Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

[Ibanez]

Do you think Hillary fatique is going to continue now that she's, essentially, locked up the nomination? Unless Bernie runs as an indy, I see a majority of his supporters falling in line behind Clinton.

I, as someone that voted for Sanders, will probably stay home on election day. Or vote Gary Johnson.

Actually, I think i'll drink that night and hope it's all a bad dream.

I think it might a bit. I don't think Bernie's supporters like her at all. They view her the same as they see establishment Republicans. There might be sympathy from Trump attacking her but I just don't see her as all that sympathetic of a person. I think fear of Trump is the best thing she has going for her.

Most of Bernie's supporters are 18-29. I don't see them going for Trump or Clinton, en masse. Her best bet would be to get the 45+ age group, in my personal and professional opinion. That's the group that she's been doing well with and that'll be the group (people like you) who aren't swayed by Trumps shtick.

[houndawg]

I think it might a bit. I don't think Bernie's supporters like her at all. They view her the same as they see establishment Republicans. There might be sympathy from Trump attacking her but I just don't see her as all that sympathetic of a person. I think fear of Trump is the best thing she has going for her.

Most of Bernie's supporters are 18-29. I don't see them going for Trump or Clinton, en masse. Her best bet would be to get the 45+ age group, in my personal and professional opinion. That's the group that she's been doing well with and that'll be the group (people like you) who aren't swayed by Trumps shtick.

All I see them doing en masse is staying home. I think Bernie going Independent is enough of a threat that the Democrats will have to buy him off with some platform goodies. That they will subsequently ignore of course. Now what would be interesting would be Bernie hooking up with the Greens.

[GannonFan]

Most of Bernie's supporters are 18-29. I don't see them going for Trump or Clinton, en masse. Her best bet would be to get the 45+ age group, in my personal and professional opinion. That's the group that she's been doing well with and that'll be the group (people like you) who aren't swayed by Trumps shtick.

All I see them doing en masse is staying home. I think Bernie going Independent is enough of a threat that the Democrats will have to buy him off with some platform goodies. That they will subsequently ignore of course. Now what would be interesting would be Bernie hooking up with the Greens.

Agreed, hard core Bernie supporters are not going with either candidate in the upcoming election. Even if they viewed one better than the other, it's not by much and not worth voting. If Bernie did go third party, though, that would cause a lot of trouble. Doubtful he'll do it though.

[SDHornet]

Do you think Hillary fatique is going to continue now that she's, essentially, locked up the nomination? Unless Bernie runs as an indy, I see a majority of his supporters falling in line behind Clinton.

I, as someone that voted for Sanders, will probably stay home on election day. Or vote Gary Johnson.

Actually, I think i'll drink that night and hope it's all a bad dream.

I think it might a bit. I don't think Bernie's supporters like her at all. They view her the same as they see establishment Republicans. There might be sympathy from Trump attacking her but I just don't see her as all that sympathetic of a person. I think fear of Trump is the best thing she has going for her.

Naw, bernie supporters are fickle, and most lack any backbone...hell just look at bernie, he lacks balls and they embody that. I know, I talk to a lot of them (teachers mostly) who buy into the bernie game but will not hesitate to switch over to hilldog because they don't want to be brow beaten into going against the donk wishes. It's quite pathetic.

[93henfan]

I think it might a bit. I don't think Bernie's supporters like her at all. They view her the same as they see establishment Republicans. There might be sympathy from Trump attacking her but I just don't see her as all that sympathetic of a person. I think fear of Trump is the best thing she has going for her.

Naw, bernie supporters are fickle, and most lack any backbone...hell just look at bernie, he lacks balls and they embody that. I know, I talk to a lot of them (teachers mostly) who buy into the bernie game but will not hesitate to switch over to hilldog because they don't want to be brow beaten into going against the donk wishes. It's quite pathetic.

Exactly. All Democrat voters care about is punishing white men and getting their free handouts and preferential treatment. They will all reliably vote for Hillacunt.

[Ivytalk]

Bernie has already folded his tent and is singing Kumbaya with Barry Soetero. Old windbag.

[JohnStOnge]

I am encouraged that I do not see any suggestion that the State Department IG report caused a down tic for Clinton. I was expecting that to happen. I think maybe Trump putting his foot in his mouth with the Judge thing helped. I also think that the way Trump handled that is consistent with my belief that he has emotional maturity and stability problems along with impulse control issues. No counting chickens but it looks like Clinton got through the IG report hit:



The IG report news broke on May 25. Looks like minimal if any impact. Now we just need for the FBI to shit or get off the pot on its investigation so we can get that behind us.

[SDHornet]

I am encouraged that I do not see any suggestion that the State Department IG report caused a down tic for Clinton.

So you have no issue with a presidential nominee being investigated by the FBI and State Dept IG...God you are a fucking idiot.

[kalm]

Naw, bernie supporters are fickle, and most lack any backbone...hell just look at bernie, he lacks balls and they embody that. I know, I talk to a lot of them (teachers mostly) who buy into the bernie game but will not hesitate to switch over to hilldog because they don't want to be brow beaten into going against the donk wishes. It's quite pathetic.

Exactly. All Democrat voters care about is punishing white men and getting their free handouts and preferential treatment. They will all reliably vote for Hillacunt.

This!!!

[JohnStOnge]

I am encouraged that I do not see any suggestion that the State Department IG report caused a down tic for Clinton.

So you have no issue with a presidential nominee being investigated by the FBI and State Dept IG...God you are a **** idiot.

Yes I do. Believe me when I say I wish the Republican primary electorate had not screwed everything up by putting forth somebody even worse as the Republican nominee. I have a choice between someone being investigated by the FBI and a mentally ill, thoroughly dishonest nut job. And emphasis on mentally ill. The guy IS that and we are talking about putting him into the Commander in Chief's position.

[JohnStOnge]

I am encouraged that I do not see any suggestion that the State Department IG report caused a down tic for Clinton.

So you have no issue with a presidential nominee being investigated by the FBI and State Dept IG...God you are a **** idiot.

The imperative now is to have Trump defeated in a landslide. That is very important to the future of the United States and outweighs everything else. We must have a situation in which it is abundantly clear to the Republican electorate that they are NOT to put forth a thing like THAT as their nominee.

[SDHornet]

So you have no issue with a presidential nominee being investigated by the FBI and State Dept IG...God you are a **** idiot.

Yes I do. Believe me when I say I wish the Republican primary electorate had not screwed everything up by putting forth somebody even worse as the Republican nominee. I have a choice between someone being investigated by the FBI and a mentally ill, thoroughly dishonest nut job. And emphasis on mentally ill. The guy IS that and we are talking about putting him into the Commander in Chief's position.

It's pretty clear you should go have yourself checked out. You need help. Maybe start drinking bottled water, spandos said they put stuff in the Louisiana water you drink...wait, what's that? Oh sorry, you are just consuming the effluent of the entire Mid-West...never mind, carry on...

[Ivytalk]

So you have no issue with a presidential nominee being investigated by the FBI and State Dept IG...God you are a **** idiot.

The imperative now is to have Trump defeated in a landslide. That is very important to the future of the United States and outweighs everything else. We must have a situation in which it is abundantly clear to the Republican electorate that they are NOT to put forth a thing like THAT as their nominee.

Some libertarian you are. If you had the courage of your convictions, you'd back Gary Johnson. Supporting Hildabitch and her statist minions will tear down constitutional government faster than you can say Huey Long.

[CAA Flagship]

The imperative now is to have Trump defeated in a landslide. That is very important to the future of the United States and outweighs everything else. We must have a situation in which it is abundantly clear to the Republican electorate that they are NOT to put forth a thing like THAT as their nominee.

Some libertarian you are. If you had the courage of your convictions, you'd back Gary Johnson. Supporting Hildabitch and her statist minions will tear down constitutional government faster than you can say Huey Long.

*Howie

[UNI88]

The imperative now is to have Trump defeated in a landslide. That is very important to the future of the United States and outweighs everything else. We must have a situation in which it is abundantly clear to the Republican electorate that they are NOT to put forth a thing like THAT as their nominee.

Some libertarian you are. If you had the courage of your convictions, you'd back Gary Johnson. Supporting Hildabitch and her statist minions will tear down constitutional government faster than you can say Huey Long.

Kingfish

[Ibanez]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... fairs.html

'I couldn't imagine why Billy would haul such a person in the plane with him in public. She was wearing a misshapen, brown, dress-like thing that must have been intended to hide her lumpy body. The garment was long, but stopped too soon to hide her fat ankles and her thick calves covered with black hair'.
'Thick brown sandals did nothing to conceal her wide feet and the hair on her toes'. Dolly was embarrassed that she was staring.
Hillary's eyes, glared at her from behind coke-bottle-thick lenses' with an air of real hostility.
Her thick eyebrows melded together stretching across her forehead.
'In that moment, I noticed that the woman emitted an overpowering odor of perspiration and greasy hair. I hoped that I wouldn't gag when she got in the car'.

Eventually, when so many people are saying the same thing...there has to be some truth in it.

In March 1979, Bill told Dolly he wanted a child but had a low sperm count.
'We need to have a baby so we can appear to be a normal couple. We need to do something serious to take attention off the Warden's lifestyle'.
He did not use the word lesbian. He was asking Dolly to pray that a baby would be forthcoming. Dolly suggested he had to bite the bullet and sleep with Hillary.

[HI54UNI]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... fairs.html

'I couldn't imagine why Billy would haul such a person in the plane with him in public. She was wearing a misshapen, brown, dress-like thing that must have been intended to hide her lumpy body. The garment was long, but stopped too soon to hide her fat ankles and her thick calves covered with black hair'.
'Thick brown sandals did nothing to conceal her wide feet and the hair on her toes'. Dolly was embarrassed that she was staring.
Hillary's eyes, glared at her from behind coke-bottle-thick lenses' with an air of real hostility.
Her thick eyebrows melded together stretching across her forehead.
'In that moment, I noticed that the woman emitted an overpowering odor of perspiration and greasy hair. I hoped that I wouldn't gag when she got in the car'.

Eventually, when so many people are saying the same thing...there has to be some truth in it.

In March 1979, Bill told Dolly he wanted a child but had a low sperm count.
'We need to have a baby so we can appear to be a normal couple. We need to do something serious to take attention off the Warden's lifestyle'.
He did not use the word lesbian. He was asking Dolly to pray that a baby would be forthcoming. Dolly suggested he had to bite the bullet and sleep with Hillary.

Bill never had to. He had Web Hubbell sleep with her instead.

[SDHornet]

The imperative now is to have Trump defeated in a landslide. That is very important to the future of the United States and outweighs everything else. We must have a situation in which it is abundantly clear to the Republican electorate that they are NOT to put forth a thing like THAT as their nominee.

Some libertarian you are. If you had the courage of your convictions, you'd back Gary Johnson. Supporting Hildabitch and her statist minions will tear down constitutional government faster than you can say Huey Long.

No shit.

[HI54UNI]

JSO

You keep saying that Trump is mentally ill but that Hilldog is not. But we know Hilldog is a lesbian so doesn't that make her mentally ill?

[Ibanez]

[JohnStOnge]

Some libertarian you are. If you had the courage of your convictions, you'd back Gary Johnson. Supporting Hildabitch and her statist minions will tear down constitutional government faster than you can say Huey Long.

I have always said that, though I am a Libertarian, I will always vote in Presidential elections for one of the two candidates that has a reasonable chance to win. I am one of those who thinks that if you do otherwise you are wasting your vote. You have to choose between the lesser of two evils. In this case I think Clinton is the lesser of two evils.

Plus I don't really like Johnson. I might've voted for Ron Paul in a situation like this. And I probably would've voted for Austin Petersen if he'd succeeded in getting the Libertarian Party nomination this year. But Johnson just doesn't light my fire.

Either way: The most important thing to me is to, hopefully, see Trump not only lose but get blown out. The Republican Party is the only meaningful barrier to the Democratic Party for the long term but if the Republican Party is going to put forth people like Trump there's no point. There's no longer any meaningful alternative. I think that, for the long term good of the country, it's extremely important that Trump gets strongly rebuffed so that, hopefully, the Republican Party doesn't do something like this again.

[JohnStOnge]

First seen in the David Duke vs. Edwin Edwards Louisiana gubernatorial election in 1991 and appropriate now:



And that slogan was developed by a leading Republican in the State. The Republican Party worked to defeat the Republican candidate. I think the current situation is similar. If the Republican Party wants to do what is best for its long term viability it should refuse to support Trump just like the Republican Party of Louisiana refused to support David Duke as the Republican candidate for Governor in 1991.

[JohnStOnge]

BTW, on this thing about Trump being so beloved by the Republican base:

The final tally has him winning 44% of the vote in the Republican Primaries in spite of the fact that the final 9 primaries. In those final 9 primaries combined he got 74% of the vote.

Two things about that: First, I think it's reasonable to say that he may not have gotten to 40% of the total vote if Cruz and/or Kasich would've remained in the race. Second, 26% of the people who voted in Republican primaries voted against him in the final 9 States even though nobody else was running.

This thing about him being the "overwhelming" choice among Republican primary voters is complete nonsense.

[Ivytalk]

Some libertarian you are. If you had the courage of your convictions, you'd back Gary Johnson. Supporting Hildabitch and her statist minions will tear down constitutional government faster than you can say Huey Long.

I have always said that, though I am a Libertarian, I will always vote in Presidential elections for one of the two candidates that has a reasonable chance to win. I am one of those who thinks that if you do otherwise you are wasting your vote. You have to choose between the lesser of two evils. In this case I think Clinton is the lesser of two evils.

Plus I don't really like Johnson. I might've voted for Ron Paul in a situation like this. And I probably would've voted for Austin Petersen if he'd succeeded in getting the Libertarian Party nomination this year. But Johnson just doesn't light my fire.

Either way: The most important thing to me is to, hopefully, see Trump not only lose but get blown out. The Republican Party is the only meaningful barrier to the Democratic Party for the long term but if the Republican Party is going to put forth people like Trump there's no point. There's no longer any meaningful alternative. I think that, for the long term good of the country, it's extremely important that Trump gets strongly rebuffed so that, hopefully, the Republican Party doesn't do something like this again.

OK, he doesn't light your fire. So what? Have you studied where Johnson stands on the issues, and compared those positions to Trump and Clinton? Have you figured out which candidate comes closest to upholding constitutional government and protecting liberty interests? The real "wasted vote" is a vote against principle and conscience. I'm comfortable with supporting Gary. He's not perfect, by any means, but he's the clear choice this year.

[JohnStOnge]

The real "wasted vote" is a vote against principle and conscience.

My vote is probably not going to count regardless because I live in Louisiana and Louisiana, unfortunately, is almost certainly going to be a Trump State. However, if it did count I would consider it very important to do whatever I could to ensure that Trump does not become President. And that would be based on principle and conscience.

To me, if you are going to vote on the basis of principle and conscience, you look at the reality of the situation and try to do what has the best chance to result in the best outcome.