Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

[Wedgebuster]

Appears to me that Trump has completely melted down this week, the debate was bad enough, but he has gone out of the way ever since, to make it worse. Totally jumped the shark over the Miss Universe debacle..

[JohnStOnge]

The target rich environment that is his history and background is starting to come into play.

[JohnStOnge]

Appears to me that Trump has completely melted down this week, the debate was bad enough, but he has gone out of the way ever since, to make it worse. Totally jumped the shark over the Miss Universe debacle..

My thought on this is that, once again, he is showing that he has serious emotional maturity and stability problems. He's acting like a little kid. Again.

I'd heard that Hillary had hired psychologists to coach her on manipulating the buffoon. It apparently worked.

Trump is a sick puppy. You people who continue to shill for him need to accept reality.

[JohnStOnge]

As it happens, shortly after I wrote my last post, this guy comes on TV talking about how Hillary hired a team of psychologists to handle Trump. And this guy makes the point that if he WERE to be elected President foreign leaders would be doing psychological operations analyses of him. We'd be completely screwed if this guy was President.

Again: You people supporting this guy need to cry uncle. You screwed up. You made a mistake in supporting this guy. You need to admit it.

[Ivytalk]

As it happens, shortly after I wrote my last post, this guy comes on TV talking about how Hillary hired a team of psychologists to handle Trump. And this guy makes the point that if he WERE to be elected President foreign leaders would be doing psychological operations analyses of him. We'd be completely screwed if this guy was President.

Again: You people supporting this guy need to cry uncle. You screwed up. You made a mistake in supporting this guy. You need to admit it.

Don't you have anything better to do? How's McNeese doing this year?

[Skjellyfetti]

Hey baldy...

Fox News just released their debate poll. Goes along with every single other scientific poll.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09 ... sides.html

I look forward to your debunking.

[slycat]

The best part of the debate was Trump saying he has the best temperament and then completely lost it by the end of the debate. Hillary absolutely got him wound up but in the end it doesn't matter how bad he is at debating. He could make fart noises the whole time and wouldn't lose a vote. Just like Hillary can't do anything to lose votes. I don't see any big swings either way. The undecideds will not move in big enough numbers.

Trump missed great chances to call Hillary out on her server during the cyber security bit and didn't. I mean that's as easy as it gets in the debate. And then he complained after that the moderator didn't bring it up. Do it yourself next time Trump.

[Ivytalk]

Hey baldy...

Fox News just released their debate poll. Goes along with every single other scientific poll.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09 ... sides.html

I look forward to your debunking.

I guess that shows that 6% thought Gary Johnson won the debate.

[BDKJMU]

Claiming to be a "scientific" poll, and purposely over polling Donks by 15 points isn't minutiae. It's fundamentally deceiving.

15 points is too high for Democrats. But, Democrats have always (at least for the last century) had a fairly substantial lead in party identification among registered voters. Any poll of registered voters accounts for this.

That's why Republicans tend to tout polls of "likely voters." But, trying to determine someone's likelihood to vote is pretty damn difficult. And, misses whole swaths of voters.... and leads to things like people predicting a Mitt Romney landslide.

So, yes. I agree with you about this one poll in particular being weighted a bit to heavily for Democrats. But, it also isn't the only poll on the debates. And, they all reflect the similar results of this poll.

Morning Consults: Hillary +23
YouGov: Hillary +27
PPP: Hillary +11



But, that's not really the point, either.

The ridiculous thing is that you and Trump tout simple click baity polls on websites. What is the party breakdown of those polls, baldy?

None of the polls right before the 12' election predicted a Romney landslide.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1171.html

[Baldy]

Hey baldy...

Fox News just released their debate poll. Goes along with every single other scientific poll.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09 ... sides.html

I look forward to your debunking.

Dubunk FAUX News? FOX LIES...amirite?

[Baldy]

My thought on this is that...

Nobody gives a fuck what you think. You are a one trick pony.

You are openly supporting the most corrupt, deceitful, flawed, dishonest, untrustworthy candidate to EVER run for president. At least dback was smart enough and had the decency to take a break and not shill for The Hildabeast on this forum. Trump is a clown, but my GOD anyone who would openly and publicly support that cunt as a viable or legitimate candidate for president needs to do the world a favor and eat a bullet.

[93henfan]

My thought on this is that...

Nobody gives a fuck what you think. You are a one trick pony.

You are openly supporting the most corrupt, deceitful, flawed, dishonest, untrustworthy candidate to EVER run for president. At least dback was smart enough and had the decency to take a break and not shill for The Hildabeast on this forum. Trump is a clown, but my GOD anyone who would openly and publicly support that cunt as a viable or legitimate candidate for president needs to do the world a favor and eat a bullet.

[Ivytalk]

My thought on this is that...

Nobody gives a **** what you think. You are a one trick pony.

You are openly supporting the most corrupt, deceitful, flawed, dishonest, untrustworthy candidate to EVER run for president. At least dback was smart enough and had the decency to take a break and not shill for The Hildabeast on this forum. Trump is a clown, but my GOD anyone who would openly and publicly support that cunt as a viable or legitimate candidate for president needs to do the world a favor and eat a bullet.

Baldy, that's your whole trouble: always beating around the bush!

[kalm]

15 points is too high for Democrats. But, Democrats have always (at least for the last century) had a fairly substantial lead in party identification among registered voters. Any poll of registered voters accounts for this.

That's why Republicans tend to tout polls of "likely voters." But, trying to determine someone's likelihood to vote is pretty damn difficult. And, misses whole swaths of voters.... and leads to things like people predicting a Mitt Romney landslide.

So, yes. I agree with you about this one poll in particular being weighted a bit to heavily for Democrats. But, it also isn't the only poll on the debates. And, they all reflect the similar results of this poll.

Morning Consults: Hillary +23
YouGov: Hillary +27
PPP: Hillary +11



But, that's not really the point, either.

The ridiculous thing is that you and Trump tout simple click baity polls on websites. What is the party breakdown of those polls, baldy?

None of the polls right before the 12' election predicted a Romney landslide.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1171.html

Except the internal Republican polls...

[HI54UNI]

Saw another example of what a pathological liar Trump is today. Someone was asking about him sniffing. He said he wasn't sniffing that it was just that he got a bad microphone.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/9513/trum ... frank-camp#

It's a small thing. But it shows just how deeply ingrained a liar he is. Why not just say, "I had a cold" or "I was a little under the weather?" Why the feeling that he has to friggin' lie about it and say it was the microphone when it's right on video like that?"

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaVPqLI-6yc[/youtube]

You people who don't think he's worse than Clinton when it comes to just flat out bald face lying in the face of obvious evidence are just in denial.

You want to take any of this back John?

The claim was met with some skepticism, but on Friday afternoon, the Commission on Presidential Debates seemed to confirm his claim, at least in part. The commission, which controls the debates, released a cryptic statement that reads in full:

Statement about first debate

Sep 30, 2016

Regarding the first debate, there were issues regarding Donald Trump's audio that affected the sound level in the debate hall.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ne/502484/

[Skjellyfetti]

15 points is too high for Democrats. But, Democrats have always (at least for the last century) had a fairly substantial lead in party identification among registered voters. Any poll of registered voters accounts for this.

That's why Republicans tend to tout polls of "likely voters." But, trying to determine someone's likelihood to vote is pretty damn difficult. And, misses whole swaths of voters.... and leads to things like people predicting a Mitt Romney landslide.

So, yes. I agree with you about this one poll in particular being weighted a bit to heavily for Democrats. But, it also isn't the only poll on the debates. And, they all reflect the similar results of this poll.

Morning Consults: Hillary +23
YouGov: Hillary +27
PPP: Hillary +11



But, that's not really the point, either.

The ridiculous thing is that you and Trump tout simple click baity polls on websites. What is the party breakdown of those polls, baldy?

None of the polls right before the 12' election predicted a Romney landslide.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1171.html

I was talking about the polls leading Conks to make predictions of a Romney landslide. That's why it says "people" instead of "polls" in the part you bolded.

Here they are making the same arguments as baldy:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFAJCzuSW3g[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBQvXZSnua4[/youtube]

[Baldy]

None of the polls right before the 12' election predicted a Romney landslide.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1171.html

I was talking about the polls leading Conks to make predictions of a Romney landslide. That's why it says "people" instead of "polls" in the part you bolded.

Here they are making the same arguments as baldy:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFAJCzuSW3g[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBQvXZSnua4[/youtube]

What argument did Baldy make?

[JohnStOnge]

Have you noticed that the "talking points" thing with Trump surrogates today is that Trump is a "genius?"

Right. He's a "genius," they say, because he understands the tax code so well. Of COURSE he did his taxes HIMSELF. Why, no WAY he just hired people to do that. And, of course, only a GENIUS would lose about a billion dollars in a year. Of COURSE.

Of all the crap I've heard Trump surrogates come up with this thing about him being a "genius" has GOT to be the most hilarious.

[SeattleGriz]

Have you noticed that the "talking points" thing with Trump surrogates today is that Trump is a "genius?"

Right. He's a "genius," they say, because he understands the tax code so well. Of COURSE he did his taxes HIMSELF. Why, no WAY he just hired people to do that. And, of course, only a GENIUS would lose about a billion dollars in a year. Of COURSE.

Of all the crap I've heard Trump surrogates come up with this thing about him being a "genius" has GOT to be the most hilarious.

Can't have it both ways John. Can't blame him for not paying taxes either if you are going to use the accountant defense.

[SDHornet]

My thought on this is that...

Nobody gives a fuck what you think. You are a one trick pony.

You are openly supporting the most corrupt, deceitful, flawed, dishonest, untrustworthy candidate to EVER run for president. At least dback was smart enough and had the decency to take a break and not shill for The Hildabeast on this forum. Trump is a clown, but my GOD anyone who would openly and publicly support that cunt as a viable or legitimate candidate for president needs to do the world a favor and eat a bullet.

He doesn't need to when he has JSO (a supposed conk) doing all the heavy lifting. No one on this board has played this election cycle any better than DBJ. Spanos' gets a close 2nd.

[Skjellyfetti]

Trump allegedly rented space to Iranian bank with terror ties

Donald Trump’s real estate empire rented New York office space to an Iranian bank with links to terror and the theocracy’s nuclear program, according to a published report Monday.

The Trump Organization purchased the General Motors Building on Fifth Avenue in 1998 and inherited Bank Melli as a tenant, according to documents reviewed by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and the Center for Public Integrity.

Bank Melli remained a Trump tenant until 2003 — four years after the US Treasury Department labeled it an organ of Tehran.

The US has accused Bank Melli of helping gain sensitive material for nukes in the country and sneaking money to Iran’s terror-linked Revolutionary Guard.

Trump has taken a hard-line stance against Iran, denouncing it as a “big enemy” of the United States.

“It’s a pretty hypocritical position to take,” said Richard Nephew, former principal deputy coordinator of sanctions for the State Department under Presidents Obama and George W. Bush. “It suggests that his principles are pretty flexible when it comes to him getting paid.”

Trump’s campaign declined comment on the Bank Melli issue.

http://nypost.com/2016/10/03/trump-alle ... rror-ties/



But... but... Clinton!!!

[YoUDeeMan]

Trump allegedly rented space to Iranian bank with terror ties

Donald Trump’s real estate empire rented New York office space to an Iranian bank with links to terror and the theocracy’s nuclear program, according to a published report Monday.

The Trump Organization purchased the General Motors Building on Fifth Avenue in 1998 and inherited Bank Melli as a tenant, according to documents reviewed by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and the Center for Public Integrity.

Bank Melli remained a Trump tenant until 2003 — four years after the US Treasury Department labeled it an organ of Tehran.

The US has accused Bank Melli of helping gain sensitive material for nukes in the country and sneaking money to Iran’s terror-linked Revolutionary Guard.

Trump has taken a hard-line stance against Iran, denouncing it as a “big enemy” of the United States.

“It’s a pretty hypocritical position to take,” said Richard Nephew, former principal deputy coordinator of sanctions for the State Department under Presidents Obama and George W. Bush. “It suggests that his principles are pretty flexible when it comes to him getting paid.”

Trump’s campaign declined comment on the Bank Melli issue.

http://nypost.com/2016/10/03/trump-alle ... rror-ties/



But... but... Clinton!!!

Seriously, Trump bought some property that was renting space to a bank. Leases, especially to banks, usually are not one year leases, so was Donald expected to review every single lease on every single property he owned to see if any of the businesses had some sort of legal issue?



If the State Department thought Bank Melli was a serious threat, they should have closed the place down. Is the State department now saying that private citizens are supposed to be at the very forefront of securing our nation's safety from terrorists?

This is unbelievable. Clinton, as Secretary of State, allows Putin's folks to run crazy with monopolies on serious stuff, and Obomba gives the Iranians hundreds of millions of dollars in cash, but Trump is supposed to break a lease and close down a bank on one of his many properties because it is an Iranian bank?



Clinton supporters...just have Hillary eat a varied diet, then throw her shit on the wall and her supporters will all find a flavor they like to lick and swallow.

[Skjellyfetti]

So predictable.

But... but... Clinton!!!

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Yes, Clinton is a piece of shit. Why is it so difficult to see that Trump is as well. It's really comical.

Cluck

[SDHornet]

Cluck

Nailed it.

[Skjellyfetti]