The True Measure of Progressivism

[kalm]

According to Paul Ryan, the consolidation of power is part of the progressive vision. Perhaps he's thinking of crony-capitalism?

It's not just healthcare. We've also seen consolidation in the banking industry. Since Dodd-Frank became law, our country has lost on average one community financial institution per day. There are now fewer than 6,500 banks in total, the lowest level since the Great Depression.

And Dodd-Frank's regulations have not helped the American people. Before Dodd-Frank, 75 percent of banks offered free checking. Two years after it passed, only 39 percent did. A study by Javelin Strategy and Research suggests that Dodd-Frank regulations fueled a 21 percent surge in checking fees between 2006-12.

But this consolidation is all part of the progressive vision. Free enterprise and local communities are just too messy and unreliable to solve problems. Instead, you need a big government to control big business, both of which must be run by a small, select elite — or as we call them today, "the experts."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/paul- ... le/2601345

[OL FU]

Definitions can be relative. Is crony capitalism part of progressive ideology, probably not. Has it been part of progressive politics, absolutely.

Unfortunately, In that regard conservative politics hasn't been different.

[Pwns]

But Hilldog has assured us during her campaign that DF is progressive and reigns in the banks!

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[GannonFan]

Definitions can be relative. Is crony capitalism part of progressive ideology, probably not. Has it been part of progressive politics, absolutely.

Unfortunately, In that regard conservative politics hasn't been different.

Agreed, the difference between the hope (the ideology) and the application (the politics) is the problem. Progressive politics is just lipstick on the pig that is everyday politics and in that regard, it is as crony as the conservative politics has been. Call it what you want, but it ends up being the same.

[Chizzang]

Paul Ryan...

After converting Wisconsin into a Rolling Dumpster Fire
He's ready to lead the Republican party

[HI54UNI]

Paul Ryan...

After converting Wisconsin into a Rolling Dumpster Fire
He's ready to lead the Republican party

Are you thinking of Scott Walker?

Although I agree that Paul Ryan is

[Chizzang]

Paul Ryan...

After converting Wisconsin into a Rolling Dumpster Fire
He's ready to lead the Republican party

Are you thinking of Scott Walker?

Although I agree that Paul Ryan is

Wait you mean this isn't the same guy..?




I'm going to need to see more evidence

[CID1990]

Are you thinking of Scott Walker?

Although I agree that Paul Ryan is

Wait you mean this isn't the same guy..?




I'm going to need to see more evidence

Masterful recovery, Doofus





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[OL FU]

So while both sides unfortunately create the same problems because of politics there is a fundamental difference if politics could be put aside. While neither side from a philosophical standpoint promotes crony capitalism, the definition of progressive policies is government involvement to fix things. The problem with government involvement to fix things means that some will do better than others because they are more equipped to deal with government involvement. Doddfrank regs. Certainly small banks suffer because of the cost of the regulations. Big banks suffer too but can afford the expense and pick up the customers of the small banks. Climate change - a good cause maybe. But companies thrive not because their products are marketable but because of subsidies and tax credits that make their products affordable . The unfortunate consequence of big government while many times is well intended is exactly this- crony capitalism. Now the problem in the conservative side is that philosophically it should be easy to prevent this. But they can't keep the politics out of it so the keep defense contractors in business with obsolete products , keep military bases open in their districts and give tax breaks that create unfair economic advantages. It really is a sad situation

[kalm]

So while both sides unfortunately create the same problems because of politics there is a fundamental difference if politics could be put aside. While neither side from a philosophical standpoint promotes crony capitalism, the definition of progressive policies is government involvement to fix things. The problem with government involvement to fix things means that some will do better than others because they are more equipped to deal with government involvement. Doddfrank regs. Certainly small banks suffer because of the cost of the regulations. Big banks suffer too but can afford the expense and pick up the customers of the small banks. Climate change - a good cause maybe. But companies thrive not because their products are marketable but because of subsidies and tax credits that make their products affordable . The unfortunate consequence of big government while many times is well intended is exactly this- crony capitalism. Now the problem in the conservative side is that philosophically it should be easy to prevent this. But they can't keep the politics out of it so the keep defense contractors in business with obsolete products , keep military bases open in their districts and give tax breaks that create unfair economic advantages. It really is a sad situation

Dodd-Frank is a good example of crony capitalism but I'm not sure it's a good example of progressivism. I know certain Democrats will use the progressive moniker but that doesn't mean your definition of progressive is accurate.

[OL FU]

So while both sides unfortunately create the same problems because of politics there is a fundamental difference if politics could be put aside. While neither side from a philosophical standpoint promotes crony capitalism, the definition of progressive policies is government involvement to fix things. The problem with government involvement to fix things means that some will do better than others because they are more equipped to deal with government involvement. Doddfrank regs. Certainly small banks suffer because of the cost of the regulations. Big banks suffer too but can afford the expense and pick up the customers of the small banks. Climate change - a good cause maybe. But companies thrive not because their products are marketable but because of subsidies and tax credits that make their products affordable . The unfortunate consequence of big government while many times is well intended is exactly this- crony capitalism. Now the problem in the conservative side is that philosophically it should be easy to prevent this. But they can't keep the politics out of it so the keep defense contractors in business with obsolete products , keep military bases open in their districts and give tax breaks that create unfair economic advantages. It really is a sad situation

Dodd-Frank is a good example of crony capitalism but I'm not sure it's a good example of progressivism. I know certain Democrats will use the progressive moniker but that doesn't mean your definition of progressive is accurate.

I think my definition of the political impact of progressivism big government is dead on whether Dodd frank is a good example I really have no clue. Was it an attempt to fix a problem that had unintended consequences or was it an implicit plan to help the big banks no clue

[OL FU]

So while both sides unfortunately create the same problems because of politics there is a fundamental difference if politics could be put aside. While neither side from a philosophical standpoint promotes crony capitalism, the definition of progressive policies is government involvement to fix things. The problem with government involvement to fix things means that some will do better than others because they are more equipped to deal with government involvement. Doddfrank regs. Certainly small banks suffer because of the cost of the regulations. Big banks suffer too but can afford the expense and pick up the customers of the small banks. Climate change - a good cause maybe. But companies thrive not because their products are marketable but because of subsidies and tax credits that make their products affordable . The unfortunate consequence of big government while many times is well intended is exactly this- crony capitalism. Now the problem in the conservative side is that philosophically it should be easy to prevent this. But they can't keep the politics out of it so the keep defense contractors in business with obsolete products , keep military bases open in their districts and give tax breaks that create unfair economic advantages. It really is a sad situation

Dodd-Frank is a good example of crony capitalism but I'm not sure it's a good example of progressivism. I know certain Democrats will use the progressive moniker but that doesn't mean your definition of progressive is accurate.

On the other hand we aren't going to agree. I think the ramifications of progressivism is less freedom you disagree . We still appreciate each other or at least appreciate you. Life is good even though we don't agree except that trump and billary are bad !!!!

[kalm]

Dodd-Frank is a good example of crony capitalism but I'm not sure it's a good example of progressivism. I know certain Democrats will use the progressive moniker but that doesn't mean your definition of progressive is accurate.

I think my definition of the political impact of progressivism big government is dead on whether Dodd frank is a good example I really have no clue. Was it an attempt to fix a problem that had unintended consequences or was it an implicit plan to help the big banks no clue

You weren't talking political impact of progressives. And neither Dodd nor Frank are hardly progressive when it comes to banking.

[kalm]

Dodd-Frank is a good example of crony capitalism but I'm not sure it's a good example of progressivism. I know certain Democrats will use the progressive moniker but that doesn't mean your definition of progressive is accurate.

On the other hand we aren't going to agree. I think the ramifications of progressivism is less freedom you disagree . We still appreciate each other or at least appreciate you. Life is good even though we don't agree except that trump and billary are bad !!!!

That's truly the great debate here. I would of course submit that unrestricted capitalism can quell freedom as well. That's the blind spot of pure libertarianism and many regressive policies have also led to that.

But yes...I appreciate you as well!

[OL FU]

On the other hand we aren't going to agree. I think the ramifications of progressivism is less freedom you disagree . We still appreciate each other or at least appreciate you. Life is good even though we don't agree except that trump and billary are bad !!!!

That's truly the great debate here. I would of course submit that unrestricted capitalism can quell freedom as well. That's the blind spot of pure libertarianism and many regressive policies have also led to that.

But yes...I appreciate you as well!

But the debate isn't and never has been total government or no government. It's more government versus less government. Of course it is all about degrees.

[OL FU]

I think my definition of the political impact of progressivism big government is dead on whether Dodd frank is a good example I really have no clue. Was it an attempt to fix a problem that had unintended consequences or was it an implicit plan to help the big banks no clue

You weren't talking political impact of progressives. And neither Dodd nor Frank are hardly progressive when it comes to banking.

It was my intention to speak to the political impact even if I didn't accomplish it

[CID1990]

That's truly the great debate here. I would of course submit that unrestricted capitalism can quell freedom as well. That's the blind spot of pure libertarianism and many regressive policies have also led to that.

But yes...I appreciate you as well!

But the debate isn't and never has been total government or no government. It's more government versus less government. Of course it is all about degrees.

Oh no FU-

Dont try telling skelly or klam or HD or any of the other bobbleheads this

smaller govt = no govt = anarchy

god knows how we muddled through before government perfected our lives


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[HI54UNI]

Wait you mean this isn't the same guy..?




I'm going to need to see more evidence

Masterful recovery, Doofus





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[kalm]

But the debate isn't and never has been total government or no government. It's more government versus less government. Of course it is all about degrees.

Oh no FU-

Dont try telling skelly or klam or HD or any of the other bobbleheads this

smaller govt = no govt = anarchy

god knows how we muddled through before government perfected our lives


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Great! But do I then get to paraphrase Ryan and OL FU and say consolidation of private power is a part of the conservative/libertarian vision?

[OL FU]

Oh no FU-

Dont try telling skelly or klam or HD or any of the other bobbleheads this

smaller govt = no govt = anarchy

god knows how we muddled through before government perfected our lives


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Great! But do I then get to paraphrase Ryan and OL FU and say consolidation of private power is a part of the conservative/libertarian vision?

Only if you admit that a lot of the consolidation of private power many times comes from the unintended consequence of progressive legislation.

[kalm]

Great! But do I then get to paraphrase Ryan and OL FU and say consolidation of private power is a part of the conservative/libertarian vision?

Only if you admit that a lot of the consolidation of private power many times comes from the unintended consequence of progressive legislation.

Of course. Ironically that includes Paul Ryan's own family.

But I would also contend that financial legislation of the sort Clinton signed into law in the late 90's was not progressive. And then there's GWB's home ownership plan pushed by conservatives in the mid 2000's.

[OL FU]

Only if you admit that a lot of the consolidation of private power many times comes from the unintended consequence of progressive legislation.

Of course. Ironically that includes Paul Ryan's own family.

But I would also contend that financial legislation of the sort Clinton signed into law in the late 90's was not progressive. And then there's GWB's home ownership plan pushed by conservatives in the mid 2000's.

You don't get an argument from me. We're fucked.

[kalm]

Of course. Ironically that includes Paul Ryan's own family.

But I would also contend that financial legislation of the sort Clinton signed into law in the late 90's was not progressive. And then there's GWB's home ownership plan pushed by conservatives in the mid 2000's.

You don't get an argument from me. We're fucked.

[Bisonfanatical]

Of course. Ironically that includes Paul Ryan's own family.

But I would also contend that financial legislation of the sort Clinton signed into law in the late 90's was not progressive. And then there's GWB's home ownership plan pushed by conservatives in the mid 2000's.

You don't get an argument from me. We're ****.

The elite shadow powers push every agenda thru both parties at will, by design.
They successfully have demonized every independent thought as some type off "conspiracy theory". .. only in America ... lol
You want to know who controls every thing. ..look at the "hidden" private financiers of the "Central Banks" that are in "every" country of the world.
These are facts.
Trying to find out the identity of these people is almost impossible?
We spend so much time in this country demonizing each other due to blind party politics and cute catch phrases while the global world controlled by these central banks spins closer and closer, and America is NOT to big to fail.
When our debt is finally to big to sustain and the "central banks" finally raise their interest rates then we will see both party faithful saying something like..

OH SHIT, WE ARE SCREWED



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