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Re: Obama: Greatest President of Modern Era

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mrklean wrote:
GannonFan wrote:He's very much like John Quincy Adams - smart guy, great credentials, good looking and personable, good ideas, yet also lacking in the ability to use those attributes fully in the political spectrum, unable to put much in place, either through his own failings or the resistance of the other party in Washington, and unfortunately way too associated with an entrenched, self-serving and self-perpetuating political elite in Washington. And oddly, both were replaced by what could be considered the two most populist Presidents we've ever had in first Jackson and now Trump. I think 93 said it before and I agree, Obama will be one of the most disappointing Presidents we've had because he had so much potential and delivered (both by his fault and by others) on so little of it. Incoming expectations for him were probably always unreasonable.
He had a congress that refused to work with him on most of his ideas. Remember his jobs bill that the GOP shot down. Image how many people could have been put to work under that bill? But we will never know. :coffee:
Imagine how many people could have been put to work if he'd approved the pipelines Trump approved on day 2 in office. Imagine how many people would have been put to work if the "shovel ready" jobs he preached about were actually shovel ready. Imagine how many lives could have been saved and towns saved from riots/burning if he'd done the right thing for race relations, instead of setting them back 50 years by misstepping at virtually every turn. Imagine how differently the republican congress might have acted later had he not shoved Obamacare down their throats right out of the gate, with the snide comments like "I won" and "elections have consequences" when he had a supermajority. Imagine how different the world would look now if he'd actually drawn a line in the sand and MEANT it. Imagine how the other half of America might have felt about him if he hadn't denigrated them right off the bat with his "clinging to their guns and religion" comment (something Hillary didn't learn from either with her "basket of deplorables" gaffe). Imagine what he might have accomplished had he not acquiesced the first two years of his first term to Pelosi and Read, setting the stage for the most divisive 6 years in our history. Imagine what he might have accomplished had he not taken vacations at the absolute worst possible times.

Obama, most of the time, seemed almost tone deaf to the things going on around him, oblivious to how his actions would be viewed by Americans and the rest of the world. Either that, or he really just didn't give two shits how his actions would be viewed. Either way, he ended his term as a huge disappointment, and probably seriously set back the Donk party (unless they learn from their mistakes, which it doesn't seem is happening). Obama created the vacuum that allowed someone like Trump to flourish. Obama and his minions created the hate, dissention, dissatisfaction and disgust that caused a snake-oil salesman like Trump to be able to stir up the mouthbreathers and take over D.C.

He had a chance to be historic. Instead, he'll go down as historically bad.
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Re: Obama: Greatest President of Modern Era

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AZGrizFan wrote:
mrklean wrote:
He had a congress that refused to work with him on most of his ideas. Remember his jobs bill that the GOP shot down. Image how many people could have been put to work under that bill? But we will never know. :coffee:
Imagine how many people could have been put to work if he'd approved the pipelines Trump approved on day 2 in office. Imagine how many people would have been put to work if the "shovel ready" jobs he preached about were actually shovel ready. Imagine how many lives could have been saved and towns saved from riots/burning if he'd done the right thing for race relations, instead of setting them back 50 years by misstepping at virtually every turn. Imagine how differently the republican congress might have acted later had he not shoved Obamacare down their throats right out of the gate, with the snide comments like "I won" and "elections have consequences" when he had a supermajority. Imagine how different the world would look now if he'd actually drawn a line in the sand and MEANT it. Imagine how the other half of America might have felt about him if he hadn't denigrated them right off the bat with his "clinging to their guns and religion" comment (something Hillary didn't learn from either with her "basket of deplorables" gaffe). Imagine what he might have accomplished had he not acquiesced the first two years of his first term to Pelosi and Read, setting the stage for the most divisive 6 years in our history. Imagine what he might have accomplished had he not taken vacations at the absolute worst possible times.

Obama, most of the time, seemed almost tone deaf to the things going on around him, oblivious to how his actions would be viewed by Americans and the rest of the world. Either that, or he really just didn't give two shits how his actions would be viewed. Either way, he ended his term as a huge disappointment, and probably seriously set back the Donk party (unless they learn from their mistakes, which it doesn't seem is happening). Obama created the vacuum that allowed someone like Trump to flourish. Obama and his minions created the hate, dissention, dissatisfaction and disgust that caused a snake-oil salesman like Trump to be able to stir up the mouthbreathers and take over D.C.

He had a chance to be historic. Instead, he'll go down as historically bad.
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Re: Obama: Greatest President of Modern Era

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CID1990 wrote:In my book he is one of the best in some areas, and one of the worst in others. His bad attributes were mainly due to inexperience and a touch of ego. His good attributes were due to his personable nature and I think a genuine kindness that I liked.
This.

Could have been great if he had spent more time in the Senate, and been a little older. We rushed him.

I'd say a somewhat successful presidency.
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Obama's popularity rose after he had a Republican Congress preventing him from railroading through more huge social programs. He was able to get back to doing what he does best, which is to look like a bright and clean half-negro in a shiny suit, reading off a teleprompter. He was really fucking good at doing that.
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Ivytalk wrote:
CID1990 wrote:In my book he is one of the best in some areas, and one of the worst in others. His bad attributes were mainly due to inexperience and a shytload of ego. His good attributes were due to his personable nature and I think a genuine kindness (????) that I liked.
FIFY.

Honestly, CID, I never saw the kindness part of the guy. Maybe he was close to his family, but beyond that, it was all cold calculation for political benefit.
I'm speaking only about what I know about his personal attributes - we all know those can sometimes be very divergent from a person's political attributes.

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He was lazy intellectually and personally. He often ended debate by essentially saying that only he knew the real truth. That and he "lead from behind" meaning he dumped his work on everyone else's lap.

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Re: Obama: Greatest President of Modern Era

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CID1990 wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
FIFY.

Honestly, CID, I never saw the kindness part of the guy. Maybe he was close to his family, but beyond that, it was all cold calculation for political benefit.
I'm speaking only about what I know about his personal attributes - we all know those can sometimes be very divergent from a person's political attributes.

He loves dogs and babies and they love him back - dogs and babies are the world's greatest yardsticks
I'll give you the dogs part. Babies, not so much. Dubya was better with them.
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IMO the last three presidencies (Bush, Obama and Trump) of the US are likely to go down as the 3 worst consecutive presidencies since Fillmore, Pierce and Buchanan. So much potential squandered.
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Re: Obama: Greatest President of Modern Era

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UNI88 wrote:IMO the last three presidencies (Bush, Obama and Trump) of the US are likely to go down as the 3 worst consecutive presidencies since Fillmore, Pierce and Buchanan. So much potential squandered.
They are reflective of us

We used to be a nation of adults

Now we need to have our TV time taken away and be sent to bed without any supper
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UNI88 wrote:IMO the last three presidencies (Bush, Obama and Trump) of the US are likely to go down as the 3 worst consecutive presidencies since Fillmore, Pierce and Buchanan. So much potential squandered.
At least that Fillmore/Pierce/Buchanan triumvirate of suckness was limited to one term each. We've already had two terms for both Bush and Obama so even if Trump (by age or by vote) is only one term it's still at least 8 more years of inadequacy as compared to that antebellum group.
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Re: Obama: Greatest President of Modern Era

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mrklean wrote:
GannonFan wrote:He's very much like John Quincy Adams - smart guy, great credentials, good looking and personable, good ideas, yet also lacking in the ability to use those attributes fully in the political spectrum, unable to put much in place, either through his own failings or the resistance of the other party in Washington, and unfortunately way too associated with an entrenched, self-serving and self-perpetuating political elite in Washington. And oddly, both were replaced by what could be considered the two most populist Presidents we've ever had in first Jackson and now Trump. I think 93 said it before and I agree, Obama will be one of the most disappointing Presidents we've had because he had so much potential and delivered (both by his fault and by others) on so little of it. Incoming expectations for him were probably always unreasonable.
He had a congress that refused to work with him on most of his ideas. Remember his jobs bill that the GOP shot down. Image how many people could have been put to work under that bill? But we will never know. :coffee:
Republicans only controlled congress the last 2 years of his 8 years. Dems the first 2, Senate Dems & House Reps the next 4 years and Reps the last 2.
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Re: Obama: Greatest President of Modern Era

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Gil Dobie wrote:
mrklean wrote:
He had a congress that refused to work with him on most of his ideas. Remember his jobs bill that the GOP shot down. Image how many people could have been put to work under that bill? But we will never know. :coffee:
Republicans only controlled congress the last 2 years of his 8 years. Dems the first 2, Senate Dems & House Reps the next 4 years and Reps the last 2.
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Re: Obama: Greatest President of Modern Era

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If Obama was so great, you would think the Dems would take control of congress and the people would trust his endorsement of Hillary. Instead the Reps slowly took over congress and Donald Trump is President. /thread
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