OK, but no offense 24 > 93.93henfan wrote:It's not a reserve tank. It's the same fuel cell. If the primary pickup sucks air, they can try a secondary pickup or shake the car. You can see Chase do a shake when he loses pickup for a split second with three to go. That lasted him another two laps, as he didn't run out until around turn two or the backstretch of the final lap. I guess you could think of it as a reserve tank, but there's only one fuel cell.
Landon the first not on the lead lap.93henfan wrote:Chase Elliott didn't run out of gas with three laps to go. He finished on the lead lap. I believe he sputtered on the back stretch on the final lap, as did Truex. They all finished on the lead lap though. Top 15 all finished 200 laps.89Hen wrote:Crappy announcing then by Fox. Maybe I missed it, but the only one they kept talking about having fuel issues was.... Kurt Busch.
In 155 career NASCAR races she has:SuperHornet wrote:Like that was her fault, Mark. She pointed in each of the first two stages (there were only a handful who pulled THAT off) and was looking to have AT LEAST a Top Ten finish when some numbnutz tried to go four wide and took out about 16 cars. She got trapped in there along with a ton of other drivers.
I'm STILL p!$$ed off about it....
93henfan wrote: Chase Elliott didn't run out of gas with three laps to go. He finished on the lead lap. I believe he sputtered on the back stretch on the final lap, as did Truex. They all finished on the lead lap though. Top 15 all finished 200 laps.
"...However, with three laps to go, the No. 24 Hendrick Motorsports Chevrolet ran out of gas as Martin Truex Jr. and the rest of the field flew by Elliott, as the back-to-back Daytona 500 pole sitter faded back to a 14th-place finish...."93henfan wrote:By the way, here's the finish. As you can see, Menard and Kahne were just fine on fuel. Not sure where BDK got that from. Maybe didn't watch the race? Cars that fell off were Larson, Truex, and Elliott and maybe a couple more:
It wasn't NOT her fault.SuperHornet wrote:Like that was her fault, Mark. She pointed in each of the first two stages (there were only a handful who pulled THAT off) and was looking to have AT LEAST a Top Ten finish when some numbnutz tried to go four wide and took out about 16 cars. She got trapped in there along with a ton of other drivers.
I'm STILL p!$$ed off about it....
clenz wrote:In 155 career NASCAR races she has:SuperHornet wrote:Like that was her fault, Mark. She pointed in each of the first two stages (there were only a handful who pulled THAT off) and was looking to have AT LEAST a Top Ten finish when some numbnutz tried to go four wide and took out about 16 cars. She got trapped in there along with a ton of other drivers.
I'm STILL p!$$ed off about it....
19 DNFs
51 top 20 finishes (only 32%)
led just 57 total laps
averaged a starting position of 24.1
averaged a finishing position of 25.56 (Yep...she finishes below where she started more than she finishes above)
Never finished better than 24th in the final standings
She's done all of that while being put in top 1% cars with some of the best crew in the sport while with Steward-Haas Racing. That kind of under-performance vs the amount of hype and advantages she's been given as a driver is...just...it's unbelievable she gets to keep a ride. She only gets to keep a ride because she is female and not ugly. That's it. It's all about marketing.
She is taking up a very coveted spot from some younger, up and comer, of a driver who has significantly more wheel talent than her but is stuck on slap dick 4th tier teams that get the hand me downs.
He's in the video you just posted, in 10th place, on the last lap, in turn 2 - as I already said. Lmfao, he didn't pit.BDKJMU wrote:93henfan wrote: Chase Elliott didn't run out of gas with three laps to go. He finished on the lead lap. I believe he sputtered on the back stretch on the final lap, as did Truex. They all finished on the lead lap though. Top 15 all finished 200 laps.Not sure where you're getting that Elliot didn't run out of gas with 2 1/2 or 3 laps to go. He came in and got a splash and was one of only 20 to finish on the lead lap (a # of whom also ran out). Maybe you didn't watch the race?93henfan wrote:By the way, here's the finish. As you can see, Menard and Kahne were just fine on fuel. Not sure where BDK got that from. Maybe didn't watch the race? Cars that fell off were Larson, Truex, and Elliott and maybe a couple more:
"...However, with three laps to go, the No. 24 Hendrick Motorsports Chevrolet ran out of gas as Martin Truex Jr. and the rest of the field flew by Elliott, as the back-to-back Daytona 500 pole sitter faded back to a 14th-place finish...."
http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/story/c ... ted-022617
"....fizzled when he sputtered off the pace just two and half laps from the finish.
"Out of gas," Elliott signaled over the radio as his blue-and-yellow Hendrick Motorsports No. 24 Chevrolet slowed toward the inside lane on the backstretch. Elliott was able to salvage a lead-lap finish in 14th.."
http://www.nascar.com/content/nascar/en ... -14th.html
SuperHornet wrote:clenz wrote: In 155 career NASCAR races she has:
19 DNFs
51 top 20 finishes (only 32%)
led just 57 total laps
averaged a starting position of 24.1
averaged a finishing position of 25.56 (Yep...she finishes below where she started more than she finishes above)
Never finished better than 24th in the final standings
She's done all of that while being put in top 1% cars with some of the best crew in the sport while with Steward-Haas Racing. That kind of under-performance vs the amount of hype and advantages she's been given as a driver is...just...it's unbelievable she gets to keep a ride. She only gets to keep a ride because she is female and not ugly. That's it. It's all about marketing.
She is taking up a very coveted spot from some younger, up and comer, of a driver who has significantly more wheel talent than her but is stuck on slap dick 4th tier teams that get the hand me downs.
Typical mysoginistic red herring. Why do we always hear this argument applied to DANICA, and not bottom-feeders like J.J. Yeley, who consistently starts in the 30s?!? And particularly given that the guy who actually won this year's Daytona led ONLY that last lap. SMH....
Typical Horney. Where is JJ Yeley now? Right where Danica should be. Driving Xfinity because he wasn't cutting it in the big circuit.Tell me, where is J.J. Yeley's massive deals with Stewart-Haas and marketing?SuperHornet wrote:clenz wrote: In 155 career NASCAR races she has:
19 DNFs
51 top 20 finishes (only 32%)
led just 57 total laps
averaged a starting position of 24.1
averaged a finishing position of 25.56 (Yep...she finishes below where she started more than she finishes above)
Never finished better than 24th in the final standings
She's done all of that while being put in top 1% cars with some of the best crew in the sport while with Steward-Haas Racing. That kind of under-performance vs the amount of hype and advantages she's been given as a driver is...just...it's unbelievable she gets to keep a ride. She only gets to keep a ride because she is female and not ugly. That's it. It's all about marketing.
She is taking up a very coveted spot from some younger, up and comer, of a driver who has significantly more wheel talent than her but is stuck on slap dick 4th tier teams that get the hand me downs.
Typical mysoginistic red herring. Why do we always hear this argument applied to DANICA, and not bottom-feeders like J.J. Yeley, who consistently starts in the 30s?!? And particularly given that the guy who actually won this year's Daytona led ONLY that last lap. SMH....
My bad- I was wrong on he didn't have to come in for a splash. . With all the media reporting that he ran out with 2 1/2 to 3 laps to go, + he fell back so far on that last lap for some reason I was thinking he had come in. Now watching the replay of the last lap, the last time you see Elliott anywhere close to the lead pack is entering turn 2, and he is fading. Elliot's name was flashed up on the screen in 14th about 30+ seconds after Busch crossed the finish line, the next to last car on the lead lap (only 15 finished on the lead lap, not 20 like I said earlier).93henfan wrote:He's in the video you just posted, in 10th place, on the last lap, in turn 2 - as I already said. Lmfao, he didn't pit.BDKJMU wrote:
Not sure where you're getting that Elliot didn't run out of gas with 2 1/2 or 3 laps to go. He came in and got a splash and was one of only 20 to finish on the lead lap (a # of whom also ran out). Maybe you didn't watch the race?
"...However, with three laps to go, the No. 24 Hendrick Motorsports Chevrolet ran out of gas as Martin Truex Jr. and the rest of the field flew by Elliott, as the back-to-back Daytona 500 pole sitter faded back to a 14th-place finish...."
http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/story/c ... ted-022617
"....fizzled when he sputtered off the pace just two and half laps from the finish.
"Out of gas," Elliott signaled over the radio as his blue-and-yellow Hendrick Motorsports No. 24 Chevrolet slowed toward the inside lane on the backstretch. Elliott was able to salvage a lead-lap finish in 14th.."
http://www.nascar.com/content/nascar/en ... -14th.html
If a woman can do it with the men it isn't a sport93henfan wrote:Not sure if serious or making bad joke?CID1990 wrote:How the hell do you run out of gas?
Soccer moms run out of gas
Just another piece of evidence that NASCAR is a pussy sport... if it was a sport, but it isn't
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I saw this George Carlin bit. It was funny when he did it.CID1990 wrote:If a woman can do it with the men it isn't a sport93henfan wrote:
Not sure if serious or making bad joke?
Football : sport
Basketball: sport
Golf: not a sport
Bowling: not a sport
NASCAR: not a sport
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You mean the reserve tank?93henfan wrote:What happened was his primary fuel pickup sputtered with three laps to go. He went to the inside and shook the car, got fuel either from the shake or switching to the emergency pickup that 89 mentioned earlier, and never lost the draft. Then going into the backstretch on the last lap it's clear he completely ran out, along with Larson and Truex.
Danica has shown that she can't do it with the men.CID1990 wrote:If a woman can do it with the men it isn't a sport93henfan wrote:
Not sure if serious or making bad joke?
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Baldy wrote:Danica has shown that she can't do it with the men.CID1990 wrote:
If a woman can do it with the men it isn't a sport
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Basketball: sport
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Bowling: not a sport
NASCAR: not a sport
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You can put the worlds best female golfer in a PGA tournament and she will miss the cut 19.99 out of 20 times.
Just like Danica they'd have they career of a Web.com tour player with little to no sponsorship money. Zero name recognition, paying their own way to play most of the year if they were male. However, any woman (especially those that are attractive) that commits to attempting to go that route full time will get far more chances and time than any male of similar skill. In terms of golf, the women can have all the accuracy and technical skill of any male golfer, without question. I'd argue Wie, Whaley and Sorenstam did/do. However, the physical strength to make up the distance is the issue. If a male can go driver and 8 iron into the green chances are the women would be going driver and 5 iron (give or take a club). It's MUCH harder to hit a 4-6 iron with constancy and shape than an 8 or 9 iron.http://golftips.golfsmith.com/lpga-wome ... 20647.html
While there is no rule against women playing in PGA Tour events, only a few have attempted the feat and, as of 2012, no female golfer has succeeded in finishing a men’s tour event. Several women in the early 21st century did make headlines by competing against the men, but the first to try it was Babe Didrikson Zaharaias in 1938.
Babe Zaharias
A tremendous all-round athlete, Babe Didrikson Zaharias was a basketball star, and won two gold medals in track and field at the 1932 Olympics. She then enjoyed a highly successful golf career, winning 55 tournaments. She also helped found the Ladies Professional Golf Association in 1949 and was later inducted into the World Golf Hall of Fame. She first qualified for a men’s professional golf tournament, the Los Angeles Open, in 1938. She played the event again in 1945, becoming the first woman to make the 36-hole cut in a men’s tour event. She did not make the tournament’s third-round cut, after shooting a 79.
Annika Sorenstam
Annika Sorenstam was one of the greatest golfers in LPGA history, winning 72 tournaments. In 2003, she was invited to play in the 2003 Colonial in Ft. Worth, Texas, receiving a sponsor’s exemption to the PGA Tour event. With a couple of exceptions she received a positive reaction from the male pros, and was greeted enthusiastically by fans on the course. Sorenstam shot a 1-over-par 71 in the first round, during which she tied for first in driving accuracy but was 84th in driving distance, averaging 269 yards. She shot 74 the second day and missed the cut. "I came here to test myself,” she said after the tournament. “I'm proud of the way I was focusing and proud of the decisions I made and that I stuck to them. And that's why I am here. I wanted to see if I could do it." Sorenstam received more invitations, but declined to compete in any more PGA Tour events.
Suzy Whaley
Club pro Suzy Whaley won the 2002 Connecticut Section PGA tournament, which qualified her to play in the men’s 2003 Greater Hartford Open. Whaley’s accomplishment was controversial because she played from the forward tees in the sectional. In effect, she played a 6,239-yard course while the men’s course was 6,938 yards long. The PGA of America later ruled that golfers must play from the back tees to qualify for tour events. But Whaley was permitted to play -- from the men’s tees -- in the Hartford event, where she shot 153 for two rounds and didn’t make the cut.
Michelle Wie
As a teenager, Michelle Wie was determined to compete with male golfers. She played in eight PGA Tour events between 2004 and 2008 but didn’t make any cuts. In her first try, at the 2004 Sony Open in Hawaii, the 14-year-old Wie shot even-par 140, including a second-round 68, the lowest score ever posted by a woman in a PGA Tour event. Wie also tried to qualify for the 2006 men’s U.S. Open, at age 16. She shot 68 in the first round of a qualifying tournament, but soared to a 75 in the second round for a 36-hole total of 143, five shots shy of reaching a playoff for one of the 18 available spots.
It's not that a woman can't/couldn't physically handle a NASCAR stock car though, right? It's more a skill issue with her? Not that it's physically easy to drive a car - it's not - but that isn't her issue.93henfan wrote:Women dominate certain NHRA drag racing events. Also, Danica was somewhat competitive in Indy. NASCAR cars are more demanding and she has shown she can't excel with them.
There is upper body strength involved in NASCAR above all other motorsports (other than maybe monster trucks - and there is a female who does very well in the Scooby truck in that sport, btw). Indy cars are less of a toll on the upper body because the events are shorter, timewise, and the steering exertion is less. Plus, you do not routinely make contact with other cars in open wheel racing. NASCARS are heavy, and you do wrestle with the wheel, particularly on non-superspeedways.clenz wrote:It's not that a woman can't/couldn't physically handle a NASCAR stock car though, right? It's more a skill issue with her? Not that it's physically easy to drive a car - it's not - but that isn't her issue.93henfan wrote:Women dominate certain NHRA drag racing events. Also, Danica was somewhat competitive in Indy. NASCAR cars are more demanding and she has shown she can't excel with them.
That's true. She is very small physically at 5'2 and less than 100 lbs. The average NASCAR driver is something like 5'10-5'11 and 180ish lbs, is it not? That's a pretty big difference, even is just base muscle strength endurance.93henfan wrote:There is upper body strength involved in NASCAR above all other motorsports (other than maybe monster trucks - and there is a female who does very well in the Scooby truck in that sport, btw). Indy cars are less of a toll on the upper body because the events are shorter, timewise, and the steering exertion is less. Plus, you do not routinely make contact with other cars in open wheel racing. NASCARS are heavy, and you do wrestle with the wheel, particularly on non-superspeedways.clenz wrote: It's not that a woman can't/couldn't physically handle a NASCAR stock car though, right? It's more a skill issue with her? Not that it's physically easy to drive a car - it's not - but that isn't her issue.
I do believe there is a physicality aspect that wears Danica out. Look how many times she wrecks late in races.
Ha Cha Chaclenz wrote:That's true. She is very small physically at 5'2 and less than 100 lbs. The average NASCAR driver is something like 5'10-5'11 and 180ish lbs, is it not? That's a pretty big difference, even is just base muscle strength endurance.93henfan wrote:
There is upper body strength involved in NASCAR above all other motorsports (other than maybe monster trucks - and there is a female who does very well in the Scooby truck in that sport, btw). Indy cars are less of a toll on the upper body because the events are shorter, timewise, and the steering exertion is less. Plus, you do not routinely make contact with other cars in open wheel racing. NASCARS are heavy, and you do wrestle with the wheel, particularly on non-superspeedways.
I do believe there is a physicality aspect that wears Danica out. Look how many times she wrecks late in races.
She's a spinner.CAA Flagship wrote:Ha Cha Chaclenz wrote:That's true. She is very small physically at 5'2 and less than 100 lbs. The average NASCAR driver is something like 5'10-5'11 and 180ish lbs, is it not? That's a pretty big difference, even is just base muscle strength endurance.
