Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

[GannonFan]

You think Trump is humble enough to put his brand on the line for someone else?!


He's running for himself and his brand. Win or lose - he'll now have a rabid base of followers to gobble up whatever **** he decides to peddle next.

No way he has any interest in actually governing (he told Kasich that he could have full reign of foreign and domestic policy if he'd be his VP ). But, he hasn't been working this past year+ for anyone else. He's doing it for his brand.

It's odd but this is some, weird side show. Trump has eschewed conventional wisdom yet he won the nomination and is legitimately giving Clinton a run for her money (which just goes to show you how bad of a choice she is). He cares only for his brand, that much is true. However, what's his true motivation? It certainly isn't to "make America Great Again." You'd think his brand would suffer with all the **** he's spouting.



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He's an incredibly fascinating side show. It's remarkable how many people you hear or run into that have good things to say about Trump. The man is an absolute buffoon with no idea how to do the job if he actually was elected, but he's managed to tap into a wellspring of discontent that crosses all kinds of boundaries. It's not just poor whites who like him, if it was just that he'd never have gotten out of the primaries. There was a good interview on NPR last night of a journalist covering the Trump campaign and writing a book on it. He touched on some of the reasons why Trump has been so successful in spite of himself - he's very flattering to people he meets personally for instance. But he also brought up another reason why Trump has been viable - liberals have become so elitist and so damning of anything not liberal that there is no possibility of common ground to work towards. Conks have done the same thing, of course, but the condescending attitude from the left just galvanizes people against them. We're at least 16 years into this volatile dynamic and if this election has shown anything, we're not anywhere close to ending this standoff.

[Ibanez]

It's odd but this is some, weird side show. Trump has eschewed conventional wisdom yet he won the nomination and is legitimately giving Clinton a run for her money (which just goes to show you how bad of a choice she is). He cares only for his brand, that much is true. However, what's his true motivation? It certainly isn't to "make America Great Again." You'd think his brand would suffer with all the **** he's spouting.



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He's an incredibly fascinating side show. It's remarkable how many people you hear or run into that have good things to say about Trump. The man is an absolute buffoon with no idea how to do the job if he actually was elected, but he's managed to tap into a wellspring of discontent that crosses all kinds of boundaries. It's not just poor whites who like him, if it was just that he'd never have gotten out of the primaries. There was a good interview on NPR last night of a journalist covering the Trump campaign and writing a book on it. He touched on some of the reasons why Trump has been so successful in spite of himself - he's very flattering to people he meets personally for instance. But he also brought up another reason why Trump has been viable - liberals have become so elitist and so damning of anything not liberal that there is no possibility of common ground to work towards. Conks have done the same thing, of course, but the condescending attitude from the left just galvanizes people against them. We're at least 16 years into this volatile dynamic and if this election has shown anything, we're not anywhere close to ending this standoff.

It's more than just poor whites. I know plenty of educated whites that are voting for him, mostly b/c they don't like Clinton and will never vote 3rd party.


On a side note, there's a mobile home a few miles from my house with a sign out front " Trump & Clayton Bigsby 2016"

[YoUDeeMan]

You're the one that needs to wake up. A recession that ended in 1991 is not an adequate excuse for losing nearly a billion dollars in 1995. No way. No how. He is, once again, full of crap.

And this thing about him being a "genius." Like he did his own tax returns. Right.

You don't know what you are talking about. He didn't lose all of the money in 1995. He took the tax loss in 1995.
Why do you insist on twisting the story? There are plenty of truthful information to bash Trump on. Stop making things up in order to bash him.

JSO's caught lying again...no wonder he likes Hillary so much.

[YoUDeeMan]

No way he has any interest in actually governing (he told Kasich that he could have full reign of foreign and domestic policy if he'd be his VP ).

Just another reason to vote for Trump.

We don't want Hillary...and Trump will have someone else run things for him.

Win-win!

[Skjellyfetti]

We don't want Hillary...and Trump will have someone else run things for him.

Win-win!

So, what are your feelings on Pence?

I mainly know him as a religious wack-job.

He definitely seems to disagree with Trump (and you) on quite a bit of policy.

Sounds a lot like Clinton...

- For Trans Pacific Partnership
- voted for and still supports Iraq War and nation building
-

And, that's not even getting at his social conservatism....

[89Hen]

I mainly know him as a religious wack-job.

That's how you refer to anyone that has religious beliefs, so....

[Skjellyfetti]

Mandating funerals for fetuses (whether from abortion or miscarriage) is pretty extreme, no?

If a woman has a miscarriage at 8 weeks... she would be forced to gather the blood and tissue and take it to a funeral home to be cremated or buried.

~20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many women have miscarriages and don't even know it.

Surely a woman can chose to do that if she wishes... but, to be forced to by the government...

Yeah, just a bit extreme, imo.


https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2016/bil ... st-heading

[Chizzang]

I mainly know him as a religious wack-job.

That's how you refer to anyone that has religious beliefs, so....

Meh... Not so fast there Captain Apologist
Pence is a Religious Nut - without question
and
He has almost Zero knowledge of abortion statistics and facts regarding miscarriages

[89Hen]

That's how you refer to anyone that has religious beliefs, so....

Meh... Not so fast there Captain Apologist
Pence is a Religious Nut - without question
and
He has almost Zero knowledge of abortion statistics and facts regarding miscarriages

[Chizzang]

Meh... Not so fast there Captain Apologist
Pence is a Religious Nut - without question
and
He has almost Zero knowledge of abortion statistics and facts regarding miscarriages

Not sure what point Peter and the Wolf makes here...
Politicians that are uninformed about women's reproductive FACTS
should probably not make GIANT statements about them based on their ignorant faith gibberish

it's very Nancy Peolosi of them...
and we all know how much we hate Nancy - lets not act like her and hate her at the same time

[JohnStOnge]

The problem with Pence isn't his previous positions or his commitment to his faith. The problem with Pence is that he sacrificed his integrity by aligning with Trump. That robs him of all potential credibility.

You're a Fundamentalist Christian and you support friggin' Donald Trump? Are you KIDDING me?

Of course he's not the only one. There was a big problem in the Republican primaries with Fundamentalist Christians supporting the friggin' Son of Satan.

[Skjellyfetti]

lol.

clearly back to post-convention Donald... writhing around...

Donald Trump’s campaign announced Saturday evening that the candidate would soon deliver a nine-sentence critique of comments Hillary Clinton made months ago about many of the millennials supporting her primary rival, Bernie Sanders. It was an attempt to latch onto a new headline in hopes of finally escaping the controversies that had consumed his week.

It didn’t work.

It took Trump nearly 25 minutes to read the brief statement because he kept going off on one angry tangent after another — ignoring his teleprompters and accusing Clinton of not being “loyal” to her husband, imitating her buckling at a memorial service last month, suggesting that she is “crazy” and saying she should be in prison. He urged his mostly white crowd of supporters to go to polling places in “certain areas” on Election Day to “watch” the voters there. He also repeatedly complained about having a “bum mic” at the first presidential debate and wondered if he should have done another season of “The Apprentice.”

Halfway through the statement, Trump took a nearly 20-minute-long break to cover a range of topics, including these:

— He reflected on how his movement has “the smartest people… the sharpest people… the most amazing people.” He said the pundits — “most of them aren’t worth the ground they’re standing on, some of that ground could be fairly wealthy ground” — have never seen a phenomenon like this.

— He asked that the crowd if they are proud of President Obama, and they answered with a booming: “No!”

— He told the crowd to get a group of friends together on Election Day, vote and then go to “certain areas” and “watch” the voters there. “I hear too many bad stories, and we can’t lose an election because of you know what I’m talking about,” Trump said. “So, go and vote and then go check out areas because a lot of bad things happen, and we don’t want to lose for that reason.”

— He declared that he won Monday night’s debate even though he had a “bum mic.” He asked the crowd if they think that “maybe that was done on purpose.” They cheered.

— He recounted how the “dopes at CNN” and “phony pundits” refused to acknowledge how well he was doing during the primaries. “Then we started getting 52 percent, 58 percent, 66 percent, 78 percent, 82 percent,” Trump said, not making clear what those numbers mean. “And they just didn’t understand what was going on.”

— He said Clinton could not fight bad trade deals or Russian President Vladimir Putin because “she can’t make it 15 feet to her car,” alluding to video that showed Clinton buckling as she unexpectedly left a 9/11 memorial service early. Her doctor later said she had pneumonia. Trump then imitated Clinton by flailing his arms and jostling side to side. He walked unsteadily away from the podium as if he were about to fall over. “Folks, we need stamina,” Trump said. “We need energy.”

— He claimed that he has a “winning temperament” while Clinton has “bad temperament.” Trump continued: “She could be crazy. She could actually be crazy.”

“You’re unsuspecting,” Trump said. “Right now, you say to your wife: ‘Let’s go to a movie after Trump.’ But you won’t do that because you’ll be so high and so excited that no movie is going to satisfy you. Okay? No movie. You know why? Honestly? Because they don’t make movies like they used to — is that right?”

“You have 38 days to make every dream you ever dreamed for your country come true,” Trump said. “Do not let this opportunity slip away or be wasted. You will never ever have this chance again. Not going to happen again… You have one magnificent chance.”

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[AZGrizFan]

Good god he's an ass.

[YoUDeeMan]

We don't want Hillary...and Trump will have someone else run things for him.

Win-win!

So, what are your feelings on Pence?

I mainly know him as a religious wack-job.

He definitely seems to disagree with Trump (and you) on quite a bit of policy.

Sounds a lot like Clinton...

- For Trans Pacific Partnership
- voted for and still supports Iraq War and nation building
-

And, that's not even getting at his social conservatism....

Don't know Pence at all...but I think Allah will strike Pence down.

[JohnStOnge]

Good god he's an ass.

If you're talking about Trump that is true. But the more important point is that he is not sane. He's got serious issues. Yet we have around 40% of the electorate wanting to make this nut job President of the United States.

[Ivytalk]

Good god he's an ass.

If you're talking about Trump that is true. But the more important point is that he is not sane. He's got serious issues. Yet we have around 40% of the electorate wanting to make this nut job President of the United States.

Hey, John, don't you have a hurricane to prepare for?

[BDKJMU]

Military K9 Handler Explains Why He Won’t Vote for Hillary
https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2016/ ... r-hillary/

[Ibanez]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/m ... ton-229115

The Obama administration is moving to dismiss charges against an arms dealer it had accused of selling weapons that were destined for Libyan rebels.

Lawyers for the Justice Department on Monday filed a motion in federal court in Phoenix to drop the case against the arms dealer, an American named Marc Turi, whose lawyers also signed the motion.

The deal averts a trial that threatened to cast additional scrutiny on Hillary Clinton’s private emails as Secretary of State, and to expose reported Central Intelligence Agency attempts to arm rebels fighting Libyan leader Moammar Qadhafi.

[89Hen]

women's reproductive FACTS

I won't bother to read the rest of your post.

[Chizzang]

women's reproductive FACTS

I won't bother to read the rest of your post.

Let me give you an example:
1) What percentage of abortions are late term..?
2) What percentage of late term abortions are for birth defects or medical issues..?
3) What does a late term abortion cost..?



Anybody arguing that late term abortions are a form of "Birth Control"
Can only be completely ignorant or willfully retarded

[CAA Flagship]

I won't bother to read the rest of your post.

Let me give you an example:
1) What percentage of abortions are late term..?
2) What percentage of late term abortions are for birth defects or medical issues..?
3) What does a late term abortion cost..?



Anybody arguing that late term abortions are a form of "Birth Control"
Can only be completely ignorant or willfully retarded

4) Who is paying for #3?

[Chizzang]

Let me give you an example:
1) What percentage of abortions are late term..?
2) What percentage of late term abortions are for birth defects or medical issues..?
3) What does a late term abortion cost..?



Anybody arguing that late term abortions are a form of "Birth Control"
Can only be completely ignorant or willfully retarded

4) Who is paying for #3?

The same people that pay for lap band procedures...

[89Hen]

I won't bother to read the rest of your post.

Let me give you an example:
1) What percentage of abortions are late term..?

Ohhh, I get it. The pro-choice side is allowed to quickly dive into incest and rape but the pro-life can't bring up late term.

Look Cleetus, the FACT that you call it "women's reproductive" anything means you don't understand the very root of the issue. I don't give a rats ass what a woman does with her body. What I care about is the other body involved.

[Skjellyfetti]

What are your thoughts on Pence's mandatory fetal funerals (for miscarriages and abortions)?


Late term abortions / incest and rape, etc. has been debated ad nauseam.

This is a new one.

[89Hen]

What are your thoughts on Pence's mandatory fetal funerals (for miscarriages and abortions)?


Late term abortions / incest and rape, etc. has been debated ad nauseam.

This is a new one.

Cleetus brought up late term. I don't support mandatory funerals.