I read the article and all it says is that the state is looking. What funds would the state of California collect and send to the feds? It's all bluster...kalm wrote:HI54UNI wrote:
California may be a donor state but that is coming from individuals and busineses paying taxes to the feds not because the state is sending money to the feds. So the feds win this one.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/0 ... p-threats/
Could be right...then again, Trumps threats could also be bluster.HI54UNI wrote:I read the article and all it says is that the state is looking. What funds would the state of California collect and send to the feds? It's all bluster...
Again...if CA decides to suspend money to the Feds, then cut imports from California. Cut off water from the Colorado River. Let their crops rot on the vine.kalm wrote:Could be right...then again, Trumps threats could also be bluster.HI54UNI wrote:
I read the article and all it says is that the state is looking. What funds would the state of California collect and send to the feds? It's all bluster...
Tax revolt!
You're either too partisan or too stupid to get it... maybe both.houndawg wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:
Well of course if you take out a state with almost 40 million people it's going to change things dramatically.
Hell, its only 13% of the population, pay no attention..
Half the guys in that town go down already.OL FU wrote:Can Sherman be re-incarnated?
I see San Fran going down
That'd make for some good drama. Especially if they were able to secede (which won't happen).Cluck U wrote:Again...if CA decides to suspend money to the Feds, then cut imports from California. Cut off water from the Colorado River. Let their crops rot on the vine.kalm wrote:
Could be right...then again, Trumps threats could also be bluster.
Tax revolt!
California needs the world more than the world need California.
On second thought...then they'd come after our water.Ibanez wrote:That'd make for some good drama. Especially if they were able to secede (which won't happen).Cluck U wrote:
Again...if CA decides to suspend money to the Feds, then cut imports from California. Cut off water from the Colorado River. Let their crops rot on the vine.
California needs the world more than the world need California.
I deliver the light...bask in its brilliance.kalm wrote:On second thought...then they'd come after our water.Ibanez wrote: That'd make for some good drama. Especially if they were able to secede (which won't happen).
To quote Pavement..."the South takes what the North delivers..."
Fuck that!
Screw those commie scum!!!
yeah yeah shoulda woulda coulda...89Hen wrote:You're either too partisan or too stupid to get it... maybe both.houndawg wrote:
Hell, its only 13% of the population, pay no attention..
These next four years are going to be an absolute hoot You people?houndawg wrote:yeah yeah shoulda woulda coulda...89Hen wrote:
You're either too partisan or too stupid to get it... maybe both.
What's up with you people? I swear there has never been a sorer bunch winners than you guys..
12,000,000 more voters preferring someone else to your candidate seems to be a thing that El Cheeto just can't let pass..
89Hen wrote:You people?houndawg wrote:
yeah yeah shoulda woulda coulda...
What's up with you people? I swear there has never been a sorer bunch winners than you guys..
12,000,000 more voters preferring someone else to your candidate seems to be a thing that El Cheeto just can't let pass..
Again, YOU are the problem here, not me. This is a thread about California wanting to secede and somebody mentioning that if they did, that would tremendously hurt the Dems in the remaining 49 states. YOU are too partisan to see beyond the end of your nose.
Whatever. Glad you're changing the subject.houndawg wrote:89Hen wrote: You people?
Again, YOU are the problem here, not me. This is a thread about California wanting to secede and somebody mentioning that if they did, that would tremendously hurt the Dems in the remaining 49 states. YOU are too partisan to see beyond the end of your nose.
Whoever reads these posts to you isn't doing a good job.
I don't much care what happens to the Democrats. I hope they lose millions of members to the Green Party. I hope both parties are so damaged that in '18 when every House seat is up that all 435 of them lose.
Every. single. one.
Makes a great bipartisan campaign slogan, no?
houndawg wrote:89Hen wrote:
You're either too partisan or too stupid to get it... maybe both.
What's up with you people? I swear there has never been a sorer bunch winners than you guys..
That's hilarious. Good one. Thanks.
1st of all, 12 million more voters didn't prefer someone else than Trump It was close to 11 million. Must be the 6.93 Illinois math..houndawg wrote:yeah yeah shoulda woulda coulda...89Hen wrote:
You're either too partisan or too stupid to get it... maybe both.
What's up with you people? I swear there has never been a sorer bunch winners than you guys..
12,000,000 more voters preferring someone else to your candidate seems to be a thing that El Cheeto just can't let pass..
In the context of the United States, California is a liberal stalwart, delivering 55 electoral college votes, amassing millions in political donations, protecting civilians at enormous military bases, exporting produce and natural resources like oil, facilitating legal and illicit global trade in ports like Oakland and San Pedro, managing migration from the southern border, dictating culture through Hollywood, and uprooting economic and social structures from Silicon Valley. If this enormously diverse geography and people were to answer to itself, this identity might mature or shift significantly.
Salon, always good for a laugh.
Except the lionshare of cheap dog shit from China comes through a port located in...wait for it...California.Cluck U wrote:Again...if CA decides to suspend money to the Feds, then cut imports from California. Cut off water from the Colorado River. Let their crops rot on the vine.kalm wrote:
Could be right...then again, Trumps threats could also be bluster.
Tax revolt!
California needs the world more than the world need California.
But the wall though...Ibanez wrote:In the context of the United States, California is a liberal stalwart, delivering 55 electoral college votes, amassing millions in political donations, protecting civilians at enormous military bases, exporting produce and natural resources like oil, facilitating legal and illicit global trade in ports like Oakland and San Pedro, managing migration from the southern border, dictating culture through Hollywood, and uprooting economic and social structures from Silicon Valley. If this enormously diverse geography and people were to answer to itself, this identity might mature or shift significantly.
http://www.salon.com/2017/02/12/an-inde ... f-an-idea/
What's comical is the those think a wall can't slow down illegal immigration lolSDHornet wrote:Except the lionshare of cheap dog **** from China comes through a port located in...wait for it...California.Cluck U wrote:
Again...if CA decides to suspend money to the Feds, then cut imports from California. Cut off water from the Colorado River. Let their crops rot on the vine.
California needs the world more than the world need California.
Whoops.
Oh and the other items listed are just as comical as thinking a wall is going to slow down illegal immigration.
, when Israel has already proved a properly constructed one (440 miles) can. Ok, you convinced me. Since a strong portion of the Israeli economy depends largely on cheap illegal Arab labor coming across their border similarly to our economy needing cheap illegal brown labor, the two situations are identical.BDKJMU wrote:What's comical is the those think a wall can't slow down illegal immigration lolSDHornet wrote: Except the lionshare of cheap dog **** from China comes through a port located in...wait for it...California.
Whoops.
Oh and the other items listed are just as comical as thinking a wall is going to slow down illegal immigration.
"..About 90-95% of the barrier will be constructed as a "multi-layered fence system" with the IDF's preferred design having three fences, pyramid-shaped stacks of barbed wire on the two outer fences, a lighter-weight fence with intrusion detection equipment in the middle, an anti-vehicle ditch, patrol roads on both sides, and a smooth strip of sand for "intrusion tracking".
The barrier contains an on-average 60-metre (200 ft) wide exclusion area. The width of some sections is larger (up to 100 metres (330 ft)) due to topographic conditions. The width of some sections (about 6% of the barrier) is 3 metres (9.8 ft) where the barrier is constructed as a concrete wall up to 8 metres (26 ft) high..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier
Even the left leaning politifact admits the statement that it cut illegal immigration by 99% is mostly true.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... on-99-per/
SDHornet wrote:Ok, you convinced me. Since a strong portion of the Israeli economy depends largely on cheap illegal Arab labor coming across their border similarly to our economy needing cheap illegal brown labor, the two situations are identical.BDKJMU wrote:
What's comical is the those think a wall can't slow down illegal immigration lol
"..About 90-95% of the barrier will be constructed as a "multi-layered fence system" with the IDF's preferred design having three fences, pyramid-shaped stacks of barbed wire on the two outer fences, a lighter-weight fence with intrusion detection equipment in the middle, an anti-vehicle ditch, patrol roads on both sides, and a smooth strip of sand for "intrusion tracking".
The barrier contains an on-average 60-metre (200 ft) wide exclusion area. The width of some sections is larger (up to 100 metres (330 ft)) due to topographic conditions. The width of some sections (about 6% of the barrier) is 3 metres (9.8 ft) where the barrier is constructed as a concrete wall up to 8 metres (26 ft) high..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier
Even the left leaning politifact admits the statement that it cut illegal immigration by 99% is mostly true.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... on-99-per/
Nailed it.
The wall won't work because the demand for the labor is too high. What part of this do you conks not understand? Fine and jail employers of illegal labor and you don't need a wall. It's that simple.
Its doesn't matter what the reason is. A wall can work to prevent illegal border crossers IF properly constructed & defended. Of course it won't work for the other 40% of illegal immigrants (visa overstays) which is an entirely different matter.
If there were *magically* no more deportations.BDKJMU wrote:If somehow magically not another single illegal immgrant entered the US or overstayed it wouln't hurt our cheap labor market much- the cheap labor is already here.
There you go with the details again...Skjellyfetti wrote:If there were *magically* no more deportations.BDKJMU wrote:If somehow magically not another single illegal immgrant entered the US or overstayed it wouln't hurt our cheap labor market much- the cheap labor is already here.
Or Ivy's Libertarian Party affiliation?Ivytalk wrote:What will last longer: the Oroville Dam, or Trump's travel ban?