Brainwashed Republican talks about brainwashing...

[hitchinaride]

Difference between pro-life and pro-birth which is what most "pro-life" people are. To hell with the kid once he/she is born. I'm sure that hijo del Dios approves............

[89Hen]

37 states recognize killing a fetus as homicide

And how many women are prosecuted and sentenced according to those states' homicide laws?

I should have been more clear. Surely you know that California, one of the most liberal states, has convicted people of double murder for killing a pregnant woman, yes?

[89Hen]

Nope. My faith has ZERO to do with my pro-life stance and I don't impose my faith on anyone else.

This bald faced lie doesn't even stick in this highly practiced word benders throat...
and that makes me laugh every time

Not a lie and you are a fucking moron still.

[89Hen]

Because the old adage
"what's good for me personally isn't good for me politically"

You mean like Joe Biden and Tim Kaine? Both pro-life personally, but pro-choice politically. Go figure.

[Chizzang]

Because the old adage
"what's good for me personally isn't good for me politically"

You mean like Joe Biden and Tim Kaine? Both pro-life personally, but pro-choice politically. Go figure.

Because almost everybody is "personally Pro-life"
and should be politically pro choice

its the only logically defensible and reasonable place to reside

and

Yes, you're lying but I understand
because otherwise you can't sit at the adult table during this conversation

[DSUrocks07]

Not when it's inconvenient for a mother.

If a woman is pregnant, she's not a mother yet. Do pregnant women celebrate Mother's Day?

Go ahead and tell a woman who's had a miscarriage that she never was a mother. See how well that goes over.

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[UNI88]

You mean like Joe Biden and Tim Kaine? Both pro-life personally, but pro-choice politically. Go figure.

Because almost everybody is "personally Pro-life"
and should be politically pro choice

its the only logically defensible and reasonable place to reside

I usually agree with you Cleets but I have to disagree on this one. If I understand 89's position, he believes that a fetus is a life so abortion is murder and he is pro-life personally and politically. You might disagree but his position is defensible and reasonable based on his beliefs.

If I'm correct, it actually goes a long way toward understanding his perspective on the presidential election. Gary Johnson and the Libertarian Party are too pro-choice for him. Trump's more recent statements and positions make him a more appealing candidate but his flip flopping probably makes 89 extremely wary of voting for him. He's not sure but if he doesn't trust Trump, he might just not vote for POTUS.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

07 is right on the money on this one.

[Chizzang]

Because almost everybody is "personally Pro-life"
and should be politically pro choice

its the only logically defensible and reasonable place to reside

I usually agree with you Cleets but I have to disagree on this one. If I understand 89's position, he believes that a fetus is a life so abortion is murder and he is pro-life personally and politically. You might disagree but his position is defensible and reasonable based on his beliefs.

If I'm correct, it actually goes a long way toward understanding his perspective on the presidential election. Gary Johnson and the Libertarian Party are too pro-choice for him. Trump's more recent statements and positions make him a more appealing candidate but his flip flopping probably makes 89 extremely wary of voting for him. He's not sure but if he doesn't trust Trump, he might just not vote for POTUS.

politics aside:
His position is a moral black hole...

If the fetus is a human being
then abortion is murder (period) end of discussion

Murder is a crime of fundamental importance
Murder should be taken seriously in every example - without exception

All cases of abortion should be treated as murder cases
and why wouldn't they - a human was murdered

This ^ is the logical conclusion to this position
Where everyday women would be tried for premeditated 1st degree murder
31 states have a 1st degree murder death penalty (irony of all ironies)
and these women should get death sentences for premeditated murder
Because by definition that is the purpose of the law - 1st degree premeditated murder = Death penalty

I can keep going
Because this is the logical end game to abortion is murder - a - moral high ground debate
...............................................................................................................................

I much prefer:
"I personally am against abortion"
But it should be a woman's right to chose

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Except that abortion is the killing of life, its basic science.

[kalm]

I usually agree with you Cleets but I have to disagree on this one. If I understand 89's position, he believes that a fetus is a life so abortion is murder and he is pro-life personally and politically. You might disagree but his position is defensible and reasonable based on his beliefs.

If I'm correct, it actually goes a long way toward understanding his perspective on the presidential election. Gary Johnson and the Libertarian Party are too pro-choice for him. Trump's more recent statements and positions make him a more appealing candidate but his flip flopping probably makes 89 extremely wary of voting for him. He's not sure but if he doesn't trust Trump, he might just not vote for POTUS.

politics aside:
His position is a moral black hole...

If the fetus is a human being
then abortion is murder (period) end of discussion

Murder is a crime of fundamental importance
Murder should be taken seriously in every example - without exception

All cases of abortion should be treated as murder cases
and why wouldn't they - a human was murdered

This ^ is the logical conclusion to this position
Where everyday women would be tried for premeditated 1st degree murder
31 states have a 1st degree murder death penalty (irony of all ironies)
and these women should get death sentences for premeditated murder
Because by definition that is the purpose of the law - 1st degree premeditated murder = Death penalty

I can keep going
Because this is the logical end game to abortion is murder - a - moral high ground debate
...............................................................................................................................

I much prefer:
"I personally am against abortion"
But it should be a woman's right to chose

Double post

[kalm]

politics aside:
His position is a moral black hole...

If the fetus is a human being
then abortion is murder (period) end of discussion

Murder is a crime of fundamental importance
Murder should be taken seriously in every example - without exception

All cases of abortion should be treated as murder cases
and why wouldn't they - a human was murdered

This ^ is the logical conclusion to this position
Where everyday women would be tried for premeditated 1st degree murder
31 states have a 1st degree murder death penalty (irony of all ironies)
and these women should get death sentences for premeditated murder
Because by definition that is the purpose of the law - 1st degree premeditated murder = Death penalty

I can keep going
Because this is the logical end game to abortion is murder - a - moral high ground debate
...............................................................................................................................

I much prefer:
"I personally am against abortion"
But it should be a woman's right to chose

And the killing of providers is defensible and should be supported.

[Baldy]

If a woman is pregnant, she's not a mother yet. Do pregnant women celebrate Mother's Day?

Go ahead and tell a woman who's had a miscarriage that she never was a mother. See how well that goes over.

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BOOM!

[Chizzang]

Except that abortion is the killing of life, its basic science.

I mention that very specifically in my post (can you read..?)

So you agree then
women that elect abortion should be tried as murderers - 1st degree premeditated murderers

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Except that abortion is the killing of life, its basic science.

I mention that very specifically in my post (can you read..?)

So you agree then
women that elect abortion should be tried as murderers - 1st degree premeditated murderers

I dont read many of your posts, but yes I agree they should be tried as murderers.......unless the guy signs an "Opt out" agreement then she can do what she wants and murder her baby since she chose to fu*k and get pregnant with some douchebag she didnt want to have kids with since shes kind of a slum slit.

[Chizzang]

I mention that very specifically in my post (can you read..?)

So you agree then
women that elect abortion should be tried as murderers - 1st degree premeditated murderers

I dont read many of your posts, but yes I agree they should be tried as murderers.......unless the guy signs an "Opt out" agreement then she can do what she wants and murder her baby since she chose to fu*k and get pregnant with some douchebag she didnt want to have kids with since shes kind of a slum slit.

Ah yes, very enlightened
So the man gets to decide

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I dont read many of your posts, but yes I agree they should be tried as murderers.......unless the guy signs an "Opt out" agreement then she can do what she wants and murder her baby since she chose to fu*k and get pregnant with some douchebag she didnt want to have kids with since shes kind of a slum slit.

Ah yes, very enlightened
So the man gets to decide

If he can lose 50% or more in a divorce I thinks its only fair he gets to have 50% say in keeping his child from being murdered. We want equality in this country dont we?

I didnt know you were such a yuppie barbarian?

[Chizzang]

Ah yes, very enlightened
So the man gets to decide

If he can lose 50% or more in a divorce I thinks its only fair he gets to have 50% say in keeping his child from being murdered. We want equality in this country dont we?

I didnt know you were such a yuppie barbarian?

I'm just here trying to learn
Above you say he has 100% power over what happens to the baby
are you changing that?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

No, above I am saying he should have a choice as well......I am pro choice.

[Chizzang]

No, above I am saying he should have a choice as well......I am pro choice.

So that choice you're talking about should be a legally defined choice, you're saying...
So based entirely on his choice to "opt out" she is either a Murderer or 100% A-okay



I got it... Thanks for clarifying

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

No, if he decides to have the abortion then charge both of them accordingly.

Its called personal responsibility, for every action there are consequences, if you dont want to deal with consequences then make better decisions.

[Chizzang]

No, if he decides to have the abortion then charge both of them accordingly.

Its called personal responsibility, for every action there are consequences, if you dont want to deal with consequences then make better decisions.

I totally agree ^ and am not at all confused about consequences
So if he "ops out" she's the murderer
and if he is involved but wants an abortion he's also a murderer

this is fun - and you're bat shit crazy

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Its called equality, deal with it.

[Chizzang]

Its called equality, deal with it.

Thank you for your equal and balanced appraisal of the abortion issue

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I hope you learned something today