Indeed. We're well past the point where we expect politicians to be anything other than politicians.Ivytalk wrote:We have to pass it before we find out what's in it. What Pelosi said.
What an enticing intellectual position you've selected as your "default"GannonFan wrote:Indeed. We're well past the point where we expect politicians to be anything other than politicians.Ivytalk wrote:We have to pass it before we find out what's in it. What Pelosi said.
Well, the GOP DID say we can't afford the ACAChizzang wrote:The process to Repeal The Affordable Care Act is officially underway
It was officially marked as under way when the CBO (Congressional Budget Office)
will NOT be allowed to review the costs of repealing Obama Care
Yes that's right:
The new Republican rules package specifically excludes the CBO from examining the repeal process
Essentially requesting that the CBO distort the Federal Budget Reporting system to HIDE the costs
Republican New Rules Package here:
http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/201 ... -FINAL.pdf
This really isn't a thread until Baldy does some advanced apologeticsCID1990 wrote:Well, the GOP DID say we can't afford the ACAChizzang wrote:The process to Repeal The Affordable Care Act is officially underway
It was officially marked as under way when the CBO (Congressional Budget Office)
will NOT be allowed to review the costs of repealing Obama Care
Yes that's right:
The new Republican rules package specifically excludes the CBO from examining the repeal process
Essentially requesting that the CBO distort the Federal Budget Reporting system to HIDE the costs
Republican New Rules Package here:
http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/201 ... -FINAL.pdf
Because more things are being covered?ASUG8 wrote:I found myself at a bit of a loss talking my wife about ACA last night.
Wife: If more people are paying into the program, why are the costs rising?
Me:
Read page 25 of the link I providePwns wrote:Politifact flagged this one as false.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -obamacar/
I don't buy that. If I were to truly guess, I'd go with the following:Grizalltheway wrote:Because more things are being covered?ASUG8 wrote:I found myself at a bit of a loss talking my wife about ACA last night.
Wife: If more people are paying into the program, why are the costs rising?
Me:
Not only that, but people with conditions that use to preclude them from having insurance are driving up the costs. PLUS the government has its hand in it.Grizalltheway wrote:Because more things are being covered?ASUG8 wrote:I found myself at a bit of a loss talking my wife about ACA last night.
Wife: If more people are paying into the program, why are the costs rising?
Me:
One addition to your younger people comment - the plan allows young adults up to age 26 to stay on their parent's family plan. So instead of making a 23 year old college graduate purchase his own insurance he can stay on mom and dad's plan. So we need young, healthy people to pay in but we give them a way out of paying.ASUG8 wrote:I don't buy that. If I were to truly guess, I'd go with the following:Grizalltheway wrote:
Because more things are being covered?
* the ACA is similar to Social Security in that it requires younger (presumably healthier) people to contribute in order to finance those boomers who are aging and requiring more care.
* Similarly, some folks now required to kick in for insurance had untreated prexisting conditions that they either left untreated or paid for out of pocket. Insurance companies lost money on those customers with ACA, which led to:
* Insurers pulling out of the exchanges in many cases, stifling competition and nearing state monopolies and able to charge what they want.
Because you only have one outlier?kalm wrote:Btw, our premiums are still way less than they were before the ACA, purchased privately on the open market and for a solid plan. None of us had to switch doctors although we did have to change pharmacies when we switched from Premera to Grouphealth this month. Wonder why we're the outlier?
Why does Obama hate orphans?HI54UNI wrote: One addition to your younger people comment - the plan allows young adults up to age 26 to stay on their parent's family plan. So instead of making a 23 year old college graduate purchase his own insurance he can stay on mom and dad's plan. So we need young, healthy people to pay in but we give them a way out of paying.
Ummm...no it's not.Chizzang wrote:Read page 25 of the link I providePwns wrote:Politifact flagged this one as false.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -obamacar/
They are not allowed to report on the costs of repeal
it's in print
Yup...Baldy wrote:Ummm...no it's not.Chizzang wrote:
Read page 25 of the link I provide
They are not allowed to report on the costs of repeal
it's in print
It simply states, "This subsection shall not apply to any bill or joint resolution, or amendment thereto or conference report thereon—"
That simply means the CBO is not required to make an 50 year analysis. That is a million miles different than "not allowed" (your words) or prohibited from making an analysis.
Besides, the Congressional Budget Act has a requirement that all legislation considered by Congress must have a 10 year cost estimate. An Act is a Law and a Law > Rules.
Fake news isn't the problem. You simply read things as you want to read them.Chizzang wrote:Yup...Baldy wrote: Ummm...no it's not.
It simply states, "This subsection shall not apply to any bill or joint resolution, or amendment thereto or conference report thereon—"
That simply means the CBO is not required to make an 50 year analysis. That is a million miles different than "not allowed" (your words) or prohibited from making an analysis.
Besides, the Congressional Budget Act has a requirement that all legislation considered by Congress must have a 10 year cost estimate. An Act is a Law and a Law > Rules.
I got snookered by the fake news people again (rotten fuckers)
I read it because it seemed stunning
and it indeed read like there was some shenanigans
But after sending it to my brother he agrees with you
Fake News is a real problem
Especially because I'm already a cynical old fart from the get-go
Yes,Cluck U wrote:Fake news isn't the problem. You simply read things as you want to read them.Chizzang wrote:
Yup...
I got snookered by the fake news people again (rotten fuckers)
I read it because it seemed stunning
and it indeed read like there was some shenanigans
But after sending it to my brother he agrees with you
Fake News is a real problem
Especially because I'm already a cynical old fart from the get-go
Even worse, when you get told the truth, you insist others are wrong and double down on your ignorance.
You aren't cynical...you are arrogant.
Stay off FoxNews and CNN and you'll avoid the fake news.Chizzang wrote:Yup...Baldy wrote: Ummm...no it's not.
It simply states, "This subsection shall not apply to any bill or joint resolution, or amendment thereto or conference report thereon—"
That simply means the CBO is not required to make an 50 year analysis. That is a million miles different than "not allowed" (your words) or prohibited from making an analysis.
Besides, the Congressional Budget Act has a requirement that all legislation considered by Congress must have a 10 year cost estimate. An Act is a Law and a Law > Rules.
I got snookered by the fake news people again (rotten fuckers)
I read it because it seemed stunning
and it indeed read like there was some shenanigans
But after sending it to my brother he agrees with you
Fake News is a real problem
Especially because I'm already a cynical old fart from the get-go
And MSNBC, and NBC, and ABC, and CBS, and the Wa Po, and the NYT, and the.....Ibanez wrote:Stay off FoxNews and CNN and you'll avoid the fake news.Chizzang wrote:
Yup...
I got snookered by the fake news people again (rotten ****)
I read it because it seemed stunning
and it indeed read like there was some shenanigans
But after sending it to my brother he agrees with you
Fake News is a real problem
Especially because I'm already a cynical old fart from the get-go
Yep! Breitbart and the Daily Caller are the only ones you can really trust these days.BDKJMU wrote:And MSNBC, and NBC, and ABC, and CBS, and the Wa Po, and the NYT, and the.....Ibanez wrote:
Stay off FoxNews and CNN and you'll avoid the fake news.
Don't forget about Buzzfeed.Grizalltheway wrote:Yep! Breitbart and the Daily Caller are the only ones you can really trust these days.BDKJMU wrote:
And MSNBC, and NBC, and ABC, and CBS, and the Wa Po, and the NYT, and the.....
