Who Do The Republicans Run Against Hillary in 2020?

[SDHornet]

What's it say about us that Trump, as bad as he is, is slightly worst than Clinton? I haven't seen any polls today or since Friday, but how far apart are they now? Trump is simply a host unto himself. The Dems are holding their noses and voting for Clinton. The good news is that the GOP has depth in Congress, Governorships and I think State Legislatures. They just can't get a viable, POTUS candidate.


Personally, I fault the RNC to a point for allowing 18 people to run. They should e controlled it and forced Trump to run as an Indy.


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The Iowa Republican Party's Straw Poll would have winnowed the field but the RNC and powers that be knew Jeb would do poorly so they got it cancelled. And that move bit them in the ass.

[Bronco]

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Might be a little premature in your prediction of Hillary winning

[SDHornet]

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Might be a little premature in your prediction of Hillary winning

What makes you think otherwise?

[Pwns]

I agree about Trump hanging himself, disagree that anyone would have gotten similar traction. Trump got his traction from the uneducated unwashed masses because they knew who he was. Enter any other "outsider" politician who employs that Trump type of rhetoric and vitriol and he gets laughed off the primary stage.

But...but....but....the donks have assured me the cat is out of the bag and the GOP base is about Jesus and keeping the darkies in their place and not conservatism!

[Ibanez]

What's it say about us that Trump, as bad as he is, is slightly worst than Clinton? I haven't seen any polls today or since Friday, but how far apart are they now? Trump is simply a host unto himself. The Dems are holding their noses and voting for Clinton. The good news is that the GOP has depth in Congress, Governorships and I think State Legislatures. They just can't get a viable, POTUS candidate.


Personally, I fault the RNC to a point for allowing 18 people to run. They should e controlled it and forced Trump to run as an Indy.


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The Iowa Republican Party's Straw Poll would have winnowed the field but the RNC and powers that be knew Jeb would do poorly so they got it cancelled. And that move bit them in the ass.

It's already be said but the RNC is organizationally challenged.


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[Wedgebuster]

Howard Stern, of course.

[Ibanez]

I agree about Trump hanging himself, disagree that anyone would have gotten similar traction. Trump got his traction from the uneducated unwashed masses because they knew who he was. Enter any other "outsider" politician who employs that Trump type of rhetoric and vitriol and he gets laughed off the primary stage.

But...but....but....the donks have assured me the cat is out of the bag and the GOP base is about Jesus and keeping the darkies in their place and not conservatism!

Heard a radio ad today: black actors talking how if Ben Carson can vote for Trump, then all blacks could vote for him. Pretty weak argument.


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[CID1990]

They tried the credible outsider last time with Romney. At least compared to Hillary he's an outsider


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I agree, but Romney was going up against an incumbent President. I think Romney was four years too late or four years too early. Granted, I don't think any GOP candidate was going to beat Obama in '08 (Bush years and the novelty of a minority President were just way too significant to overcome), but Romney, if he had waited to run until this election cycle, probably could've made real headway. We haven't had a 4 year incumbent beaten in an election that didn't involve more than two candidates (so throwing out the Perot and the Anderson elections) since Herbert Hoover, so beating Obama in '12 was just a really hard mountain to overcome. If it was Romney versus Clinton right now it could be a decisive Romney win. You have to pick your times to run and Romney picking to do it in '12 versus an incumbent was just bad timing.

The irony is that Romney couldn't beat McCain for the nomination, and he wouldn't have beaten Trump, either

At the end of the day, the inmates are now running the asylum in both parties and we have seen the last of good candidates, period


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[Skjellyfetti]

At the end of the day, the inmates are now running the asylum in both parties and we have seen the last of good candidates, period

Congrats, you figured out the "they" that confused you so much last page.

[Pwns]

I agree, but Romney was going up against an incumbent President. I think Romney was four years too late or four years too early. Granted, I don't think any GOP candidate was going to beat Obama in '08 (Bush years and the novelty of a minority President were just way too significant to overcome), but Romney, if he had waited to run until this election cycle, probably could've made real headway. We haven't had a 4 year incumbent beaten in an election that didn't involve more than two candidates (so throwing out the Perot and the Anderson elections) since Herbert Hoover, so beating Obama in '12 was just a really hard mountain to overcome. If it was Romney versus Clinton right now it could be a decisive Romney win. You have to pick your times to run and Romney picking to do it in '12 versus an incumbent was just bad timing.

The irony is that Romney couldn't beat McCain for the nomination, and he wouldn't have beaten Trump, either

At the end of the day, the inmates are now running the asylum in both parties and we have seen the last of good candidates, period


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Basically, we have the candidate of Lateesha and Pedro versus the candidate of Bubba and Jim Bob. Anyone ready to join me in blowing up the system of primaries our two parties have, yet?

[CID1990]

At the end of the day, the inmates are now running the asylum in both parties and we have seen the last of good candidates, period

Congrats, you figured out the "they" that confused you so much last page.

I said precisely the same thing here as I did in my previous post - the voters determine the nominees

I'm not sure what you're seeing here


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[Ivytalk]

A moderate libertarian like Rand Paul.

I think Paul shot his wad this time. He got some good props from the conservative press early in this primary season, but his candidacy fizzled nonetheless. I like Rand, but he has an uncanny ability to piss people off.

[JohnStOnge]

I think that even if Assange comes up with something that changes things dramatically and Trump somehow wins the Republican Party is screwed. The people who voted for Trump in the primaries are a millstone around its neck. Or if you prefer an albatross. All of the cliche criticisms of the Republican base have now been unequivocally proven to be true by virtue of the absurdity of nominating Donald Trump. They''ve got a critical mass of irrational, stupid and/or ignorant, hateful people in their midst. The've got a lunatic fringe core to their Party now and they're going to have a really hard time winning national general elections. A rational conservative who might have a chance to win the general election can't get past the critical mass of nut jobs in the Republican base. It's going to get nothing but worse as demographics continue to evolve.

[Skjellyfetti]

Congrats, you figured out the "they" that confused you so much last page.

I said precisely the same thing here as I did in my previous post - the voters determine the nominees

I'm not sure what you're seeing here

That, perhaps I was talking about the voters.

Republicans fucked themselves by nominating Trump.

[CID1990]

I said precisely the same thing here as I did in my previous post - the voters determine the nominees

I'm not sure what you're seeing here

That, perhaps I was talking about the voters.

Republicans **** themselves by nominating Trump.

So what you're suggesting is that "they", meaning the GOP, should rig things like the Democrats so that only establishment politicians can win the nomination?


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[Skjellyfetti]

That, perhaps I was talking about the voters.

Republicans **** themselves by nominating Trump.

So what you're suggesting is that "they", meaning the GOP, should rig things like the Democrats so that only establishment politicians can win the nomination?


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Godamnit. I guess I do have to spell it out for you.

The "they" is the same that you were referring to - Republican voters. They should probably elect a decent candidate that can actually win a general election.

Like I said. They aren't going to learn from it - and, I think they just double down on it in 2020. The most radical, fire-breathing Republican will win in 2020. There will probably be 2 or 3 candidates that will run their campaigns based on Trumps and try to outdo each other.

[bluehenbillk]

Hillary won't be the President in 2020....

[93henfan]

Hillary won't be the President in 2020....

That would be cool. Huh huh. Huh huh huh.

[93henfan]

Speaking of Hillary, there was a fly buzzing her during the debate, landing on her eyebrow and then her hand.

Flies are attracted to two things: shit and dead people.

I wonder if she had a little accident in her Depends?

[kalm]

Speaking of Hillary, there was a fly buzzing her during the debate, landing on her eyebrow and then her hand.

Flies are attracted to two things: shit and dead people.

I wonder if she had a little accident in her Depends?

Tell that to the two flies in my house. I smell nice and I'm only mostly dead.

[HI54UNI]

Rumors floating that a senior aide to Paul Ryan leaked the Trump tape. If true there's no way in hell he will make it through a presidential primary.

[Skjellyfetti]

[Bisonfanatical]

A moderate libertarian like Rand Paul.

Wouldn't that be nice .. the media buries anything on those Paul's to keep them from getting traction.



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[Bisonfanatical]

The problem for the GOP is they need an outsider like Trump but they need a credible outsider and Trump is/wasn't it. People like Rand Paul and others just get lost in the mix of people from and of Washington DC - basically they look to be products of the system just as badly as the Democratic candidates do. If this primary season showed anything it's that the GOP grassroots just despise GOP Washington as much as the despite Democrats.

For the GOP, they should be able to find someone in the large collection of governorships that they have. Problem is, however, that most of those governors, while great at the state and local level to win those elections, just don't play well nationally. We saw that with Scott Walker and even before him with Rick Perry. Mike Pence, depending on how he walks the tightrope on Trump's ticket, could be the governor who breaks through. He's very orthodox when it comes to GOP ideology and if he can show that he'll hang tough with Trump through this election then he could endear himself to the throng of GOP grassroots who despise the GOP establishment. Other than Pence, the other GOP governors who could be interesting would be Abbott from TX, Sandoval from Nevada, and Martinez from New Mexico.

Anybody that the media respects is a non person of interest to me.

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[Ibanez]

The GOP is in a lose-lose situation with Trump. What's the alternative?

1) The RNC convene and nominate somebody new under Rule 9 which states that the 168 party committee members can replace a nominee in the case of "death, declination, or otherwise." Early voting has already occurred. Nobody see's this happening.

I doubt there is anything you could do. Unless Trump resigns immediately after he's inaugurated (if elected) making Pence the POTUS. Therefore, any vote this Election Day is a vote for Pence.

Either way, we're screwed.