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89Hen wrote:
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Same bullshit excuse used by the millions of disenfranchised Hildabeast voters who are going to plug their nose and vote for her anyways.

**** sheep. :tothehand:
And here we go again. You're so brave voting for a different idiot who has no shot at winning. :coffee:
Trump has no chance to win this.

Right now, I think votes for both Trump AND Johnson are futile. The reason for this is because Clinton is now so far ahead of Trump. He has no electoral college path to the White House.

A month or so ago, I was all in for Johnson not so much because I think he would be a better President (he would) but because when the race between Clinton and Trump was tight, Johnson could have denied both of them 270 just by winning 2-3 states... NM, NV and maybe Idaho or Wyoming were possible. If that happened, the election would go to Congress and we would almost certainly wind up with Paul Ryan. That would be much better than Clintorus or Trump.

Now, because Clinton is so far ahead of Trump, Johnson would have to pull down several states to deny her the 270 and that isn't happening.

The GOP needs to be throwing its resources exclusively behind the vulnerable Senate and House races. One penny on Trump is wasted.

Then hopefully someone viable can run against Hillary in 2020.




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CID1990 wrote:
89Hen wrote: And here we go again. You're so brave voting for a different idiot who has no shot at winning. :coffee:
Trump has no chance to win this.

Right now, I think votes for both Trump AND Johnson are futile. The reason for this is because Clinton is now so far ahead of Trump. He has no electoral college path to the White House.

A month or so ago, I was all in for Johnson not so much because I think he would be a better President (he would) but because when the race between Clinton and Trump was tight, Johnson could have denied both of them 270 just by winning 2-3 states... NM, NV and maybe Idaho or Wyoming were possible. If that happened, the election would go to Congress and we would almost certainly wind up with Paul Ryan. That would be much better than Clintorus or Trump.

Now, because Clinton is so far ahead of Trump, Johnson would have to pull down several states to deny her the 270 and that isn't happening.

The GOP needs to be throwing its resources exclusively behind the vulnerable Senate and House races. One penny on Trump is wasted.

Then hopefully someone viable can run against Hillary in 2020.




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If Trump gets beaten as badly as it appears he will after this excuse for a debate, conks will lose the Senate and barely keep the House. I think Ryan was hoping for your scenario given the way he was sucking liberal dick with his epiphany about poverty. Now the conks won't trust him either.
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89Hen wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Same bullshit excuse used by the millions of disenfranchised Hildabeast voters who are going to plug their nose and vote for her anyways.

**** sheep. :tothehand:
And here we go again. You're so brave voting for a different idiot who has no shot at winning. :coffee:
I'm voting for who I think is best to run this country, not for a crook or a buffoon, who I think have a chance of winning.
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This is precisely what I said months ago. Democrats will all vote Hillary in the end. Republicans who want to make a cute moral stand will actually stick to their stupidity and ensure Hillary the White House.
I'm apparently a registered Democrat. I won't vote for Hillary or The Donald. Johnson is the best candidate. So fack your cute little moral stands rhetoric.

Guess what folks, this country will survive either of these lousy candidates. Quit acting like the future of the Republic depends on 2016. I've never seen such drama. Carry on.
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Those Johnson memes make me want to vote for him even more. The system is a joke and needs some fresh air and genuine mockery. People are tired of the faux proper decorum and seriousness of it all. You can see that in the support for Trump.

Give me a goofball with a solid track record as both an entrepreneur AND a governor.

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Yeah...what a terrible platform... :coffee:
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kalm wrote:
AshevilleApp wrote:
I'm apparently a registered Democrat. I won't vote for Hillary or The Donald. Johnson is the best candidate. So fack your cute little moral stands rhetoric.

Guess what folks, this country will survive either of these lousy candidates. Quit acting like the future of the Republic depends on 2016. I've never seen such drama. Carry on.
:nod: :nod: :nod:

Those Johnson memes make me want to vote for him even more. The system is a joke and needs some fresh air and genuine mockery. People are tired of the faux proper decorum and seriousness of it all. You can see that in the support for Trump.

Give me a goofball with a solid track record as both an entrepreneur AND a governor.

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Yeah...what a terrible platform... :coffee:
Who thinks it is a terrible platform?
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CAA Flagship wrote:
kalm wrote:
:nod: :nod: :nod:

Those Johnson memes make me want to vote for him even more. The system is a joke and needs some fresh air and genuine mockery. People are tired of the faux proper decorum and seriousness of it all. You can see that in the support for Trump.

Give me a goofball with a solid track record as both an entrepreneur AND a governor.

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Yeah...what a terrible platform... :coffee:
Who thinks it is a terrible platform?
Good point...89hen?

Asheville already knocked the rest of you drama queens around about the impending doom of electing ________ so I didn't need to bring that part up again. :coffee:
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I love the Libertarian platform, but Johnson is a dingleberry and the party made no real effort to win. If the Libertarians could get a serious candidate and start working NOW to do all the things to mount a serious campaign in 2020, I'd be all over that shit.

For 2016, you have to do everything that can be done to keep the most corrupt and sociopathic nominee in history out of the White House by holding the nose and voting Trump. The consequences of Hillary's SCOTUS picks will haunt us the rest of our lives.
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kalm wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Who thinks it is a terrible platform?
Good point...89hen?
Shirley (sic), you must be kidding. A Gary Johnson ad showing his highlights... :rofl:
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89Hen wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Same bullshit excuse used by the millions of disenfranchised Hildabeast voters who are going to plug their nose and vote for her anyways.

Fucking sheep. :tothehand:
And here we go again. You're so brave voting for a different idiot who has no shot at winning. :coffee:
So, you're voting for Clinton? Which idiot are you voting for?
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Ibanez wrote:
89Hen wrote: And here we go again. You're so brave voting for a different idiot who has no shot at winning. :coffee:
So, you're voting for Clinton? Which idiot are you voting for?
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Ivytalk wrote:
Ibanez wrote: So, you're voting for Clinton? Which idiot are you voting for?
89 is a proud NOTA supporter.
Yes, but I realize that's not a great place to be. The Johnson voters are deluding themselves that they are somehow either making a difference or are smarter for voting for him. That's my bone of contention.
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89Hen wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
89 is a proud NOTA supporter.
Yes, but I realize that's not a great place to be. The Johnson voters are deluding themselves that they are somehow either making a difference or are smarter for voting for him. That's my bone of contention.
Hen, for the last time: WE ARE NOT DELUDING OURSELVES. We're doing two things: 1) sending a message to the establishment, and 2) being able to fucking sleep at night knowing I didn't vote for one of those two fucking fucks. Would you prefer I write in Mickey Mouse?
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89Hen wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
89 is a proud NOTA supporter.
Yes, but I realize that's not a great place to be. The Johnson voters are deluding themselves that they are somehow either making a difference or are smarter for voting for him. That's my bone of contention.
I'm still not understanding your dislike of making a conscience vote in a state where it's decidedly going one way or another. If I was still in NC or another battleground state, I'd understand your point more and would reluctantly choose a side. Here in SC, not so much.
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89Hen wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
89 is a proud NOTA supporter.
Yes, but I realize that's not a great place to be. The Johnson voters are deluding themselves that they are somehow either making a difference or are smarter for voting for him. That's my bone of contention.
How near sighted of you.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
89Hen wrote: Yes, but I realize that's not a great place to be. The Johnson voters are deluding themselves that they are somehow either making a difference or are smarter for voting for him. That's my bone of contention.
Hen, for the last time: WE ARE NOT DELUDING OURSELVES. We're doing two things: 1) sending a message to the establishment, and 2) being able to fucking sleep at night knowing I didn't vote for one of those two fucking fucks. Would you prefer I write in Mickey Mouse?
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ASUG8 wrote:
89Hen wrote: Yes, but I realize that's not a great place to be. The Johnson voters are deluding themselves that they are somehow either making a difference or are smarter for voting for him. That's my bone of contention.
I'm still not understanding your dislike of making a conscience vote in a state where it's decidedly going one way or another. If I was still in NC or another battleground state, I'd understand your point more and would reluctantly choose a side. Here in SC, not so much.
I thought my post and position is pretty clear, but I guess not. It's not the vote for Johnson that bothers me at all. Vote for whomever the hell you want. It's the pious stance that many of the Johnson voters are taking that they are somehow sending a message or making a difference or are somehow smarter for voting for Johnson. IMO they are not. Does Johnson have some good ideas? Sure. So does Trump and Hillary and even Cleets girl. But Johnson is a buffoon on the order of Trump, he just doesn't get as much press.

BTW, next line out of somebody's mouth will be "If half the people who said voting for Johnson...." It's round and round we go.
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89Hen wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
89 is a proud NOTA supporter.
Yes, but I realize that's not a great place to be. The Johnson voters are deluding themselves that they are somehow either making a difference or are smarter for voting for him. That's my bone of contention.
:flag: 15 yards for gross generalization, plus loss of down. This Johnson voter is voting for GJ because he's the only fiscally conservative, small-government type in the race, and his foreign policy stance is likewise closer to mine. I disagree with Johnson on Planned Parenthood issues and immigration. I'm not deluding myself about anything. Nor do I think I'm smarter than you because I'm voting for Johnson.

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Ivytalk wrote:
89Hen wrote: Yes, but I realize that's not a great place to be. The Johnson voters are deluding themselves that they are somehow either making a difference or are smarter for voting for him. That's my bone of contention.
:flag: 15 yards for gross generalization, plus loss of down. This Johnson voter is voting for GJ because he's the only fiscally conservative, small-government type in the race, and his foreign policy stance is likewise closer to mine. I disagree with Johnson on Planned Parenthood issues and immigration. I'm not deluding myself about anything. Nor do I think I'm smarter than you because I'm voting for Johnson.

Well, maybe a little! :mrgreen:
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89Hen wrote:
ASUG8 wrote:
I'm still not understanding your dislike of making a conscience vote in a state where it's decidedly going one way or another. If I was still in NC or another battleground state, I'd understand your point more and would reluctantly choose a side. Here in SC, not so much.
I thought my post and position is pretty clear, but I guess not. It's not the vote for Johnson that bothers me at all. Vote for whomever the hell you want. It's the pious stance that many of the Johnson voters are taking that they are somehow sending a message or making a difference or are somehow smarter for voting for Johnson. IMO they are not. Does Johnson have some good ideas? Sure. So does Trump and Hillary and even Cleets girl. But Johnson is a buffoon on the order of Trump, he just doesn't get as much press.

BTW, next line out of somebody's mouth will be "If half the people who said voting for Johnson...." It's round and round we go.
That's a fair assessment. So, which of the candidates get your vote? The buffoon? The corrupt SOS? The good doctor? Or the stoned Jester?


Or Giant Meteor?
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Ibanez wrote:
89Hen wrote: I thought my post and position is pretty clear, but I guess not. It's not the vote for Johnson that bothers me at all. Vote for whomever the hell you want. It's the pious stance that many of the Johnson voters are taking that they are somehow sending a message or making a difference or are somehow smarter for voting for Johnson. IMO they are not. Does Johnson have some good ideas? Sure. So does Trump and Hillary and even Cleets girl. But Johnson is a buffoon on the order of Trump, he just doesn't get as much press.

BTW, next line out of somebody's mouth will be "If half the people who said voting for Johnson...." It's round and round we go.
That's a fair assessment. So, which of the candidates get your vote? The buffoon? The corrupt SOS? The good doctor? Or the stoned Jester?


Or Giant Meteor?
:| I know you don't stalk me, but for goodness sake, it's been said a dozen times.... NONE OF THE ABOVE.
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89Hen wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
That's a fair assessment. So, which of the candidates get your vote? The buffoon? The corrupt SOS? The good doctor? Or the stoned Jester?


Or Giant Meteor?
:| I know you don't stalk me, but for goodness sake, it's been said a dozen times.... NONE OF THE ABOVE.
So burning a vote on a third party who won't win is worse than abstaining?
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ASUG8 wrote:
89Hen wrote: :| I know you don't stalk me, but for goodness sake, it's been said a dozen times.... NONE OF THE ABOVE.
So burning a vote on a third party who won't win is worse than abstaining?
:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. NO, not worse, but not better, smarter, more of a message, etc...
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89Hen wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
That's a fair assessment. So, which of the candidates get your vote? The buffoon? The corrupt SOS? The good doctor? Or the stoned Jester?


Or Giant Meteor?
:| I know you don't stalk me, but for goodness sake, it's been said a dozen times.... NONE OF THE ABOVE.
Like you said, I don't stalk you and I've asked you at least twice (though I don't know how often, if at all, you've responded.)

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89Hen wrote:
ASUG8 wrote:
So burning a vote on a third party who won't win is worse than abstaining?
:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. NO, not worse, but not better, smarter, more of a message, etc...
Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't read all your posts so forgive me if I'm not fully up to speed on your voting intentions. :coffee:

And you may be taking crazy pills. :kisswink:
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89Hen wrote:
ASUG8 wrote:
So burning a vote on a third party who won't win is worse than abstaining?
:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. NO, not worse, but not better, smarter, more of a message, etc...
It's an alternative...
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