a Cuban cigar...you name it.

So egalitarianism isn't real. Or put another way, it is as real as the concept of a free market...or a democracy...or a communist government. None of those things have ever existed in their purest form.

[JohnStOnge]

If you're an atheist subscribing to the JSO narrative of atheism, then yes to that last statement. On the other hand, if you believe that God is good, then your second paragraph makes no sense whatsoever.

If there is a God and He is good I don't know how the two relate. But surely you can tell from watching what I've written over the years that I do not believe in the concept of actual human equality. I am not at all egalitarian. I am pretty much a social Darwinist.

[Jjoey52]

Atheists sure put a lot of effort into fighting something that doesn't exist, just saying.

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[Chizzang]

Atheists sure put a lot of effort into fighting something that doesn't exist, just saying

The suspension of critical thinking..?
Because that is mostly what atheist are fighting

As with most Christians you are completely confused as to what atheism is actually about
Its like when Joe try's to tell everybody on here that Catholicism is "All about Jesus"

[YoUDeeMan]

Atheists sure put a lot of effort into fighting something that doesn't exist, just saying

The suspension of critical thinking..?
Because that is mostly what atheist are fighting

As with most Christians you are completely confused as to what atheism is actually about
Its like when Joe try's to tell everybody on here that Catholicism is "All about Jesus"

* tries

Maybe if you had your knuckles cracked by a nun with a ruler, you would have gotten that correct.

[kalm]

e·gal·i·tar·i·an
iˌɡaləˈterēən/
adjective
1.
of, relating to, or believing in the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.

That's the thing, kalm...it sounds good on the surface. And someone could preach that 95% of the time and be considered a saint.

But, when push comes to shove, you can bet every parent wants their kid to have an edge in education, the workforce, etc., and every person wants to have a relative that could get them an interview at a cushy job, a Cuban cigar...you name it.

So egalitarianism isn't real. Or put another way, it is as real as the concept of a free market...or a democracy...or a communist government. None of those things have ever existed in their purest form.

Well that's the existentialist argument ain't it?

Egalitarianism simply means the belief in equal rights and opportunities. Yes it's a vicious world sometimes and yes humans have their selfish tendencies. But just because we don't have a pure free market doesn't mean that the ideas of fair competition and limited government intervention aren't something we should strive for.

You can make the case that nothing exists and frankly, I find it an interesting debate. I however still believe in love.



Cluck...gazing out on the world...

[JoltinJoe]

Atheists sure put a lot of effort into fighting something that doesn't exist, just saying

The suspension of critical thinking..?
Because that is mostly what atheist are fighting

As with most Christians you are completely confused as to what atheism is actually about
Its like when Joe try's to tell everybody on here that Catholicism is "All about Jesus"

Should I respond to a post written by a guy who spells tries "T-R-Y-'s?"

[Jjoey52]

Just to make sure everyone knows, I was NOT the one who spelled it try's.

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