...you'll be seeing an increase in police shootings.SDHornet wrote:Statistically speaking whites are more likely to get shot by the cops vs blacks sssoooo.....houndawg wrote:
Thats been established at least since the Southern Strategy. You'll be seeing an increase in hate crimes and police shootings.
Some truth here. Now if we can just keep him from incinerating the planet.Cluck U wrote:kalm wrote:
Bernie would have beat Trump. Stupid donks.
Best part about this is that both party's establishment are....
Trump beat the Republican establishment, and then beat the Democratic establishment.
He did Americans a favor that many don't recognize yet.
The biggest problem is stopping the flow. That MUST happen before any amnesty can happen. Every time there's a rumor down south about reforms or amnesty or just a change to the immigration laws, folks start hurrying across the border.93henfan wrote:I wouldn't, but most probably would. I mean, you have to do something with these millions of people, right? Physically deporting them and splitting them up from their anchor babies would be prohibitively expensive (likely impossible) and a PR nightmare. So that is out - mass deportation simply can't happen. So you have to figure out how to turn off the flow and deal with the ones who made it through the pipe. You give them a path to citizenship and I think you really shape the demographics for the GOP that have been trending the wrong way for the last couple of decades. Plus you turn them into taxpayers!Skjellyfetti wrote:I think a path to citizenship should be Yuge. I wouldn't have that much of a problem with his immigration stance anymore.
But, the people that just voted for him would lose their minds, no?
A larger increase than what we've seen under Obama?houndawg wrote:Thats been established at least since the Southern Strategy. You'll be seeing an increase in hate crimes and police shootings.SDHornet wrote: Yup. Mass deportations (for the non-violent criminals) isn't going to happen. IMO a wall isn't happening either (cartels run tunnels anyways so a wall is moot). A lot of the illegals are here to better their lives and doing jobs your tpyical American would never do. The beauty of this Trump thing is he is not beholden to the establishment talking points so he can (and should) be able to find common ground among the political group to get some common sense reforms in.
Also nothing would please the left more than to take a BDKKK approach to this issue and prove to everyone that the conks really are racist xenophobes.
It's not that complicated, here are some basic common sense starting points:CID1990 wrote:The biggest problem is stopping the flow. That MUST happen before any amnesty can happen. Every time there's a rumor down south about reforms or amnesty or just a change to the immigration laws, folks start hurrying across the border.93henfan wrote:
I wouldn't, but most probably would. I mean, you have to do something with these millions of people, right? Physically deporting them and splitting them up from their anchor babies would be prohibitively expensive (likely impossible) and a PR nightmare. So that is out - mass deportation simply can't happen. So you have to figure out how to turn off the flow and deal with the ones who made it through the pipe. You give them a path to citizenship and I think you really shape the demographics for the GOP that have been trending the wrong way for the last couple of decades. Plus you turn them into taxpayers!
Figuring out a way to then deal with the 11 million that are here can happen, and it will be very complicated. My biggest hope would be that this path involve a fine, and then the wait time for legal status or citizenship should under no circumstances be easier or shorter than the one that legal immigrants go through.
It would be interesting to see if Congress or the administration reach out to the Bureau of Consular Affairs at DOS, as well as USCIS at Dept of Homeland Security, since we can already outline the challenges to this path to citizenship and hopefully offer some policy guidance.
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SDH for Sec of Homeland SecuritySDHornet wrote:It's not that complicated, here are some basic common sense starting points:CID1990 wrote:
The biggest problem is stopping the flow. That MUST happen before any amnesty can happen. Every time there's a rumor down south about reforms or amnesty or just a change to the immigration laws, folks start hurrying across the border.
Figuring out a way to then deal with the 11 million that are here can happen, and it will be very complicated. My biggest hope would be that this path involve a fine, and then the wait time for legal status or citizenship should under no circumstances be easier or shorter than the one that legal immigrants go through.
It would be interesting to see if Congress or the administration reach out to the Bureau of Consular Affairs at DOS, as well as USCIS at Dept of Homeland Security, since we can already outline the challenges to this path to citizenship and hopefully offer some policy guidance.
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-Deport anyone with a violent criminal background (including those taking up precious space in the prisons).
-Deport anyone that cannot prove a work history of >4 years.
-Deport anchor babies if their parents are being deported (this keeps families together). They retain their citizenship (as guaranteed under the Constitution) and therefore can return to 'Merica when they turn 16/18; anchor babies can avoid deportation if they have a legal legal guardian that can take them in.
-Illegals that have no criminal history and can prove a work history of >4 years pay a fine/back taxes (this already happens during the citizenship process btw). These folks get into the pathway to citizenship without deportation.
-Develop/improve a guest worker program that is designed to supply cheap labor for agribusiness needs (this was done during WWII, it can be done again). This program will vet eligible participants and get them "in line" for citizenship.
-Fine and jail employers of illegals.
-Beef up the border to stop the hoards from coming over (drones, BP increases, National Guard patrols, whatever is needed). If a wall is deemed necessary then build it, but a good immigration enforcement/program greatly reduces the need for it.
Problem solved.
SDHornet wrote: -Deport anchor babies if their parents are being deported (this keeps families together). They retain their citizenship (as guaranteed under the Constitution) and therefore can return to 'Merica when they turn 16/18; anchor babies can avoid deportation if they have a legal legal guardian that can take them in.
93henfan wrote:I wouldn't, but most probably would. I mean, you have to do something with these millions of people, right? Physically deporting them and splitting them up from their anchor babies would be prohibitively expensive (likely impossible) and a PR nightmare. So that is out - mass deportation simply can't happen. So you have to figure out how to turn off the flow and deal with the ones who made it through the pipe. You give them a path to citizenship and I think you really shape the demographics for the GOP that have been trending the wrong way for the last couple of decades. Plus you turn them into taxpayers!Skjellyfetti wrote:I think a path to citizenship should be Yuge. I wouldn't have that much of a problem with his immigration stance anymore.
But, the people that just voted for him would lose their minds, no?
Yeah, but the correct term wouldn't be deported for the anchor babies. The illegal parents being deported are choosing whether or not to take the anchor babies with them or leave them behind. Bottom line is crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa, then having a kid, shouldn't mean the whole family gets to stay, which is basically what Obama's exec order did. Illegal immigrants with anchor babies can be deported .SDHornet wrote: -Deport anchor babies if their parents are being deported (this keeps families together). They retain their citizenship (as guaranteed under the Constitution) and therefore can return to 'Merica when they turn 16/18; anchor babies can avoid deportation if they have a legal legal guardian that can take them in.
Thats still unfair to those who have been waiting for years in line to legally immigrate and go through the citizenship process. Those here illegally should still should have leave and enter through the front door so to speak. You could do a modification of the 3/10 year bars.SDHornet wrote:It's not that complicated, here are some basic common sense starting points:CID1990 wrote:
The biggest problem is stopping the flow. That MUST happen before any amnesty can happen. Every time there's a rumor down south about reforms or amnesty or just a change to the immigration laws, folks start hurrying across the border.
Figuring out a way to then deal with the 11 million that are here can happen, and it will be very complicated. My biggest hope would be that this path involve a fine, and then the wait time for legal status or citizenship should under no circumstances be easier or shorter than the one that legal immigrants go through.
It would be interesting to see if Congress or the administration reach out to the Bureau of Consular Affairs at DOS, as well as USCIS at Dept of Homeland Security, since we can already outline the challenges to this path to citizenship and hopefully offer some policy guidance.
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-Deport anyone with a violent criminal background (including those taking up precious space in the prisons).
-Deport anyone that cannot prove a work history of >4 years.
-Deport anchor babies if their parents are being deported (this keeps families together). They retain their citizenship (as guaranteed under the Constitution) and therefore can return to 'Merica when they turn 16/18; anchor babies can avoid deportation if they have a legal legal guardian that can take them in.
-Illegals that have no criminal history and can prove a work history of >4 years pay a fine/back taxes (this already happens during the citizenship process btw). These folks get into the pathway to citizenship without deportation.
-Develop/improve a guest worker program that is designed to supply cheap labor for agribusiness needs (this was done during WWII, it can be done again). This program will vet eligible participants and get them "in line" for citizenship.
-Fine and jail employers of illegals.
-Beef up the border to stop the hoards from coming over (drones, BP increases, National Guard patrols, whatever is needed). If a wall is deemed necessary then build it, but a good immigration enforcement/program greatly reduces the need for it.
Problem solved.
Do this tomorrow and by the time Trump takes office the flow is already stopped.SDHornet wrote:It's not that complicated, here are some basic common sense starting points:CID1990 wrote:
The biggest problem is stopping the flow. That MUST happen before any amnesty can happen. Every time there's a rumor down south about reforms or amnesty or just a change to the immigration laws, folks start hurrying across the border.
Figuring out a way to then deal with the 11 million that are here can happen, and it will be very complicated. My biggest hope would be that this path involve a fine, and then the wait time for legal status or citizenship should under no circumstances be easier or shorter than the one that legal immigrants go through.
It would be interesting to see if Congress or the administration reach out to the Bureau of Consular Affairs at DOS, as well as USCIS at Dept of Homeland Security, since we can already outline the challenges to this path to citizenship and hopefully offer some policy guidance.
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-Deport anyone with a violent criminal background (including those taking up precious space in the prisons).
-Deport anyone that cannot prove a work history of >4 years.
-Deport anchor babies if their parents are being deported (this keeps families together). They retain their citizenship (as guaranteed under the Constitution) and therefore can return to 'Merica when they turn 16/18; anchor babies can avoid deportation if they have a legal legal guardian that can take them in.
-Illegals that have no criminal history and can prove a work history of >4 years pay a fine/back taxes (this already happens during the citizenship process btw). These folks get into the pathway to citizenship without deportation.
-Develop/improve a guest worker program that is designed to supply cheap labor for agribusiness needs (this was done during WWII, it can be done again). This program will vet eligible participants and get them "in line" for citizenship.
-Fine and jail employers of illegals.
-Beef up the border to stop the hoards from coming over (drones, BP increases, National Guard patrols, whatever is needed). If a wall is deemed necessary then build it, but a good immigration enforcement/program greatly reduces the need for it.
Problem solved.
That is the basic framework, but your third point is unworkable and will die in the congressional haggling process. But it would be good to put on the table with the intention of dropping it in return for other partsSDHornet wrote:It's not that complicated, here are some basic common sense starting points:CID1990 wrote:
The biggest problem is stopping the flow. That MUST happen before any amnesty can happen. Every time there's a rumor down south about reforms or amnesty or just a change to the immigration laws, folks start hurrying across the border.
Figuring out a way to then deal with the 11 million that are here can happen, and it will be very complicated. My biggest hope would be that this path involve a fine, and then the wait time for legal status or citizenship should under no circumstances be easier or shorter than the one that legal immigrants go through.
It would be interesting to see if Congress or the administration reach out to the Bureau of Consular Affairs at DOS, as well as USCIS at Dept of Homeland Security, since we can already outline the challenges to this path to citizenship and hopefully offer some policy guidance.
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-Deport anyone with a violent criminal background (including those taking up precious space in the prisons).
-Deport anyone that cannot prove a work history of >4 years.
-Deport anchor babies if their parents are being deported (this keeps families together). They retain their citizenship (as guaranteed under the Constitution) and therefore can return to 'Merica when they turn 16/18; anchor babies can avoid deportation if they have a legal legal guardian that can take them in.
-Illegals that have no criminal history and can prove a work history of >4 years pay a fine/back taxes (this already happens during the citizenship process btw). These folks get into the pathway to citizenship without deportation.
-Develop/improve a guest worker program that is designed to supply cheap labor for agribusiness needs (this was done during WWII, it can be done again). This program will vet eligible participants and get them "in line" for citizenship.
-Fine and jail employers of illegals.
-Beef up the border to stop the hoards from coming over (drones, BP increases, National Guard patrols, whatever is needed). If a wall is deemed necessary then build it, but a good immigration enforcement/program greatly reduces the need for it.
Problem solved.
Dig ditches and flip burgers....somebody has to do it. The real go getters will find a way to move up in the world....just like everyone else from a shitty background has (I know from experience that moving up out of a shithole is possible).Skjellyfetti wrote:SDHornet wrote: -Deport anchor babies if their parents are being deported (this keeps families together). They retain their citizenship (as guaranteed under the Constitution) and therefore can return to 'Merica when they turn 16/18; anchor babies can avoid deportation if they have a legal legal guardian that can take them in.
How do we benefit by sending citizens back to whatever shithole their parents came from... with absolutely no education... no job training.... no exposure to English?
You'll allow them to come back when they're 16/18. What do you expect them to do exactly?
It's called compromise. Nothing is going to be fair to everyone.BDKJMU wrote:Thats still unfair to those who have been waiting for years in line to legally immigrate and go through the citizenship process. Those here illegally should still should have leave and enter through the front door so to speak. You could do a modification of the 3/10 year bars.SDHornet wrote: It's not that complicated, here are some basic common sense starting points:
-Deport anyone with a violent criminal background (including those taking up precious space in the prisons).
-Deport anyone that cannot prove a work history of >4 years.
-Deport anchor babies if their parents are being deported (this keeps families together). They retain their citizenship (as guaranteed under the Constitution) and therefore can return to 'Merica when they turn 16/18; anchor babies can avoid deportation if they have a legal legal guardian that can take them in.
-Illegals that have no criminal history and can prove a work history of >4 years pay a fine/back taxes (this already happens during the citizenship process btw). These folks get into the pathway to citizenship without deportation.
-Develop/improve a guest worker program that is designed to supply cheap labor for agribusiness needs (this was done during WWII, it can be done again). This program will vet eligible participants and get them "in line" for citizenship.
-Fine and jail employers of illegals.
-Beef up the border to stop the hoards from coming over (drones, BP increases, National Guard patrols, whatever is needed). If a wall is deemed necessary then build it, but a good immigration enforcement/program greatly reduces the need for it.
Problem solved.
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Yup.houndawg wrote:Do this tomorrow and by the time Trump takes office the flow is already stopped.SDHornet wrote: It's not that complicated, here are some basic common sense starting points:
-Deport anyone with a violent criminal background (including those taking up precious space in the prisons).
-Deport anyone that cannot prove a work history of >4 years.
-Deport anchor babies if their parents are being deported (this keeps families together). They retain their citizenship (as guaranteed under the Constitution) and therefore can return to 'Merica when they turn 16/18; anchor babies can avoid deportation if they have a legal legal guardian that can take them in.
-Illegals that have no criminal history and can prove a work history of >4 years pay a fine/back taxes (this already happens during the citizenship process btw). These folks get into the pathway to citizenship without deportation.
-Develop/improve a guest worker program that is designed to supply cheap labor for agribusiness needs (this was done during WWII, it can be done again). This program will vet eligible participants and get them "in line" for citizenship.
-Fine and jail employers of illegals.
-Beef up the border to stop the hoards from coming over (drones, BP increases, National Guard patrols, whatever is needed). If a wall is deemed necessary then build it, but a good immigration enforcement/program greatly reduces the need for it.
Problem solved.
Another option would be to let those kids become a ward of the state if the parents are dead set on them remaining in the country. But I agree, it may not be an issue worth the flak, and if the border truly is closed and well guarded then the anchor baby issue goes away over time.CID1990 wrote:That is the basic framework, but your third point is unworkable and will die in the congressional haggling process. But it would be good to put on the table with the intention of dropping it in return for other partsSDHornet wrote: It's not that complicated, here are some basic common sense starting points:
-Deport anyone with a violent criminal background (including those taking up precious space in the prisons).
-Deport anyone that cannot prove a work history of >4 years.
-Deport anchor babies if their parents are being deported (this keeps families together). They retain their citizenship (as guaranteed under the Constitution) and therefore can return to 'Merica when they turn 16/18; anchor babies can avoid deportation if they have a legal legal guardian that can take them in.
-Illegals that have no criminal history and can prove a work history of >4 years pay a fine/back taxes (this already happens during the citizenship process btw). These folks get into the pathway to citizenship without deportation.
-Develop/improve a guest worker program that is designed to supply cheap labor for agribusiness needs (this was done during WWII, it can be done again). This program will vet eligible participants and get them "in line" for citizenship.
-Fine and jail employers of illegals.
-Beef up the border to stop the hoards from coming over (drones, BP increases, National Guard patrols, whatever is needed). If a wall is deemed necessary then build it, but a good immigration enforcement/program greatly reduces the need for it.
Problem solved.
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Good way to keep wages down, which is really what the purpose of illegals is.Gil Dobie wrote:I would support amnesty for illegals, if they are properly vetted and given a path to citizenship. I wonder if a Trump election, has made America perceived as less desirable for immigrants.
Come here legally? Just a guessSkjellyfetti wrote:SDHornet wrote: -Deport anchor babies if their parents are being deported (this keeps families together). They retain their citizenship (as guaranteed under the Constitution) and therefore can return to 'Merica when they turn 16/18; anchor babies can avoid deportation if they have a legal legal guardian that can take them in.
How do we benefit by sending citizens back to whatever shithole their parents came from... with absolutely no education... no job training.... no exposure to English?
You'll allow them to come back when they're 16/18. What do you expect them to do exactly?
SDHornet wrote:Another option would be to let those kids become a ward of the state if the parents are dead set on them remaining in the country. But I agree, it may not be an issue worth the flak, and if the border truly is closed and well guarded then the anchor baby issue goes away over time.CID1990 wrote:
That is the basic framework, but your third point is unworkable and will die in the congressional haggling process. But it would be good to put on the table with the intention of dropping it in return for other parts
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...tax and spend..Citizens too...Wait until the vigilantes get their zeal properly ramped up.Gil Dobie wrote:I would support amnesty for illegals, if they are properly vetted and given a path to citizenship. I wonder if a Trump election, has made America perceived as less desirable for immigrants.
Anything is possible, when you lefties get done crying about the election there isnt a doubt in my mind you will attain guns illegally and try to clip some people.houndawg wrote:Citizens too...Wait until the vigilantes get their zeal properly ramped up.Gil Dobie wrote:I would support amnesty for illegals, if they are properly vetted and given a path to citizenship. I wonder if a Trump election, has made America perceived as less desirable for immigrants.
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Anything is possible, when you lefties get done crying about the election there isnt a doubt in my mind you will attain guns illegally and try to clip some people.houndawg wrote:
Citizens too...Wait until the vigilantes get their zeal properly ramped up.
Hate is no way to live life son.
God Bless
Do they need an address? I dont work weekends.........please send them, send all of themhoundawg wrote:ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: Anything is possible, when you lefties get done crying about the election there isnt a doubt in my mind you will attain guns illegally and try to clip some people.
Hate is no way to live life son.
God Bless
My growing arsenal is 100% legal.
Comrades will be kneecapping punks like you very soon, son.
Are you living on some anarcho-syndicalist commune?houndawg wrote:ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: Anything is possible, when you lefties get done crying about the election there isnt a doubt in my mind you will attain guns illegally and try to clip some people.
Hate is no way to live life son.
God Bless
My growing arsenal is 100% legal.
Comrades will be kneecapping punks like you very soon, son.
Sure put it out there, they'll get around to you after the tough guys are done...ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Do they need an address? I dont work weekends.........please send them, send all of themhoundawg wrote:
My growing arsenal is 100% legal.
Comrades will be kneecapping punks like you very soon, son.
