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[CID1990]

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Worst president ever said what?

Obama to Trump: Don’t overuse “executive actions” (What a hypocrite
Hot Air.com ^ | December 19, 2016 | ED MORRISEY



Do as I say, not as I do. Barack Obama sat down with NPR’s Steve Inskeep for one of his final in-depth interviews as president, and decided to offer his successor a little advice. Try working with Congress, and avoid unilateral executive action, says the man who should know:

“Keep in mind, though, that my strong preference has always been to legislate when I can get legislation done,” Obama said from the Cabinet Room in the White House. “In my first two years, I wasn’t relying on executive powers, because I had big majorities in the Congress and we were able to get bills done, get bills passed. And even after we lost the majorities in Congress, I bent over backwards consistently to try to find compromise and a legislative solution to some of the big problems that we’ve got — a classic example being immigration reform, where I held off for years in taking some of the executive actions that I ultimately took in pursuit of a bipartisan solution — one that, by the way, did pass through the Senate on a bipartisan basis with our help. …

“So my suggestion to the president-elect is, you know, going through the legislative process is always better, in part because it’s harder to undo,” he said.

There was a time when bullshit this deep would earn a spanking at the polls - but this guy is going to be the old wise man on the mountaintop for years to come for the Dems... and he doesn't have to run again, so why the hell not? Just make shit up. Only his base is listening.

[kalm]

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Worst president ever said what?

There was a time when bullshit this deep would earn a spanking at the polls - but this guy is going to be the old wise man on the mountaintop for years to come for the Dems... and he doesn't have to run again, so why the hell not? Just make shit up. Only his base is listening.

Eh...kind of like the Reagan legacy....

[Skjellyfetti]

Well, Obama has used fewer executive actions than any two term president since Ulysses S. Grant.

Obama is at 260... Reagain had 381... for example.

Not sure how Obama got a reputation for executive actions... but, ok.

Y'all think Trump will use less?

[kalm]

Well, Obama has used fewer executive actions than any two term president since Ulysses S. Grant.

Obama is at 260... Reagain had 381... for example.

Not sure how Obama got a reputation for executive actions... but, ok.

Y'all think Trump will use less?

JFC...is that true?

[mrklean]

Obama's approval rating is 57%

Trump's is 43%

And a democratic socialist would have mopped the floor with Trump if the DNC hadn't rigged the party.

And the DNC was too STUPID and CORRUPT to realize that. Donks..

Coming from a party who elected a Jack Azz Lying Sack of SHIT, all because they wanted to get back at Obama

[kalm]

And the DNC was too STUPID and CORRUPT to realize that. Donks..

Coming from a party who elected a Jack Azz Lying Sack of SHIT, all because they wanted to get back at Obama

The Republican Party did not elect Trump...the American people did...thanks to the Obama and Clinton dominated Democratic Party...

Sorry Klean....

[Grizalltheway]

Well, Obama has used fewer executive actions than any two term president since Ulysses S. Grant.

Obama is at 260... Reagain had 381... for example.

Not sure how Obama got a reputation for executive actions... but, ok.

Y'all think Trump will use less?

JFC...is that true?

They obsessed over the immigration ones for so long it only seems like he had more.

[Baldy]

Well, Obama has used fewer executive actions than any two term president since Ulysses S. Grant.

Obama is at 260... Reagain had 381... for example.

Not sure how Obama got a reputation for executive actions... but, ok.

Y'all think Trump will use less?

JFC...is that true?

As usual, Obama is lying to you even though he isn't technically lying. And again, as usual, felchy is lying through his hillbilly tooth.

Presidents have much more executive power than just Executive Orders, and Obama has used it more than any other president in history.

Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

WASHINGTON — President Obama has issued a form of executive action known as the presidential memorandum more often than any other president in history — using it to take unilateral action even as he has signed fewer executive orders.

When these two forms of directives are taken together, Obama is on track to take more high-level executive actions than any president since Harry Truman battled the "Do Nothing Congress" almost seven decades ago, according to a USA TODAY review of presidential documents.

Obama has issued executive orders to give federal employees the day after Christmas off, to impose economic sanctions and to determine how national secrets are classified. He's used presidential memoranda to make policy on gun control, immigration and labor regulations. Tuesday, he used a memorandum to declare Bristol Bay, Alaska, off-limits to oil and gas exploration.

Like executive orders, presidential memoranda don't require action by Congress. They have the same force of law as executive orders and often have consequences just as far-reaching. And some of the most significant actions of the Obama presidency have come not by executive order but by presidential memoranda.

Obama has made prolific use of memoranda despite his own claims that he's used his executive power less than other presidents. "The truth is, even with all the actions I've taken this year, I'm issuing executive orders at the lowest rate in more than 100 years," Obama said in a speech in Austin last July. "So it's not clear how it is that Republicans didn't seem to mind when President Bush took more executive actions than I did."

Obama has issued 195 executive orders as of Tuesday. Published alongside them in the Federal Register are 198 presidential memoranda — all of which carry the same legal force as executive orders.

He's already signed 33% more presidential memoranda in less than six years than Bush did in eight. He's also issued 45% more than the last Democratic president, Bill Clinton, who assertively used memoranda to signal what kinds of regulations he wanted federal agencies to adopt.

Obama is not the first president to use memoranda to accomplish policy aims. But at this point in his presidency, he's the first to use them more often than executive orders.

[kalm]

JFC...is that true?

As usual, Obama is lying to you even though he isn't technically lying. And again, as usual, felchy is lying through his hillbilly tooth.

Presidents have much more executive power than just Executive Orders, and Obama has used it more than any other president in history.

Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

WASHINGTON — President Obama has issued a form of executive action known as the presidential memorandum more often than any other president in history — using it to take unilateral action even as he has signed fewer executive orders.

When these two forms of directives are taken together, Obama is on track to take more high-level executive actions than any president since Harry Truman battled the "Do Nothing Congress" almost seven decades ago, according to a USA TODAY review of presidential documents.

Obama has issued executive orders to give federal employees the day after Christmas off, to impose economic sanctions and to determine how national secrets are classified. He's used presidential memoranda to make policy on gun control, immigration and labor regulations. Tuesday, he used a memorandum to declare Bristol Bay, Alaska, off-limits to oil and gas exploration.

Like executive orders, presidential memoranda don't require action by Congress. They have the same force of law as executive orders and often have consequences just as far-reaching. And some of the most significant actions of the Obama presidency have come not by executive order but by presidential memoranda.

Obama has made prolific use of memoranda despite his own claims that he's used his executive power less than other presidents. "The truth is, even with all the actions I've taken this year, I'm issuing executive orders at the lowest rate in more than 100 years," Obama said in a speech in Austin last July. "So it's not clear how it is that Republicans didn't seem to mind when President Bush took more executive actions than I did."

Obama has issued 195 executive orders as of Tuesday. Published alongside them in the Federal Register are 198 presidential memoranda — all of which carry the same legal force as executive orders.

He's already signed 33% more presidential memoranda in less than six years than Bush did in eight. He's also issued 45% more than the last Democratic president, Bill Clinton, who assertively used memoranda to signal what kinds of regulations he wanted federal agencies to adopt.

Obama is not the first president to use memoranda to accomplish policy aims. But at this point in his presidency, he's the first to use them more often than executive orders.

Actually, it appears USA Today's article is a bit misleading as well...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... 0a9fd281fb

Both sides massage the numbers to their advantage. Shocker!

[CID1990]

There was a time when bullshit this deep would earn a spanking at the polls - but this guy is going to be the old wise man on the mountaintop for years to come for the Dems... and he doesn't have to run again, so why the hell not? Just make **** up. Only his base is listening.

Eh...kind of like the Reagan legacy....

Precisely

Except we didn't have to listen to Reagan himself... we listened to those who revered him. He wasn't the shaman on the mountain.

Obamas got another 40-50 years of life in him and it's going to be a real treat every time he pops up on 60 Minutes to pontificate to the hand wringers every time a conservative tries to bring on the apocalypse.

[CID1990]

Well, Obama has used fewer executive actions than any two term president since Ulysses S. Grant.

Obama is at 260... Reagain had 381... for example.

Not sure how Obama got a reputation for executive actions... but, ok.

Y'all think Trump will use less?

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of how many executive orders were with the consent of Congress and how many weren't. For example, one of Reagan's more well known orders was the one that closed a loophole in the immigration bill that had already been passed by Congress. His order was done with the consent of Congress to avoid having to go back through the legislative process.

Those kinds of orders are perfectly acceptable.

Using executive orders to circumvent Congress are not the same thing but of course an executive order is an executive order, right?

Maybe Obama will take his pen and his phone with him when he leaves, because by his own words... the executive order is specifically for when Congress won't act. Sez the Constitutional Perfesser.

[Baldy]

As usual, Obama is lying to you even though he isn't technically lying. And again, as usual, felchy is lying through his hillbilly tooth.

Presidents have much more executive power than just Executive Orders, and Obama has used it more than any other president in history.

Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

Actually, it appears USA Today's article is a bit misleading as well...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... 0a9fd281fb

Both sides massage the numbers to their advantage. Shocker!

Good article, but it doesn't refute the USA Today article. It just tries to put a different spin on it.

[AZGrizFan]

Well, Obama has used fewer executive actions than any two term president since Ulysses S. Grant.

Obama is at 260... Reagain had 381... for example.

Not sure how Obama got a reputation for executive actions... but, ok.

Y'all think Trump will use less?

My issue isn't how many. It's what FOR.

[AZGrizFan]

And the DNC was too STUPID and CORRUPT to realize that. Donks..

Coming from a party who elected a Jack Azz Lying Sack of SHIT, all because they wanted to get back at Obama

I KNOW, right? Thank GOD that jack ass lying sack of shit was just the democratic nominee and didn't actually get elected PRESIDENT. That bitch would have screwed us all...

[Skjellyfetti]

Well, Obama has used fewer executive actions than any two term president since Ulysses S. Grant.

Obama is at 260... Reagain had 381... for example.

Not sure how Obama got a reputation for executive actions... but, ok.

Y'all think Trump will use less?

JFC...is that true?

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

[GannonFan]

Eh...kind of like the Reagan legacy....

Precisely

Except we didn't have to listen to Reagan himself... we listened to those who revered him. He wasn't the shaman on the mountain.

Obamas got another 40-50 years of life in him and it's going to be a real treat every time he pops up on 60 Minutes to pontificate to the hand wringers every time a conservative tries to bring on the apocalypse.

Obama's already gone done a little more in my book (for what it's worth, which is really rather little) when he declared a Trump election would end the Republic that we've lived in for more than 200 years now. You still see FB posts from the permanently left leaning that still decry that the Republic is over. Strangely, because of the republican way Trump was elected. I understand campaigning before an election leads to some questionable soundbites, but predicting the end of the Republic went a little beyond the regular hyperbole.

[Gil Dobie]

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[Ibanez]

Precisely

Except we didn't have to listen to Reagan himself... we listened to those who revered him. He wasn't the shaman on the mountain.

Obamas got another 40-50 years of life in him and it's going to be a real treat every time he pops up on 60 Minutes to pontificate to the hand wringers every time a conservative tries to bring on the apocalypse.

Obama's already gone done a little more in my book (for what it's worth, which is really rather little) when he declared a Trump election would end the Republic that we've lived in for more than 200 years now. You still see FB posts from the permanently left leaning that still decry that the Republic is over. Strangely, because of the republican way Trump was elected. I understand campaigning before an election leads to some questionable soundbites, but predicting the end of the Republic went a little beyond the regular hyperbole.

Wasn't the Republic supposed to fall with Obama's first election??

[GannonFan]

Obama's already gone done a little more in my book (for what it's worth, which is really rather little) when he declared a Trump election would end the Republic that we've lived in for more than 200 years now. You still see FB posts from the permanently left leaning that still decry that the Republic is over. Strangely, because of the republican way Trump was elected. I understand campaigning before an election leads to some questionable soundbites, but predicting the end of the Republic went a little beyond the regular hyperbole.

Wasn't the Republic supposed to fall with Obama's first election??

Well, not according to Obama of course.

Maybe someone from the GOP, near the level Obama was/is with the Democrats, said the Republic would end if Obama was elected. I'm not sure they did, though, that's a pretty damning thing to say.

[Vidav]

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Worst president ever said what?

Obama to Trump: Don’t overuse “executive actions” (What a hypocrite
Hot Air.com ^ | December 19, 2016 | ED MORRISEY



Do as I say, not as I do. Barack Obama sat down with NPR’s Steve Inskeep for one of his final in-depth interviews as president, and decided to offer his successor a little advice. Try working with Congress, and avoid unilateral executive action, says the man who should know:

“Keep in mind, though, that my strong preference has always been to legislate when I can get legislation done,” Obama said from the Cabinet Room in the White House. “In my first two years, I wasn’t relying on executive powers, because I had big majorities in the Congress and we were able to get bills done, get bills passed. And even after we lost the majorities in Congress, I bent over backwards consistently to try to find compromise and a legislative solution to some of the big problems that we’ve got — a classic example being immigration reform, where I held off for years in taking some of the executive actions that I ultimately took in pursuit of a bipartisan solution — one that, by the way, did pass through the Senate on a bipartisan basis with our help. …

“So my suggestion to the president-elect is, you know, going through the legislative process is always better, in part because it’s harder to undo,” he said.

You really are an idiot.

[Baldy]

Obama's already gone done a little more in my book (for what it's worth, which is really rather little) when he declared a Trump election would end the Republic that we've lived in for more than 200 years now. You still see FB posts from the permanently left leaning that still decry that the Republic is over. Strangely, because of the republican way Trump was elected. I understand campaigning before an election leads to some questionable soundbites, but predicting the end of the Republic went a little beyond the regular hyperbole.

Wasn't the Republic supposed to fall with Obama's first election??

No, but it took a few black eyes and bloody noses.

[Gil Dobie]

Obama's approval rating is 57%

Trump's is 43%

And a democratic socialist would have mopped the floor with Trump if the DNC hadn't rigged the party.

If more people voted for Hillary, then the 43% makes sense.

[Gil Dobie]

Do you think that if we gave Hillary a participation trophy, her voters would quiet down?

Take a page from Sam Houston State a few years ago.