Can we now call Øbamacare a failure?

[kalm]

Well obviously that's the argument here.

I think there are certain things that shouldn't be for-profit. Basic health insurance is one of them along with prisons, the military, and basic education.

What's your definition of "for-profit"? Just on record.

How would a proper "non profit health insurer" operate?

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We already have them.

[houndawg]

Let's face it, no one really cares about the faceless people they'll never meet which make up our society. This is a capitalist nation and our mindset is that we like to have things others can't, which apparently includes healthcare. People don't want to pay more in taxes to help fellow Americans...because "socialism."

So what do we get? Obamacare (despite plenty of industrial nations setting a standard we could work from).

We need to take a look in the mirror and be honest with ourselves; unless we actually care about each other, this whole venture into universal healthcare is a big joke.

I don't think you understand what the other countries actually have. Their physicians, hospitals, and treatments are decades behind ours. Capitalism has provided us with many great doctors and the best equipment. Capitalism has provided us with the best of just about everything. Sure, there is a country here and there that may have the best of something, but it is the result of putting all their eggs in one basket. But that's all they have. Nobody has the broad "best of" that we do.

Capitalism has provided us with a medical system that is the leading cause of bankruptcy in America.

conks.

[kalm]

I don't think you understand what the other countries actually have. Their physicians, hospitals, and treatments are decades behind ours. Capitalism has provided us with many great doctors and the best equipment. Capitalism has provided us with the best of just about everything. Sure, there is a country here and there that may have the best of something, but it is the result of putting all their eggs in one basket. But that's all they have. Nobody has the broad "best of" that we do.

Capitalism has provided us with a medical system that is the leading cause of bankruptcy in America.

conks.

Even WITH insurance.

[houndawg]

Capitalism has provided us with a medical system that is the leading cause of bankruptcy in America.

conks.

Even WITH insurance.

...while their parasite CEO's live like Romans on the backs working stiffs..

[Gil Dobie]

I don't think you understand what the other countries actually have. Their physicians, hospitals, and treatments are decades behind ours. Capitalism has provided us with many great doctors and the best equipment. Capitalism has provided us with the best of just about everything. Sure, there is a country here and there that may have the best of something, but it is the result of putting all their eggs in one basket. But that's all they have. Nobody has the broad "best of" that we do.

Capitalism has provided us with a medical system that is the leading cause of bankruptcy in America.

conks.

In 1981 it was 9% of bankruptcies, now it's 62%. Thanks Obama

[YoUDeeMan]

What's your definition of "for-profit"? Just on record.

How would a proper "non profit health insurer" operate?

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We already have them.

Yeah, but UD is a, "non-profit" university.

[GannonFan]

We already have them.

Yeah, but UD is a, "non-profit" university.

Yes, all those colleges out there that aren't DeVry Institute or the University of Phoenix are all noble actors and are all "non-profit" universities. How nice of them.

[kalm]

Yeah, but UD is a, "non-profit" university.

Yes, all those colleges out there that aren't DeVry Institute or the University of Phoenix are all noble actors and are all "non-profit" universities. How nice of them.

Some non-profits ate better than others. DSU was asking about non profit insurance. It already exists and some do a good of investing in efficiency and keeping costs down rather than payimg exorbitant salaries.

(United Health CEO Bill McGuire made a billion (with b) in 10 years)

[SDHornet]

Capitalism has provided us with a medical system that is the leading cause of bankruptcy in America.

conks.

In 1981 it was 9% of bankruptcies, now it's 62%. Thanks Obama

And now its going to be regionally monopolized...just like the cable/internet industry (paging Chizzy ).

Thanks Obama indeed.

[SDHornet]

Yes, all those colleges out there that aren't DeVry Institute or the University of Phoenix are all noble actors and are all "non-profit" universities. How nice of them.

Some non-profits ate better than others. DSU was asking about non profit insurance. It already exists and some do a good of investing in efficiency and keeping costs down rather than payimg exorbitant salaries.

(United Health CEO Bill McGuire made a billion (with b) in 10 years)

This guy especially thanks Obama...probably broke Obama him off some coin via campaign contributions.

[kalm]

In 1981 it was 9% of bankruptcies, now it's 62%. Thanks Obama

And now its going to be regionally monopolized...just like the cable/internet industry (paging Chizzy ).

Thanks Obama indeed.

Pretty sure it had risen way up before Obama ever took office.

[Chizzang]

Of course Bankruptcy laws were changed about 10 years ago (maybe longer now I can't remember)
But the Bankruptcy laws now penalize personal citizens (as they should) but not corporations

The law change made it more strict and tougher on regular people - which I'm fine with
But did nothing to be harder on corporations

It's just typical of the direction we're going

[kalm]

Of course Bankruptcy laws were changed about 10 years ago (maybe longer now I can't remember)
But the Bankruptcy laws now penalize personal citizens (as they should) but not corporations

The law change made it more strict and tougher on regular people - which I'm fine with
But did nothing to be harder on corporations

It's just typical of the direction we're going

Corporate debt is forgivable. It rewards risk taking and drives the economy. Trump and corporate America have proven this time and again.

It's like deficits...they don't matter unless a Democrat is in office.

[DSUrocks07]

Of course Bankruptcy laws were changed about 10 years ago (maybe longer now I can't remember)
But the Bankruptcy laws now penalize personal citizens (as they should) but not corporations

The law change made it more strict and tougher on regular people - which I'm fine with
But did nothing to be harder on corporations

It's just typical of the direction we're going

Corporate debt is forgivable. It rewards risk taking and drives the economy. Trump and corporate America have proven this time and again.

It's like deficits...they don't matter unless a Democrat is in office.

Just like wars don't matter, unless there's a Republican in office.

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[Baldy]

I don't think you understand what the other countries actually have. Their physicians, hospitals, and treatments are decades behind ours. Capitalism has provided us with many great doctors and the best equipment. Capitalism has provided us with the best of just about everything. Sure, there is a country here and there that may have the best of something, but it is the result of putting all their eggs in one basket. But that's all they have. Nobody has the broad "best of" that we do.

Capitalism has provided us with a medical system that is the leading cause of bankruptcy in America.

conks.

Yay Medicare and Medicaid.

[Baldy]

Corporate debt is forgivable. It rewards risk taking and drives the economy. Trump and corporate America have proven this time and again.

It's like deficits...they don't matter unless a Democrat is in office.

Just like wars don't matter, unless there's a Republican in office.

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BOOM!

ZING!

[kalm]

Just like wars don't matter, unless there's a Republican in office.

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BOOM!

ZING!

I forgot to come back and give him props for his.

[CID1990]

In terms of large government programs, Obamacare isn't a failure. It is working about as well as every other big government largesse spending program.

It will never be a failure because it will never be allowed to fail. It will be cobbled together with an incomprehensible web of fixes and loopholes which will require new fixes and loopholes every 2-4 years, brought to us by new Congresses elected by running either on how the ACA needs to be fixed, or how it cannot be killed. It will fuel state elections forever.


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[Chizzang]

In terms of large government programs, Obamacare isn't a failure. It is working about as well as every other big government largesse spending program.

It will never be a failure because it will never be allowed to fail. It will be cobbled together with an incomprehensible web of fixes and loopholes which will require new fixes and loopholes every 2-4 years, brought to us by new Congresses elected by running either on how the ACA needs to be fixed, or how it cannot be killed. It will fuel state elections forever.

This ^ a thousand times THIS..!!!



Like the warehouses full of unused TSA equipment just sitting there...
Ordered because they needed to spend 105% of their budget
otherwise their budget might get reduced

We can't have that...

[Ibanez]

In terms of large government programs, Obamacare isn't a failure. It is working about as well as every other big government largesse spending program.

It will never be a failure because it will never be allowed to fail. It will be cobbled together with an incomprehensible web of fixes and loopholes which will require new fixes and loopholes every 2-4 years, brought to us by new Congresses elected by running either on how the ACA needs to be fixed, or how it cannot be killed. It will fuel state elections forever.

This ^ a thousand times THIS..!!!



Like the warehouses full of unused TSA equipment just sitting there...
Ordered because they needed to spend 105% of their budget
otherwise their budget might get reduced

We can't have that...

I can't believe people thought that way.

After the sequester in 2013, the Program Office I worked at had 45% of its budget slashed and they learned that they could get everything done. Oh the humanity!!!



Besides, what you mention is nothing. I worked on a USMC project putting tactical command centers into battle. We had a yacht for radio testing.


You read that correctly.

[BDKJMU]

"Anthem Threatens Obamacare Retreat If Results Don’t Improve

Anthem Inc. said it may join other major U.S. health insurers in largely pulling out of Obamacare’s markets in 2018 if its financial results under the program don’t improve next year.

Anthem retreating from the Affordable Care Act would mean that almost all of the major American for-profit health insurers have substantially pulled back from the law. The other big insurers -- UnitedHealth Group Inc., Aetna Inc. and Humana Inc. -- have already scaled back, after posting massive losses........."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... ing-climbs

[Ivytalk]

"Anthem Threatens Obamacare Retreat If Results Don’t Improve

Anthem Inc. said it may join other major U.S. health insurers in largely pulling out of Obamacare’s markets in 2018 if its financial results under the program don’t improve next year.

Anthem retreating from the Affordable Care Act would mean that almost all of the major American for-profit health insurers have substantially pulled back from the law. The other big insurers -- UnitedHealth Group Inc., Aetna Inc. and Humana Inc. -- have already scaled back, after posting massive losses........."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... ing-climbs

Don't worry, Liz Warren will haul all the insurance company CEOs before Congress and stop them from "pulling out." Like her husband did years ago.

[kalm]

"Anthem Threatens Obamacare Retreat If Results Don’t Improve

Anthem Inc. said it may join other major U.S. health insurers in largely pulling out of Obamacare’s markets in 2018 if its financial results under the program don’t improve next year.

Anthem retreating from the Affordable Care Act would mean that almost all of the major American for-profit health insurers have substantially pulled back from the law. The other big insurers -- UnitedHealth Group Inc., Aetna Inc. and Humana Inc. -- have already scaled back, after posting massive losses........."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... ing-climbs

Don't worry, Liz Warren will haul all the insurance company CEOs before Congress and stop them from "pulling out." Like her husband did years ago.

Are we supposed to shed a tear now for big healthcare?

[SDHornet]

Don't worry, Liz Warren will haul all the insurance company CEOs before Congress and stop them from "pulling out." Like her husband did years ago.

Are we supposed to shed a tear now for big healthcare?

No we are suppose to shed a tear for loss of freedom via a loss of choice between healthcare providers....or did you miss the nuance of this fallout?

[BDKJMU]

Well, here comes the 1st domino:
"Knoxville the first place Obamacare could fail

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (WVLT/CNN)-- With the only insurer left on the Affordable Care Act exchange in the Knoxville area set to exit the market in 2018, the city could become the first place in the nation where Obamacare fails, according to a CNN Money report.

When Humana pulls out of the exchange next year, roughly 40,000 people will be without an option for a subsidized insurance policy unless another carrier steps in.

"I'm not optimistic that one of our existing insurers would like to expand their coverage area without some changes to the regulatory system, either by Congress or the administration," said Tennessee Insurance Commissioner Julie McPeak.

According to CNN, McPeak said the carriers want more flexibility to limit their exposure to sick, costly enrollees........"
http://www.local8now.com/content/news/K ... 41673.html

You've already had numerous areas of the country going from multiple carriers to one (ex in Tenn 3/4 of the counties have only 1 carrier). Now you're going to see numerous areas going from 1 to zero carriers...