Trump's Budgetary Hocus-Pocus

[Ivytalk]

Increase military spending by 10%? Check.

Trillion-dollar entitlements project? Check.

Massive tax cuts? Check.

Don't touch a dollar of any entitlement? Except maybe Obamacare? Check.

I'm amazed this guy had only four bankruptcies. The political naïveté is amazing.

The days of the thinking behind Gramm-Rudman-Hollings are long behind us.

Budget hawks are extinct.

[kalm]

Increase military spending by 10%? Check.

Trillion-dollar entitlements project? Check.

Massive tax cuts? Check.

Don't touch a dollar of any entitlement? Except maybe Obamacare? Check.

I'm amazed this guy had only four bankruptcies. The political naïveté is amazing.

The days of the thinking behind Gramm-Rudman-Hollings are long behind us.

Budget hawks are extinct.

You must have missed the last 5 Republican administrations...

[Ivytalk]

Increase military spending by 10%? Check.

Trillion-dollar entitlements project? Check.

Massive tax cuts? Check.

Don't touch a dollar of any entitlement? Except maybe Obamacare? Check.

I'm amazed this guy had only four bankruptcies. The political naïveté is amazing.

The days of the thinking behind Gramm-Rudman-Hollings are long behind us.

Budget hawks are extinct.

You must have missed the last 5 Republican administrations...

The Clouser green minnow never fails.

[kalm]

You must have missed the last 5 Republican administrations...

The Clouser green minnow never fails.

I've been known to fish a Clouser from time to time...

[Ivytalk]

The Clouser green minnow never fails.

I've been known to fish a Clouser from time to time...

And they're very reliable!

Tried a few woolly buggers (no homo) to catch dback, but no luck!

[Chizzang]

Increase spending and cut taxes...
I don't see the problem

Explain it to me slower

[Ivytalk]

Increase spending and cut taxes...
I don't see the problem

Explain it to me slower

Cut both bigly, but cut spending much faster.

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[CitadelGrad]

Increase spending and cut taxes...
I don't see the problem

Explain it to me slower

Give Arthur Laffer a call. I'm sure he'd be happy to walk you through it.

[Chizzang]

Increase spending and cut taxes...
I don't see the problem

Explain it to me slower

Give Arthur Laffer a call. I'm sure he'd be happy to walk you through it.

He's the guy who fathered Trickle Down Economics right..?
Also now referred to as Junk Economics by everybody but Trump

[Ibanez]

Increase spending and cut taxes...
I don't see the problem

Explain it to me slower

Give Arthur Laffer a call. I'm sure he'd be happy to walk you through it.

The US economy has never been in better shape.

[CID1990]

Budget hawks are extinct.

I said something to this effect a couple weeks ago-

Where the hell is Ryan and the rest of the "we are heading off the cliff" assholes?

SMFH



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[Brock Landers]

Increase military spending by 10%? Check.

Trillion-dollar entitlements project? Check.

Massive tax cuts? Check.

Don't touch a dollar of any entitlement? Except maybe Obamacare? Check.

I'm amazed this guy had only four bankruptcies. The political naïveté is amazing.

The days of the thinking behind Gramm-Rudman-Hollings are long behind us.

Budget hawks are extinct.

"Don't worry about it"

[Grizalltheway]

Budget hawks are extinct.

I said something to this effect a couple weeks ago-

Where the hell is Ryan and the rest of the "we are heading off the cliff" assholes?

SMFH



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They're busy eating a shit sandwich and smiling just like Trump told them to.

[Chizzang]

Budget hawks are extinct.

I said something to this effect a couple weeks ago-

Where the hell is Ryan and the rest of the "we are heading off the cliff" assholes?

SMFH

I'm only going to say this 1,000 more times over the next 4 years
Remember the part where Trump beat Hilary Clinton..?
Well he also beat the tar out of Paul Ryan and every other Republican

Trump beat BOTH parties

and now he will do whatever he damn well pleases
and Paul Ryan and the rest of them will suck up lick balls and lose their credibility
or shut up and get out of the way

[CID1990]

I said something to this effect a couple weeks ago-

Where the hell is Ryan and the rest of the "we are heading off the cliff" assholes?

SMFH

I'm only going to say this 1,000 more times over the next 4 years
Remember the part where Trump beat Hilary Clinton..?
Well he also beat the tar out of Paul Ryan and every other Republican

Trump beat BOTH parties

and now he will do whatever he damn well pleases
and Paul Ryan and the rest of them will suck up lick balls and lose their credibility
or shut up and get out of the way

I don't dispute that

But as someone who actually believes that we are a nation and not/not just one big game show starring Monty Haul...

Trump is going to be used to repudiate the message of fiscal conservatism for years to come... i.e.:

Bad = Trump

Trump = Republican

Republican = conservative

conservative = fiscal hawk

Therefore,

Fiscal hawk = Bad

2000 years from now somebody will write "The Rise and Fall of the American Experiment" (if people are still allowed to write cautionary tales in 2000 years... it will probably be ableist/racist/sexist)

It will collect dust on the bookshelf right alongside Gibbon....




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[Chizzang]

I'm only going to say this 1,000 more times over the next 4 years
Remember the part where Trump beat Hilary Clinton..?
Well he also beat the tar out of Paul Ryan and every other Republican

Trump beat BOTH parties

and now he will do whatever he damn well pleases
and Paul Ryan and the rest of them will suck up lick balls and lose their credibility
or shut up and get out of the way

I don't dispute that

But as someone who actually believes that we are a nation and not/not just one big game show starring Monty Haul...

Trump is going to be used to repudiate the message of fiscal conservatism for years to come... i.e.:

Bad = Trump

Trump = Republican

Republican = conservative

conservative = fiscal hawk

Therefore,

Fiscal hawk = Bad

2000 years from now somebody will write "The Rise and Fall of the American Experiment" (if people are still allowed to write cautionary tales in 2000 years... it will probably be ableist/racist/sexist)

It will collect dust on the bookshelf right alongside Gibbon....

On this ^ we completely agree

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

And you are both wrong...............

[JohnStOnge]

It's just that, like Health Care, nobody knew it could be so complicated.

[Skjellyfetti]

Hope it works out for you, Cid.

Also, cuts to security contractors at diplomatic facilities. BENGHAZI!!!!

The Trump administration is proposing a 37 percent spending cut for the State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), according to multiple reports.

U.S. officials say the suggested decrease would likely require laying off employees, including security contractors at diplomatic facilities overseas, The Associated Press said Tuesday.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... et-reports

[CID1990]

And you are both wrong...............

You don't think Trump is going to be a 50 year poster child for the left whenever conservatives say "we cannot afford this" when there's the annual offer to borrow money and then set it on fire?

What color is the sky on your planet?


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[JohnStOnge]

One of the admirable things about a true conservative is that such a true conservative will say that we have to do something about Medicare and Social Security. They will say that those two programs are not sustainable as they are and we have to do something serious to address the problem.

And now we have a President elected bearing the standard of the more "conservative" Party while saying he's not even going to look at that issue. The question is: Was that just another lie on his part?

[JohnStOnge]

I'm only going to say this 1,000 more times over the next 4 years
Remember the part where Trump beat Hilary Clinton..?
Well he also beat the tar out of Paul Ryan and every other Republican

Trump beat BOTH parties

and now he will do whatever he damn well pleases
and Paul Ryan and the rest of them will suck up lick balls and lose their credibility
or shut up and get out of the way

I think one needs to remember that Trump got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney did. I think Republicans are in a very difficult position. I think they've largely lost their credibility with the general population already by virtue of their decision to rally behind somebody like Trump.

What they've discovered is that they have a serious problem with their base.

[BDKJMU]

One of the admirable things about a true conservative is that such a true conservative will say that we have to do something about Medicare and Social Security. They will say that those two programs are not sustainable as they are and we have to do something serious to address the problem.

And now we have a President elected bearing the standard of the more "conservative" Party while saying he's not even going to look at that issue. The question is: Was that just another lie on his part?

Medicare yes, SS no. By law SS can't make the govt go broke, because by law, SS can't run a deficit.

2016 trustee report:
"...Over the program's 80-year history, it has collected roughly $19.0 trillion and paid out $16.1 trillion, leaving asset reserves of more than $2.8 trillion at the end of 2015 in its two trust funds.....

....After 2019, interest income and redemption of trust fund asset reserves from the General Fund of the Treasury will provide the resources needed to offset Social Security's annual deficits until 2034, when the reserves will be depleted. Thereafter, scheduled tax income is projected to be sufficient to pay about three-quarters of scheduled benefits through the end of the projection period in 2090....."

So people will get 3/4 of what they are currently scheduled to get.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/

[93henfan]

Hope it works out for you, Cid.

Also, cuts to security contractors at diplomatic facilities. BENGHAZI!!!!

The Trump administration is proposing a 37 percent spending cut for the State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), according to multiple reports.

U.S. officials say the suggested decrease would likely require laying off employees, including security contractors at diplomatic facilities overseas, The Associated Press said Tuesday.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... et-reports

Ivy will have to pay for the crabs this year, as CID and I will be unemployed, according to that article.

Only problem is, Mitch McConnell already went on the evening news tonight and said he won't support it. Booyah.

[BDKJMU]

I'm only going to say this 1,000 more times over the next 4 years
Remember the part where Trump beat Hilary Clinton..?
Well he also beat the tar out of Paul Ryan and every other Republican

Trump beat BOTH parties

and now he will do whatever he damn well pleases
and Paul Ryan and the rest of them will suck up lick balls and lose their credibility
or shut up and get out of the way

I think one needs to remember that Trump got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney did. I think Republicans are in a very difficult position. I think they've largely lost their credibility with the general population already by virtue of their decision to rally behind somebody like Trump.

What they've discovered is that they have a serious problem with their base.

So what. McCain got a lower percent of the vote than Trump did. As did Dole. As did both HW Bush and Clinton in 92'. In Of the elections I've been eligible to vote in, of the 14 conk/donk candidates, only 3 have exceeded 50% of the vote.
52.9% Obama 08'
51.1% Obama 12'
50.7% Bush 04'
49.2% Clinton 96'
48.4 Gore 00'
48.3% Kerry 04'
48% Clinton 16'
47.9 Bush 00'
47.2% Romney 12'
45.9% Trump 16'
45.7% McCain 08'
43% Clinton 92'
40.7% Dole 96'
37.5% Bush 92'