CalExit!

[Ivytalk]

What will last longer: the Oroville Dam, or Trump's travel ban?

Or Ivy's Libertarian Party affiliation?

You actually read my post!

No homo. Happy Valentine's Day. No homo again.

[CID1990]

This wall is going to be a very simple exercise in how poorly government does things (because the ACA was apparently too abstract for the average liberal to get the picture)

It will look great on paper, full of features, bells and whistles. Artist depictions will make it look as natural as a part of the landscape.

Then it will go through the legislative budget process. In order to keep the. 10 foot depth to deter tunnelers, some Iowa democrat will get a bridge and a republican in Alabama will get a federal ID card printer for one of his prisons.

What will get built will come in 45% over budget, will not be finished before Trump's term, and ultimately will have 50 mile long gaps that will never be completed


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[Ibanez]

http://abc7news.com/politics/exclusive- ... a/1752988/

Louis Marinelli has received support in Russia from a far-right nationalist group that wants to break up the United States. Former intelligence officials say that association raises serious questions about his intent.

"You don't need this to be involved in California's campaign for independence," Marinelli said holding up an American flag.

He's the leader of the Yes California campaign, also dubbed Calexit. Marinelli is an American who lives in Russia, but his movement is getting a lot of attention stateside.

[GannonFan]

http://abc7news.com/politics/exclusive- ... a/1752988/

Louis Marinelli has received support in Russia from a far-right nationalist group that wants to break up the United States. Former intelligence officials say that association raises serious questions about his intent.

"You don't need this to be involved in California's campaign for independence," Marinelli said holding up an American flag.

He's the leader of the Yes California campaign, also dubbed Calexit. Marinelli is an American who lives in Russia, but his movement is getting a lot of attention stateside.

Sweet Jesus the Russians are everywhere!!! Where's Joe McCarthy and a good Red Scare when you need one!!

[kalm]

http://abc7news.com/politics/exclusive- ... a/1752988/

Sweet Jesus the Russians are everywhere!!! Where's Joe McCarthy and a good Red Scare when you need one!!

I though about this with previous criticism of Rtv and liberal hosts like Tom Hartmann.

Seems like we're all Russian now...

[Chizzang]

This wall is going to be a very simple exercise in how poorly government does things (because the ACA was apparently too abstract for the average liberal to get the picture)

It will look great on paper, full of features, bells and whistles. Artist depictions will make it look as natural as a part of the landscape.

Then it will go through the legislative budget process. In order to keep the. 10 foot depth to deter tunnelers, some Iowa democrat will get a bridge and a republican in Alabama will get a federal ID card printer for one of his prisons.

What will get built will come in 45% over budget, will not be finished before Trump's term, and ultimately will have 50 mile long gaps that will never be completed

So what you're saying is:
This will be Trumps affordable Care Act..?

[houndawg]

What's comical is the those think a wall can't slow down illegal immigration lol , when Israel has already proved a properly constructed one (440 miles) can.

"..About 90-95% of the barrier will be constructed as a "multi-layered fence system" with the IDF's preferred design having three fences, pyramid-shaped stacks of barbed wire on the two outer fences, a lighter-weight fence with intrusion detection equipment in the middle, an anti-vehicle ditch, patrol roads on both sides, and a smooth strip of sand for "intrusion tracking".

The barrier contains an on-average 60-metre (200 ft) wide exclusion area. The width of some sections is larger (up to 100 metres (330 ft)) due to topographic conditions. The width of some sections (about 6% of the barrier) is 3 metres (9.8 ft) where the barrier is constructed as a concrete wall up to 8 metres (26 ft) high..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier

Even the left leaning politifact admits the statement that it cut illegal immigration by 99% is mostly true.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... on-99-per/

Ok, you convinced me. Since a strong portion of the Israeli economy depends largely on cheap illegal Arab labor coming across their border similarly to our economy needing cheap illegal brown labor, the two situations are identical.

Nailed it.

The wall won't work because the demand for the labor is too high. What part of this do you conks not understand? Fine and jail employers of illegal labor and you don't need a wall. It's that simple.

The same conks squealing about illegals would rather have illegals than pay a living wage.

[CID1990]

This wall is going to be a very simple exercise in how poorly government does things (because the ACA was apparently too abstract for the average liberal to get the picture)

It will look great on paper, full of features, bells and whistles. Artist depictions will make it look as natural as a part of the landscape.

Then it will go through the legislative budget process. In order to keep the. 10 foot depth to deter tunnelers, some Iowa democrat will get a bridge and a republican in Alabama will get a federal ID card printer for one of his prisons.

What will get built will come in 45% over budget, will not be finished before Trump's term, and ultimately will have 50 mile long gaps that will never be completed

So what you're saying is:
This will be Trumps affordable Care Act..?

Precisely-

progressives never met a problem that they didn't think government couldn't solve-

Silly me was hoping that the obvious slow motion train wreck that is the ACA (unique train wreck in that it was obvious it was going to happen before the train left the station) might bring at least a small number of people to the realization that regardless of how bad our healthcare system is - government bureaucrats can easily make it worse (and more costly to the average person)

But the problem with the ACA (as with pretty much every federal operation) is that it is too complex for the layman to understand. So you can throw a bunch of "facts" about the huge success that is the ACA and voila- you get fat dudes at town halls telling us how they are gonna DIIIEEE if the ACA is repealed

What I like about this wall is that it's simple- it's a wall. It will become a decaying, obscenely expensive monument to our government's ineptitude that even the dumbest among us can understand. I know I'm being naive to think that it's failure will convince 1) Trumpers that a wall isn't the answer or 2) progressives that fvcked up government projects are a feature, not a bug

Personally I don't want it to be repealed- the cynical side of me says it should be left to completely fly off the tracks - but that would not be in the best interest of Americans in general. So we'll "fix" it.... meaning we'll write thousands of pages of caveats and exceptions into it making it as cumbersome as the tax code. And in the meantime, natural market forces will create a two tiered system of bureaucratically controlled treatment that the schmucks use, and a private one where those of us with money pay it in cash to the doctors we want, for the healthcare we want

maybe it is one more chink in the armor of the Religion of Government but I doubt it


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[Chizzang]

So what you're saying is:
This will be Trumps affordable Care Act..?

Precisely-

progressives never met a problem that they didn't think government couldn't solve-

Silly me was hoping that the obvious slow motion train wreck that is the ACA (unique train wreck in that it was obvious it was going to happen before the train left the station) might bring at least a small number of people to the realization that regardless of how bad our healthcare system is - government bureaucrats can easily make it worse (and more costly to the average person)

But the problem with the ACA (as with pretty much every federal operation) is that it is too complex for the layman to understand. So you can throw a bunch of "facts" about the huge success that is the ACA and voila- you get fat dudes at town halls telling us how they are gonna DIIIEEE if the ACA is repealed

What I like about this wall is that it's simple- it's a wall. It will become a decaying, obscenely expensive monument to our government's ineptitude that even the dumbest among us can understand. I know I'm being naive to think that it's failure will convince 1) Trumpers that a wall isn't the answer or 2) progressives that fvcked up government projects are a feature, not a bug

Personally I don't want it to be repealed- the cynical side of me says it should be left to completely fly off the tracks - but that would not be in the best interest of Americans in general. So we'll "fix" it.... meaning we'll write thousands of pages of caveats and exceptions into it making it as cumbersome as the tax code. And in the meantime, natural market forces will create a two tiered system of bureaucratically controlled treatment that the schmucks use, and a private one where those of us with money pay it in cash to the doctors we want, for the healthcare we want

maybe it is one more chink in the armor of the Religion of Government but I doubt it

Well,
For one, your writing has come a long way in these past few years... That ^ was very enjoyable
Two, what is it that can truly be "learned" in a world where simple facts are now debatable

We have an immigration problem that isn't really a problem unless you're a landscaper or pick beans
We're going to fix this "problem" by building a wall

Okay...
Oh and:
The wall is eventually going to become a bigger problem than Mexicans ever were...

oh and this:
Me and you later

[SDHornet]

What will last longer: the Oroville Dam, or Trump's travel ban?

Oroville Dam was never in danger of a catastrophic failure, Trumps travel ban is well on it way to being one.

[SDHornet]

Ok, you convinced me. Since a strong portion of the Israeli economy depends largely on cheap illegal Arab labor coming across their border similarly to our economy needing cheap illegal brown labor, the two situations are identical.

Nailed it.

The wall won't work because the demand for the labor is too high. What part of this do you conks not understand? Fine and jail employers of illegal labor and you don't need a wall. It's that simple.

The same conks squealing about illegals would rather have illegals than pay a living wage.

You'll also never see a livable wage so long as cheap illegal labor is so readily available. Oh the irony.

[houndawg]

So what you're saying is:
This will be Trumps affordable Care Act..?

Precisely-

progressives never met a problem that they didn't think government couldn't solve-

Silly me was hoping that the obvious slow motion train wreck that is the ACA (unique train wreck in that it was obvious it was going to happen before the train left the station) might bring at least a small number of people to the realization that regardless of how bad our healthcare system is - government bureaucrats can easily make it worse (and more costly to the average person)

But the problem with the ACA (as with pretty much every federal operation) is that it is too complex for the layman to understand. So you can throw a bunch of "facts" about the huge success that is the ACA and voila- you get fat dudes at town halls telling us how they are gonna DIIIEEE if the ACA is repealed

What I like about this wall is that it's simple- it's a wall. It will become a decaying, obscenely expensive monument to our government's ineptitude that even the dumbest among us can understand. I know I'm being naive to think that it's failure will convince 1) Trumpers that a wall isn't the answer or 2) progressives that fvcked up government projects are a feature, not a bug

Personally I don't want it to be repealed- the cynical side of me says it should be left to completely fly off the tracks - but that would not be in the best interest of Americans in general. So we'll "fix" it.... meaning we'll write thousands of pages of caveats and exceptions into it making it as cumbersome as the tax code. And in the meantime, natural market forces will create a two tiered system of bureaucratically controlled treatment that the schmucks use, and a private one where those of us with money pay it in cash to the doctors we want, for the healthcare we want

maybe it is one more chink in the armor of the Religion of Government but I doubt it


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Single payer.

[houndawg]

The same conks squealing about illegals would rather have illegals than pay a living wage.

You'll also never see a livable wage so long as cheap illegal labor is so readily available. Oh the irony.

I don't need one.

[CID1990]

Precisely-

progressives never met a problem that they didn't think government couldn't solve-

Silly me was hoping that the obvious slow motion train wreck that is the ACA (unique train wreck in that it was obvious it was going to happen before the train left the station) might bring at least a small number of people to the realization that regardless of how bad our healthcare system is - government bureaucrats can easily make it worse (and more costly to the average person)

But the problem with the ACA (as with pretty much every federal operation) is that it is too complex for the layman to understand. So you can throw a bunch of "facts" about the huge success that is the ACA and voila- you get fat dudes at town halls telling us how they are gonna DIIIEEE if the ACA is repealed

What I like about this wall is that it's simple- it's a wall. It will become a decaying, obscenely expensive monument to our government's ineptitude that even the dumbest among us can understand. I know I'm being naive to think that it's failure will convince 1) Trumpers that a wall isn't the answer or 2) progressives that fvcked up government projects are a feature, not a bug

Personally I don't want it to be repealed- the cynical side of me says it should be left to completely fly off the tracks - but that would not be in the best interest of Americans in general. So we'll "fix" it.... meaning we'll write thousands of pages of caveats and exceptions into it making it as cumbersome as the tax code. And in the meantime, natural market forces will create a two tiered system of bureaucratically controlled treatment that the schmucks use, and a private one where those of us with money pay it in cash to the doctors we want, for the healthcare we want

maybe it is one more chink in the armor of the Religion of Government but I doubt it


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Single payer.

Aaand I give you Exhibit A, folks




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[SDHornet]

You'll also never see a livable wage so long as cheap illegal labor is so readily available. Oh the irony.

I don't need one.

Millions of others do...and they'll never see it.

[houndawg]

I don't need one.

Millions of others do...and they'll never see it.

One of the annoying things about our 1% is how they can't be happy with a win-win situation. They can't be happy until they win AND you lose.

[Skjellyfetti]

The leader of California separatist group Yes California announced in a 1,600-word statement on Monday that he "intends to make Russia" his "new home" and is therefore withdrawing his petition for a "Calexit" referendum.

Louis Marinelli, who has spearheaded the Calexit campaign since 2015, set up a makeshift embassy in Moscow in December in partnership with far-right Russian nationalists who enjoy Kremlin support while promoting secessionist movements in Europe.

"I have found in Russia a new happiness, a life without the albatross of frustration and resentment towards ones’ homeland, and a future detached from the partisan divisions and animosity that has thus far engulfed my entire adult life," Marinelli wrote on Monday. "Consequently, if the people of Russia would be so kind as to welcome me here on a permanent basis, I intend to make Russia my new home."

http://www.businessinsider.com/calexit- ... sia-2017-4

[Ivytalk]

The leader of California separatist group Yes California announced in a 1,600-word statement on Monday that he "intends to make Russia" his "new home" and is therefore withdrawing his petition for a "Calexit" referendum.

Louis Marinelli, who has spearheaded the Calexit campaign since 2015, set up a makeshift embassy in Moscow in December in partnership with far-right Russian nationalists who enjoy Kremlin support while promoting secessionist movements in Europe.

"I have found in Russia a new happiness, a life without the albatross of frustration and resentment towards ones’ homeland, and a future detached from the partisan divisions and animosity that has thus far engulfed my entire adult life," Marinelli wrote on Monday. "Consequently, if the people of Russia would be so kind as to welcome me here on a permanent basis, I intend to make Russia my new home."

http://www.businessinsider.com/calexit- ... sia-2017-4

What an azzhole.

[Pwns]

So does this mean the Calexit people are Putin puppets?

[SDHornet]

So does this mean the Calexit people are Putin puppets?

Yes...


...oh and in the meantime we are on track to have the wettest year on record. So much for those perpetual drought predictions by the global warming advocates.

[houndawg]

So does this mean the Calexit people are Putin puppets?

Yes...


...oh and in the meantime we are on track to have the wettest year on record. So much for those perpetual drought predictions by the global warming advocates.

nice to hear the drought is over.

[SDHornet]

Yes...


...oh and in the meantime we are on track to have the wettest year on record. So much for those perpetual drought predictions by the global warming advocates.

nice to hear the drought is over.

There never really was one in the places that matter. Lack of investment in sufficient infrastructure over the last few decades put this state in that situation. It'll happen again.

[VictorG]

So does this mean the Calexit people are Putin puppets?

Yes...


...oh and in the meantime we are on track to have the wettest year on record. So much for those perpetual drought predictions by the global warming advocates.

What about the Arctic? The temp variation in the continental US has only been a few %% points. Last I heard in the North Arctic, it's 11 degrees.....The Arctic is the most sensitive and they say with in a few years polar bears will be extinct..... No more polar ice on the oceans...Just what does everyone think the ramifications of that will be in conjunction with the south Arctic?

Also, there is some concern about just what will be freed into the atmosphere besides carbon monoxide when the tundra thaws....Stuff that the human race has not been exposed to in tens of thousands of years....

[SDHornet]

Yes...


...oh and in the meantime we are on track to have the wettest year on record. So much for those perpetual drought predictions by the global warming advocates.

What about the Arctic? The temp variation in the continental US has only been a few %% points. Last I heard in the North Arctic, it's 11 degrees.....The Arctic is the most sensitive and they say with in a few years polar bears will be extinct..... No more polar ice on the oceans...Just what does everyone think the ramifications of that will be in conjunction with the south Arctic?

Also, there is some concern about just what will be freed into the atmosphere besides carbon monoxide when the tundra thaws....Stuff that the human race has not been exposed to in tens of thousands of years....

And given all that, Cali was suppose to be in perpetual drought for the foreseeable future...whoops.

[VictorG]

But the Arctic actually happened and is happening....no dening that !!!! No hype but FACT! No guessing no hypothesis no what if..................whoops