Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

[YoUDeeMan]

Anyone who points to Trump as some kind of dangerous demagogue to the exclusion of the other candidates is just shilling, nothing more.

No, Trump is a much more dangerous demagogue than anyone else. He plays on fears...pits people vs. people based on prejudices and lies. He adorns foreign dictators and doesn't care that our friends are scared of him. His speeches make people think that the unreasonable might just be reasonable.

Trump isn't a pragmatist or a realist or a savior; he's the demagogue that unpops the cork which makes good people act in bad ways. He's the most dangerous type of person.

If you believe any of what you wrote, you are a total, and I mean total, idiot.

It is hard to believe that a grown person could possibly believe any of what you wrote while not recognizing that Hillary specializes in taking every single point and making them her own.

And the difference between the two candidates is that Hillary has actually been doing those things in her time in office...so it is not just talk.

Your family is Muslin, no? Yet you don't see that Hillary's actions have killed hundreds of thousands of Mulins...and will result in the killing of many more Muslins. Yet you have the nerve to say Trump plays people against each other. Hillary has supplied arms to governments, those foreign dictators you mentioned, with some of the worst human rights records on the planet. And they've used those arms to murder their own people. But for Hillary, that is par for the course. Divide and conquer. Fear.

So, Mr. Human Care Boy...explain why you give Hillary a pass?

Wait, you've aready mentioned it. She will be good for your job options.

You are a fake. You are a bigot. You, and Hillary, simply love to kill foreigners, including women and children, as long as it greases the wheels of your career. You'd get a lot more respect if you were just honest about that instead of pretending to care about oppressed people.

And the blurb about making good people act in bad ways? Holy crap.

[YoUDeeMan]

Hillary's attack on Trump...

Donald Trump’s ideas aren’t just different; they are dangerously incoherent. They’re not even really ideas, just a series of bizarre rants, personal feuds, and outright lies. He is not just unprepared, he is temperamentally unfit to hold an office that requires knowledge, stability, and immense responsibility. This is not someone who should ever have the nuclear codes, because it’s not hard to imagine Donald Trump leading us into a war just because someone got under his very thin skin.

Sorry, but the witch is correct. Words like "narcissist" and "egomaniac" are thrown around too much, but they genuinely apply to Trump. We're talking about a guy that acts like a middle schooler on social media.

Every election has demagogery and pandering and non-substantive debates and dialogue but Trump has cranked it up to another level with his laughable border wall idea and his talking of banning Muslim immigrants. I honestly wonder if the guy could even pass a high school civics test. He makes Sarah Palin seem like a scholar.

Hey, apparently you don't remember Hillary's ads against Obama. You know, the ads where it is at night, and she asked who you would want with access to the nuclear codes?

So, she is, once again, using FEAR to get chumps like you to believe she is safe and responsible.

Hillary...safe and responsible? Yeah...use those terms when remembering the secrets lost on her server. She put her own ego, and her own shady business dealings, and her own desire to put out her own narrative, in front of our nation's safety. And you think she won't do that again as a sitting President?

Hillary...safe and responsible? Yeah, tell that to the people getting killed due to her record setting proliferation of weapons to dictators with horrific human rights records.

Are you sure you weren't an early victim of the Zika virus?

Hillary has help spread the raging wildfire of war across the Middle East and into Asia and Africa...and you are worried about Trump and the bomb.

[SDHornet]

He's running for President; Trump is going to be in the news every day.

And I hope more people, especially those with influence, continue speaking out against Trump. He's a demagogue that needs to be stopped; dangerous things always start with voices like his.

Hillary is a demagogue. She has worked hard, very hard, to make sure we are helping to kill as many Muslins as possible...and making sure that Muslins keep killing themselves. She uses race to divide people...and she uses religion to divide the Middle East so that she can pile up her earnings. It is unbelievable that you can't see that.

But then again, you really don't care about minorities...you are simply spouting bullshit to sound righteous, you just care about your career opportunities.

Hillary & Obama crushed the Bahrain uprising. They forced out the democratically elected leader of Egypt. They support opposite sides of the extremist coin in Syrian and Yemen...while supplying weapons to some of the most vile and repressive regimes on the planet (more weapons than Bush supplied, by the way).

You are a fake.

Cluck with another Trip knee capping...or should we just call it "Tripping"?

I when people say they favor hilldog because of her "experience" as SOS. She openly has not only continued, but exasperated the failed Bush foreign policy in the ME...and then lied to the American people about it. If there was an "R" next to her name instead of a "D" the media and the mindless donk voters would have a view of her on the complete opposite end of the spectrum.

[SDHornet]

Hillary's attack on Trump...



Sorry, but the witch is correct. Words like "narcissist" and "egomaniac" are thrown around too much, but they genuinely apply to Trump. We're talking about a guy that acts like a middle schooler on social media.

Every election has demagogery and pandering and non-substantive debates and dialogue but Trump has cranked it up to another level with his laughable border wall idea and his talking of banning Muslim immigrants. I honestly wonder if the guy could even pass a high school civics test. He makes Sarah Palin seem like a scholar.

Hey, apparently you don't remember Hillary's ads against Obama. You know, the ads where it is at night, and she asked who you would want with access to the nuclear codes?

So, she is, once again, using FEAR to get chumps like you to believe she is safe and responsible.

Hillary...safe and responsible? Yeah...use those terms when remembering the secrets lost on her server. She put her own ego, and her own shady business dealings, and her own desire to put out her own narrative, in front of our nation's safety. And you think she won't do that again as a sitting President?

Hillary...safe and responsible? Yeah, tell that to the people getting killed due to her record setting proliferation of weapons to dictators with horrific human rights records.

Are you sure you weren't an early victim of the Zika virus?

Hillary has help spread the raging wildfire of war across the Middle East and into Asia and Africa...and you are worried about Trump and the bomb.

Cluck is a one man wrecking ball in these hilldog threads. hilldog has actions that PROVE she is untrustworthy, unreliable with gubmint "secrets", and incompetent as well as a proven liar while serving as SOS...and people are shitting themselves over some rants by Trump used to whip up support from the conk base.

[kalm]

Hillary is a demagogue. She has worked hard, very hard, to make sure we are helping to kill as many Muslins as possible...and making sure that Muslins keep killing themselves. She uses race to divide people...and she uses religion to divide the Middle East so that she can pile up her earnings. It is unbelievable that you can't see that.

But then again, you really don't care about minorities...you are simply spouting bullshit to sound righteous, you just care about your career opportunities.

Hillary & Obama crushed the Bahrain uprising. They forced out the democratically elected leader of Egypt. They support opposite sides of the extremist coin in Syrian and Yemen...while supplying weapons to some of the most vile and repressive regimes on the planet (more weapons than Bush supplied, by the way).

You are a fake.

Cluck with another Trip knee capping...or should we just call it "Tripping"?

I when people say they favor hilldog because of her "experience" as SOS. She openly has not only continued, but exasperated the failed Bush foreign policy in the ME...and then lied to the American people about it. If there was an "R" next to her name instead of a "D" the media and the mindless donk voters would have a view of her on the complete opposite end of the spectrum.

And don't forget she'd more than likely be the Republican nominee.

[SDHornet]

Cluck with another Trip knee capping...or should we just call it "Tripping"?

I when people say they favor hilldog because of her "experience" as SOS. She openly has not only continued, but exasperated the failed Bush foreign policy in the ME...and then lied to the American people about it. If there was an "R" next to her name instead of a "D" the media and the mindless donk voters would have a view of her on the complete opposite end of the spectrum.

And don't forget she'd more than likely be the Republican nominee.

But hilldog is not...and the spin because she isn't (spin bought but idiots like Trip) is very entertaining.

[∞∞∞]

And don't forget she'd more than likely be the Republican nominee.

But hilldog is not...and the spin because she isn't (spin bought but idiots like Trip) is very entertaining.

It's unfortunate that you of all people has started calling people idiots (non-jokingly). In a way, this is what I'm trying to point out. You all call me blind and the such, but just take a look at how you're all acting on this website right now. Emotional responses, rants, etc. We've had good political debates before, but some of you have taken it to an unfortunate level. And for what?

[OL FU]

Seems to me that this is the best example I have seen of the only reason either candidate can win is because of how bad the other candidate is.

[SDHornet]

But hilldog is not...and the spin because she isn't (spin bought but idiots like Trip) is very entertaining.

It's unfortunate that you of all people has started calling people idiots (non-jokingly). In a way, this is what I'm trying to point out. You all call me blind and the such, but just take a look at how you're all acting on this website right now. Emotional responses, rants, etc. We've had good political debates before, but some of you have taken it to an unfortunate level. And for what?

So honestly, with a straight face, you can say (and more importantly believe) that hilldog is the better person to serve as POTUS? Please explain why? And if you are going to quote talking points, explain/justify why you think hilldogs words should be believed contrary to her past actions (which certifiably are typically the direct opposite of what she claims to stand for).

[Pwns]

Hey, apparently you don't remember Hillary's ads against Obama. You know, the ads where it is at night, and she asked who you would want with access to the nuclear codes?

So, she is, once again, using FEAR to get chumps like you to believe she is safe and responsible.

Hillary...safe and responsible? Yeah...use those terms when remembering the secrets lost on her server. She put her own ego, and her own shady business dealings, and her own desire to put out her own narrative, in front of our nation's safety. And you think she won't do that again as a sitting President?

Hillary...safe and responsible? Yeah, tell that to the people getting killed due to her record setting proliferation of weapons to dictators with horrific human rights records.

Are you sure you weren't an early victim of the Zika virus?

Hillary has help spread the raging wildfire of war across the Middle East and into Asia and Africa...and you are worried about Trump and the bomb.

Guy who praises Edward Snowden is concerned about Hilldog's emails? What do you care about that?

I don't need to wait until I hear from Hillary to make up my own mind about Trump. What she said is what I've been thinking ever since Trump has started opening his mouth on the campaign trail. He's a caricature of the typical politician that transcends party. He's going to make Hilldog seem substantive and a non-panderer by comparison, and that's not easy to do.

[JohnStOnge]

I'm enjoying watching people try to pin Republicans down on some of the stuff Trump said. These poor people who have said they support him now own him and he keeps saying outrageous stuff.

I'm seeing a GOP strategist named Rick Wilson on TV right now saying Trump is not mentally fit to be President. This is after some Republican Congressman tried all kinds of ways to weasel out of just directly answering the question of whether or not he's proud of the way the Republican nominee has conducted himself. The guy could not just say "yes." Couldn't do it. Had to keep trying to change the subject. It was hilarious.

This Congressman also got asked if he agrees with Trump's premise that a judge can't be objective because of his ethnicity. Couldn't answer the question. Tried to change the subject to Hillary but couldn't do that either. Squirm. Squirm. Squirm.

These people now have a real lemon to deal with. Like Paul Ryan having to say one day after "endorsing" this clown that he completely disagrees with what he said about the Federal judge.

It would've been nice to see more Republican leaders actually show that they are leaders by refusing to go along with this crap. The whole Republican Party leadership is in the process of showing that it has no integrity by virtue of failing to just say, "sorry, this guy won the primary, but he's on his own. He's just not an acceptable candidate."

I posted an editorial a while back comparing it to the way the Republican Party refused to endorse David Duke when Duke made the Louisiana runoff for Governor. There are times when principle demands that you do that sort of thing and this was one of those times. The Republican leadership failed the test.

[Thumper 76]

[quote="JohnStOnge" The whole Republican Party leadership is in the process of showing that it has no integrity by virtue of failing to just say, "sorry, this guy won the primary, but he's on his own. He's just not an acceptable candidate."

[/quote]
Right. That would sit well with people. We know he won the vote, but fuck off with what you want. We disagree so we'll choose for you. Do you eat paint chips? The only people I've known to have such an obsessive focus on something is someone with brain damage or mental impairment.


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[JohnStOnge]

Right. That would sit well with people. We know he won the vote, but **** off with what you want. We disagree so we'll choose for you.

No, I'm not saying they should choose a different nominee. What I'm saying is that they should say to the primary voters, "You have chosen a nominee but this is an unacceptable person and we will not support him. He's on his own. We will remain on the sidelines and sit this election out."

That's what integrity and leadership would dictate in this case.

[Thumper 76]

Right. That would sit well with people. We know he won the vote, but **** off with what you want. We disagree so we'll choose for you.

No, I'm not saying they should choose a different nominee. What I'm saying is that they should say to the primary voters, "You have chosen a nominee but this is an unacceptable person and we will not support him. He's on his own. We will remain on the sidelines and sit this election out."

That's what integrity and leadership would dictate in this case.

So basically we thought he was good enough to be allowed to be on our ballot, but holy shit we didn't think he'd actually win, so we won't choose a new guy but we won't back what our party (you know, the people who registered to vote for your party, like we the people) decided they wanted. Sure sounds full of integrity to me. That's like when my old high school said they would let the students they could choose the new mascot and decided they wouldn't back what the students chose. That's not leadership. That's being a pouty bitch when you don't get your way.


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[JohnStOnge]

So honestly, with a straight face, you can say (and more importantly believe) that hilldog is the better person to serve as POTUS? Please explain why?

That question wasn't for me but I'll answer it. First, she is sane. Trump is not. The guy has serious emotional stability and maturity issues as well as problems with impulse control. Second, in spite of arguments to the contrary, she is not a demagogue to the level that Trump is. Not even close. Third, though both are dishonest, Trump has set a new standard in that regard. He's worse. Fourth, she has a clue with respect to what's going on in the world. Maybe not the best clue. But at least a clue. Trump does not. She might not be the BEST qualified for the job ever. But Trump is totally unqualified.

As incredible as it is to say this when we're talking about Hillary: She has better character than he does. Yes, Virginia, it is true. Trump has about as poor a character as a person can have. It just doesn't get any worse.

Yes, Hillary is a bad choice. But the Republican primary electorate managed to make her the better one in this case. Incredible, but true.

[JohnStOnge]

That's being a pouty bitch when you don't get your way.

No, it's not.That's the spin people like Sean Hannity put on it. But that's not it. It's just saying that you have principles and integrity and that if the Republican primary voters pick someone who is totally reprehensible and unacceptable you are not going to participate in it. You are obligated to honor the results of the process in terms of not nixing the results and choosing another nominee. But you are NOT obligated to support that nominee.

I referred earlier to the example of the way the Republican Party handled David Duke when he was running for governor of Louisiana. He made the runoff because Republicans and some others in Louisiana voted that way. So he was in the race. But the Republican Party of Louisiana said "We will not help him. He's on his own."

There are times when things like that are totally appropriate. David Duke's situation was one of them. Donald Trump's is another one.

Republican leaders should be willing to say, "Yes, this guy is our nominee. But in my opinion he does not represent what the Republican Party or even decent citizenship is about. So I will sit this election out. I will not support him."

[JohnStOnge]

I heard/saw a Republican Consultant on TV tonight say Trump has "political Tourette's."

I think that's pretty good. Pretty apt.

The sad thing is that, in spite of that, he's sitting there as the Republican nominee. Not a real good reflection on the Republican electorate.

[AshevilleApp]

Only five more months of this fun folks!

[Ivytalk]

I heard/saw a Republican Consultant on TV tonight say Trump has "political Tourette's."

I think that's pretty good. Pretty apt.

The sad thing is that, in spite of that, he's sitting there as the Republican nominee. Not a real good reflection on the Republican electorate.

I woudn't join an electorate that would have me as a member! -- Groucho Ivytalk

Hey, my Gary Johnson t-shirt arrived yesterday!

[kalm]

So honestly, with a straight face, you can say (and more importantly believe) that hilldog is the better person to serve as POTUS? Please explain why?

That question wasn't for me but I'll answer it. First, she is sane. Trump is not. The guy has serious emotional stability and maturity issues as well as problems with impulse control. Second, in spite of arguments to the contrary, she is not a demagogue to the level that Trump is. Not even close. Third, though both are dishonest, Trump has set a new standard in that regard. He's worse. Fourth, she has a clue with respect to what's going on in the world. Maybe not the best clue. But at least a clue. Trump does not. She might not be the BEST qualified for the job ever. But Trump is totally unqualified.

As incredible as it is to say this when we're talking about Hillary: She has better character than he does. Yes, Virginia, it is true. Trump has about as poor a character as a person can have. It just doesn't get any worse.

Yes, Hillary is a bad choice. But the Republican primary electorate managed to make her the better one in this case. Incredible, but true.

1) If you're 69 years old and act like Trump, you don't have maturity issues...you're just an asshole. Which is fine by me. Some of my favorite people are total assholes (looking around and smiling lovingly at many members of this board!).

2) I love how you are lecturing everyone here about "principles" . If you are all in to "principle" and you're a "principled" conservative who believes in limited government, lower taxes, legalization of drugs, etc. you would be supporting Gary Johnson. The fact you are supporting Hillary instead, says all we need to know about your "principles".

[kalm]

I heard/saw a Republican Consultant on TV tonight say Trump has "political Tourette's."

I think that's pretty good. Pretty apt.

The sad thing is that, in spite of that, he's sitting there as the Republican nominee. Not a real good reflection on the Republican electorate.

I woudn't join an electorate that would have me as a member! -- Groucho Ivytalk

Hey, my Gary Johnson t-shirt arrived yesterday!

I love that line. It reminds me of the Will Rogers quote, "I'm not a member of any organized political party...I'm a Democrat".

Those quotes have been around for 60-70 years. We don't seem to make 'em like we used to, do we IT?

[Ivytalk]

I woudn't join an electorate that would have me as a member! -- Groucho Ivytalk

Hey, my Gary Johnson t-shirt arrived yesterday!

I love that line. It reminds me of the Will Rogers quote, "I'm not a member of any organized political party...I'm a Democrat".

Those quotes have been around for 60-70 years. We don't seem to make 'em like we used to, do we IT?

We certainly don't! I dig 'em out of my first edition of Bartlett's.

[DSUrocks07]

One thing I can say about this election cycle is how it is exposing all of these supposed "highly intellectual" people as the emotional, temper tantrum throwing, halfwits they truly are.

[POD Knows]

One thing I can say about this election cycle is how it is exposing all of these supposed "highly intellectual" people as the emotional, temper tantrum throwing, halfwits they truly are.

Add criminal and dangerous and your post is perfect.

[UNI88]

If everyone else stopped posting in this thread would JSO continue his anti-Trump rant/conversation with himself?