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mrklean wrote:
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You plagiarized my quote dammit... almost as much as Elvis plagiarized

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Chizzang wrote:
mrklean wrote:BTW, White kids from since the 1900's have been copying popular culture of African Americans.
1900's: Rag Time Music
1920"s: Jazz Music
1930's: Big Band Music
1940's: Modern Jazz Movement
1950's: Rock and Roll Music
1960's: R&B Music
1970's: Disco Music
1980's: Pop Music (White Guys singing R&B)
Chizzang wrote: White kids have been copying black kids since the way back times...
Before Elvis copied the black kids and delivered a product to whites that was a black thing
Before white musicians appropriated jazz
Even before we borrowed Blues from black men

We've been taking black ideas and black culture as far back as you can look

Disco / Rap / Jazz / Blues / you name it... we stole e'm all

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This is not a new "thing" just starting with this generation
You plagiarized my quote dammit... almost as much as Elvis plagiarized

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And guys like Clapton have been criticized for it

What I'm seeing now is more widely encompassing all cultural items considered to have originated with Africans - and the suggestion that whites shouldn't emulate those things

I wonder if what we'll see next is people being openly accosted or even assaulted over it


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And guys like Clapton have been criticized for it

What I'm seeing now is more widely encompassing all cultural items considered to have originated with Africans - and the suggestion that whites shouldn't emulate those things

I wonder if what we'll see next is people being openly accosted or even assaulted over it
Black Culture Matters

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andy7171 wrote:
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You ever wonder why Jesus was put in swaddling clothes and why the sheep were out in the fields during the winter months?
Who cares what the dates are? I celebrate the birth and death. Pick two days. Who gives a ****?


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You worship what you do not know my friend .. lol

You celebrate the birth and the death/resurrection of man-made "pagan" deities under the guise of something else.

Perhaps you should try that one with your wife or girlfriend on anniversaries or birth days?

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Ibanez wrote:
Bisonfanatical wrote: This is all true, however there also was no one named "jesus" 2000 years ago either, there were no J's in either the ancient Greek, Hebrew, or Latin.
The name above all names, the "only" one given for redemption was "changed" from Yeshua.
They changed and paganized the whole message, not good for salvation but sure makes the "kiddies" smile .. lol

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They also mistranslated words like 'young woman' into 'virgin.'


And to continue on what you've posted, show me 12 guys in the ME with names like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, Thomas, etc....
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andy7171 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :lol: :lol:

You ever wonder why Jesus was put in swaddling clothes and why the sheep were out in the fields during the winter months?
Who cares what the dates are? I celebrate the birth and death. Pick two days. Who gives a ****?


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I'm all in on the RAPTURE..!!!
Jesus is coming back and we're all in trouble

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I read that somewhere so I'm pretty sure it's true
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CID1990 wrote:So I'm not all that savvy when it comes to the latest trends in identity politics and PC stuff. I usually try to ignore it when I can-

But I saw a couple references or articles on it in the last couple weeks. One was I believe a literature critic or someone from either WaPo, WSG or NYT talking about how authors are being criticized for writing fiction with characters outside their own cultures (and of course those cultures would be non white)

Then I saw some discussion on dreadlocks and how white people shouldn't wear them since they are primarily an African thing (although there is some evidence that the Celts, Picts, and possibly Vikings also twisted their hair into "snakes")

What's the take on this? I'm primarily interested in if anyone here agrees with the folks that are suggesting that whites should stay in their own cultural lanes.

Personally, I think these people are racist as **** for suggesting this and there's some pretty easy ways to refute the logic, but I'm curious
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Chizzang wrote:I'm all in on the RAPTURE..!!!
Jesus is coming back and we're all in trouble

:nod:

I read that somewhere so I'm pretty sure it's true
If it were to ever come, I am not worried.
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andy7171 wrote: Who cares what the dates are? I celebrate the birth and death. Pick two days. Who gives a ****?


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But not the resurrection?
That's Easter, death/Resurrection. One weekend.
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andy7171 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:I'm all in on the RAPTURE..!!!
Jesus is coming back and we're all in trouble

:nod:

I read that somewhere so I'm pretty sure it's true
If it were to ever come, I am not worried.
That makes two of us...

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andy7171 wrote:
AshevilleApp wrote:
But not the resurrection?
That's Easter, death/Resurrection. One weekend.
Got it. Because the death wouldn't have meant a thing without a resurrection.
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AshevilleApp wrote:
andy7171 wrote: That's Easter, death/Resurrection. One weekend.
Got it. Because the death wouldn't have meant a thing without a resurrection.
Thanks for the reminder. :|
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andy7171 wrote:
AshevilleApp wrote:
But not the resurrection?
That's Easter, death/Resurrection. One weekend.
Of course this "easter" thing is another "pagan" festival that was instituted by a man-made council (nicea) which was convened by a Pagan, sun-god worshiping, Roman Emperor named CONSTANTINE.
It circumvented and replaced the true "eternal" date established by the Hebrew God Yehovah.
This Easter bologna fits right in with the Christmas bologna and flying reindeer bologna, it is a good thing America likes to eat things that are bad (like bologna) and believe things that are fiction.

But ... hey ... believe what you want ... not worried about the 2nd coming of the Messiah ... smh

We shall see ..
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Bisonfanatical wrote:
andy7171 wrote: That's Easter, death/Resurrection. One weekend.
Of course this "easter" thing is another "pagan" festival that was instituted by a man-made council (nicea) which was convened by a Pagan, sun-god worshiping, Roman Emperor named CONSTANTINE.
It circumvented and replaced the true "eternal" date established by the Hebrew God Yehovah.
This Easter bologna fits right in with the Christmas bologna and flying reindeer bologna, it is a good thing America likes to eat things that are bad (like bologna) and believe things that are fiction.

But ... hey ... believe what you want ... not worried about the 2nd coming of the Messiah ... smh

We shall see ..
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Hey you might want to go back and read the 5000 threads on this topic- we've covered it

See: Seattlegriz (or whatever his name is) and Clitsaurus


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CID1990 wrote:
Bisonfanatical wrote: Of course this "easter" thing is another "pagan" festival that was instituted by a man-made council (nicea) which was convened by a Pagan, sun-god worshiping, Roman Emperor named CONSTANTINE.
It circumvented and replaced the true "eternal" date established by the Hebrew God Yehovah.
This Easter bologna fits right in with the Christmas bologna and flying reindeer bologna, it is a good thing America likes to eat things that are bad (like bologna) and believe things that are fiction.

But ... hey ... believe what you want ... not worried about the 2nd coming of the Messiah ... smh

We shall see ..
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Hey you might want to go back and read the 5000 threads on this topic- we've covered it

See: Seattlegriz (or whatever his name is) and Clitsaurus


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Right?
Then I have to keep reading 2 more pages of posts about this topic, more make believe dribble?
Maybe you would do us both a favor and share the same insight to them about this?


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Bisonfanatical wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Hey you might want to go back and read the 5000 threads on this topic- we've covered it

See: Seattlegriz (or whatever his name is) and Clitsaurus


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Right?
Then I have to keep reading 2 more pages of posts about this topic, more make believe dribble?
Maybe you would do us both a favor and share the same insight to them about this?


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Bisonfanatical wrote:
andy7171 wrote: That's Easter, death/Resurrection. One weekend.
Of course this "easter" thing is another "pagan" festival that was instituted by a man-made council (nicea) which was convened by a Pagan, sun-god worshiping, Roman Emperor named CONSTANTINE.
It circumvented and replaced the true "eternal" date established by the Hebrew God Yehovah.
This Easter bologna fits right in with the Christmas bologna and flying reindeer bologna, it is a good thing America likes to eat things that are bad (like bologna) and believe things that are fiction.

But ... hey ... believe what you want ... not worried about the 2nd coming of the Messiah ... smh

We shall see ..
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andy7171 wrote:
Bisonfanatical wrote: Of course this "easter" thing is another "pagan" festival that was instituted by a man-made council (nicea) which was convened by a Pagan, sun-god worshiping, Roman Emperor named CONSTANTINE.
It circumvented and replaced the true "eternal" date established by the Hebrew God Yehovah.
This Easter bologna fits right in with the Christmas bologna and flying reindeer bologna, it is a good thing America likes to eat things that are bad (like bologna) and believe things that are fiction.

But ... hey ... believe what you want ... not worried about the 2nd coming of the Messiah ... smh

We shall see ..
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mrklean wrote: Did Edison take credit for his assistance's work? Just a question.
I'm sure he did but I'm also guessing his assistant was White. What I'm talking about is that, every Black history month, you see this list of stuff Blacks supposedly invented. Then when you look up the details it's not true. A Black guy invented the X Ray machine. A Black guy invented the air conditioner. A Black guy invented the elevator. A Black guy invented the traffic signal. And, of course, a Black guy invented the gas mask.

None of it is true. You have to come off as a heel and killjoy when you point it out but it is what it is. What you inevitably find is that a Black guy invented some particular version of whatever it is they're talking about. And the truth is that the world would be pretty much like it is with respect to technological advances like that if there had never been any Black people. Well, except that ultimately all of us trace our ancestry to Africa to start with so if there weren't ever any Black people to start with there wouldn't be any people.
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Bisonfanatical wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Hey you might want to go back and read the 5000 threads on this topic- we've covered it

See: Seattlegriz (or whatever his name is) and Clitsaurus


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Right?
Then I have to keep reading 2 more pages of posts about this topic, more make believe dribble?
Maybe you would do us both a favor and share the same insight to them about this?


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Ibanez wrote:
Bisonfanatical wrote: Right?
Then I have to keep reading 2 more pages of posts about this topic, more make believe dribble?
Maybe you would do us both a favor and share the same insight to them about this?


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JohnStOnge wrote:
mrklean wrote: Did Edison take credit for his assistance's work? Just a question.
I'm sure he did but I'm also guessing his assistant was White. What I'm talking about is that, every Black history month, you see this list of stuff Blacks supposedly invented. Then when you look up the details it's not true. A Black guy invented the X Ray machine. A Black guy invented the air conditioner. A Black guy invented the elevator. A Black guy invented the traffic signal. And, of course, a Black guy invented the gas mask.

None of it is true. You have to come off as a heel and killjoy when you point it out but it is what it is. What you inevitably find is that a Black guy invented some particular version of whatever it is they're talking about. And the truth is that the world would be pretty much like it is with respect to technological advances like that if there had never been any Black people. Well, except that ultimately all of us trace our ancestry to Africa to start with so if there weren't ever any Black people to start with there wouldn't be any people.
Lets say a black person in 1920 invented a new form of air conditioning, what was the likelihood of this person obtaining a Patton from the U.S. Government. I think this happened more than you think. I don't think people were will to give a black person credit for an invention they would make them wealthy. Just my opinion.
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mrklean wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
I'm sure he did but I'm also guessing his assistant was White. What I'm talking about is that, every Black history month, you see this list of stuff Blacks supposedly invented. Then when you look up the details it's not true. A Black guy invented the X Ray machine. A Black guy invented the air conditioner. A Black guy invented the elevator. A Black guy invented the traffic signal. And, of course, a Black guy invented the gas mask.

None of it is true. You have to come off as a heel and killjoy when you point it out but it is what it is. What you inevitably find is that a Black guy invented some particular version of whatever it is they're talking about. And the truth is that the world would be pretty much like it is with respect to technological advances like that if there had never been any Black people. Well, except that ultimately all of us trace our ancestry to Africa to start with so if there weren't ever any Black people to start with there wouldn't be any people.
Lets say a black person in 1920 invented a new form of air conditioning, what was the likelihood of this person obtaining a Patton from the U.S. Government. I think this happened more than you think. I don't think people were will to give a black person credit for an invention they would make them wealthy. Just my opinion.
I would rather have a patent. Patton is hard to get along with and I don't have the extra bed.

Black people were able to obtain patents in the 1900s for sure.

My grandfather owned a patent for a ridiculous airfoil (like a bird's wing) and one of his colleagues (a black guy) obtained a patent on a version of a Venturi valve about the same time. That was in the 1930s. His colleague was older and already had another patent for some kind of mechanical device from several years earlier around WWI.


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