Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?

[Chizzang]

We're going to rebuild the infrastructure
Increase defense spending
and lower taxes

Its a miracle really, if you do the math
I don't suggest doing the math

[Skjellyfetti]

Getting comedic.

Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul marched to the House side of the Capitol Thursday morning, knocked on a locked door and demanded to see a copy of the House's bill to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, which he believed was being kept under lock and key.

Aides in the room told the senator -- before dozens of reporters in a crowded hallway -- that there was no bill to see. In fact, it wasn't the room where GOP members of the Energy and Commerce Committee were told to meet with staff to review the current draft of their bill at all. But that did little to dissuade Paul, openly critical to the House Republican leadership's preferred path on the process, from making his underlying point.
"This should be an open and transparent process," Paul said. "This is being presented as if it were a national secret, as if this was a plot to invade another country, as if this were national security. That's wrong."
Paul ventured to the House Thursday afternoon after reports surfaced that House Republicans on the Energy and Commerce Committee were being granted an opportunity to review the current draft of the Obamacare repeal legislation and ask questions behind closed doors.

Opposed to the House legislation's principles, Paul said he wanted to see the bill himself even though he didn't serve on the committee.

"I'm not allowed to read the working product so I can comment on it?" he said.

Outside the small House office, the chaotic scene continued with a handful of Democrats demanding they, too, see the legislation, which aides continued to say was not even in the room. Two Democrats on the Energy and Commerce Committee and House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, a Democrat from Maryland, asked aides if the bill was ready, only to be rebuffed.

"I want to see the bill. I want to read the bill," New York Democrat Paul Tonko said, noting that as far as he knew, Republicans were still planning to move forward with a markup on the legislation next week.
At one point, the GOP staff allowed Hoyer, Rep. Joe Kennedy and a dozen or so reporters into the room to inspect it themselves. It was, in fact, bill-less.

Hoyer proceeded to hold an impromptu news conference near a bust of President Abraham Lincoln a few feet away from the misidentified room. He then held an imaginary conversation with the 16th president about what Hoyer said was the poor state of the Republican Party.

Rep. Greg Walden, the chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, downplayed perceptions of secrecy in a statement Thursday.

"Reports that the Energy and Commerce Committee is doing anything other than the regular process of keeping its members up to speed on latest developments in its jurisdictions are false. Simply put, Energy and Commerce majority members and staff are continuing to discuss and refine draft legislative language on issues under our committee's jurisdiction."

Leadership has taken a new level of caution with Obamacare repeal and replace reconciliation drafts after a leaked version of the bill in progress was circulated to news outlets last week.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/politics/ ... peal-bill/

[CID1990]

They said something to the effect that he'd have to approve of it before he could see what was in it, or something.


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[kalm]

Getting comedic.

Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul marched to the House side of the Capitol Thursday morning, knocked on a locked door and demanded to see a copy of the House's bill to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, which he believed was being kept under lock and key.

Aides in the room told the senator -- before dozens of reporters in a crowded hallway -- that there was no bill to see. In fact, it wasn't the room where GOP members of the Energy and Commerce Committee were told to meet with staff to review the current draft of their bill at all. But that did little to dissuade Paul, openly critical to the House Republican leadership's preferred path on the process, from making his underlying point.
"This should be an open and transparent process," Paul said. "This is being presented as if it were a national secret, as if this was a plot to invade another country, as if this were national security. That's wrong."
Paul ventured to the House Thursday afternoon after reports surfaced that House Republicans on the Energy and Commerce Committee were being granted an opportunity to review the current draft of the Obamacare repeal legislation and ask questions behind closed doors.

Opposed to the House legislation's principles, Paul said he wanted to see the bill himself even though he didn't serve on the committee.

"I'm not allowed to read the working product so I can comment on it?" he said.

Outside the small House office, the chaotic scene continued with a handful of Democrats demanding they, too, see the legislation, which aides continued to say was not even in the room. Two Democrats on the Energy and Commerce Committee and House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, a Democrat from Maryland, asked aides if the bill was ready, only to be rebuffed.

"I want to see the bill. I want to read the bill," New York Democrat Paul Tonko said, noting that as far as he knew, Republicans were still planning to move forward with a markup on the legislation next week.
At one point, the GOP staff allowed Hoyer, Rep. Joe Kennedy and a dozen or so reporters into the room to inspect it themselves. It was, in fact, bill-less.

Hoyer proceeded to hold an impromptu news conference near a bust of President Abraham Lincoln a few feet away from the misidentified room. He then held an imaginary conversation with the 16th president about what Hoyer said was the poor state of the Republican Party.

Rep. Greg Walden, the chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, downplayed perceptions of secrecy in a statement Thursday.

"Reports that the Energy and Commerce Committee is doing anything other than the regular process of keeping its members up to speed on latest developments in its jurisdictions are false. Simply put, Energy and Commerce majority members and staff are continuing to discuss and refine draft legislative language on issues under our committee's jurisdiction."

Leadership has taken a new level of caution with Obamacare repeal and replace reconciliation drafts after a leaked version of the bill in progress was circulated to news outlets last week.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/politics/ ... peal-bill/

It wasn't in the room. Maybe they ran out of quills?

[Chizzang]

They said something to the effect that he'd have to approve of it before he could see what was in it, or something.

That ^ would imply that they have something actually written down... somewhere
But they don't seem to be able to produce anything in actual "print form"

[Skjellyfetti]

Conservatives jumping ship on this bill pretty quick. Calling it "RinoCare" and "Obamacare lite"

I don't think they pass anything before the midterms.

[CID1990]

Like I said before

The time to slay this dragon has long passed

The original Obamacare was brilliant, really- it didn't have to work, it didn't have to be affordable

It only had to be.

Time to start throwing on large, expensive bandaids. This "bill" will be the first of many

Get ready for a DMV experience at your local clinic


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[bluehenbillk]

As I thought, I'm underwhelmed at the new version of Obamacare. Actually as bad as it may be for some people, I would have probably been happier at the outright repeal of it & the announcement (which would be the truth), that it was a stupid idea for the Federal government to run health care & that they were now correcting that wrong.

Healthcare is more broken now at all levels than it was before this stupid bill passed years ago.

[BDKJMU]

Conks didn't have a problem passing a full repeal bill by both houses (Sentate using reconcilliation) and sending to the Presidents desk Jan 2016. So they shouln't have a problem doing the same thing now..

[Pwns]

This schit is not smart governance or smart politics by the GOP.

Obamacare just provided more revenue streams (tax payers and young and healthy policy holders) to feed the health care leviathan.

Not point in cutting those streams off. Bring costs down and get rid of waste and fraud in the system and kill the leviathan.

[Gil Dobie]

They are calling it Obamacare Lite on CNN

[Grizalltheway]

Conks didn't have a problem passing a full repeal bill by both houses (Sentate using reconcilliation) and sending to the Presidents desk Jan 2016. So they shouln't have a problem doing the same thing now..

No shit, Sherlock? The point of contention is with the "replace" portion of it.

[Ibanez]

Conks didn't have a problem passing a full repeal bill by both houses (Sentate using reconcilliation) and sending to the Presidents desk Jan 2016. So they shouln't have a problem doing the same thing now..

No shit, Sherlock? The point of contention is with the "replace" portion of it.

Forget it dude, he's on a roll.

[CAA Flagship]

No shit, Sherlock? The point of contention is with the "replace" portion of it.

Forget it dude, he's on a roll.

Germans?

[Ibanez]

Forget it dude, he's on a roll.

Germans?

Kaiser


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[kalm]

Like I said before

The time to slay this dragon has long passed

The original Obamacare was brilliant, really- it didn't have to work, it didn't have to be affordable

It only had to be.

Time to start throwing on large, expensive bandaids. This "bill" will be the first of many

Get ready for a DMV experience at your local clinic


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That's how it's been here for quite awhile.

[CID1990]

Like I said before

The time to slay this dragon has long passed

The original Obamacare was brilliant, really- it didn't have to work, it didn't have to be affordable

It only had to be.

Time to start throwing on large, expensive bandaids. This "bill" will be the first of many

Get ready for a DMV experience at your local clinic


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That's how it's been here for quite awhile.

I've actually gone for care in countries with socialized medicine - places where they've had it for a long time-

You ain't seen nothing yet


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[kalm]

That's how it's been here for quite awhile.

I've actually gone for care in countries with socialized medicine - places where they've had it for a long time-

You ain't seen nothing yet


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I'm not denying you have, but I've had to deal with a shit ton of doctors and insurance billing over the last year and it's rarely better than the DMV and often worse.

[CID1990]

I've actually gone for care in countries with socialized medicine - places where they've had it for a long time-

You ain't seen nothing yet


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I'm not denying you have, but I've had to deal with a **** ton of doctors and insurance billing over the last year and it's rarely better than the DMV and often worse.

Who are you kidding? Your DMV is in a state run by hippies. I'll bet your DMV has Starbucks


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[SDHornet]

This schit is not smart governance or smart politics by the GOP.

Obamacare just provided more revenue streams (tax payers and young and healthy policy holders) to feed the health care leviathan.

Not point in cutting those streams off. Bring costs down and get rid of waste and fraud in the system and kill the leviathan.

This.

Conks shat the bed with this, now no matter what they replace it with they now own the disastrous Fed entitlement program. Epic fail.

Conks.

[BDKJMU]

No ****, Sherlock? The point of contention is with the "replace" portion of it.

No shit. But that shouldn't be a point of contention. They shouldn't be trying to do both at once. Should do the repeal 1st, which was the original plan. Then after that do the replace.

[HI54UNI]

No ****, Sherlock? The point of contention is with the "replace" portion of it.

No shit. But that shouldn't be a point of contention. They shouldn't be trying to do both at once. Should do the repeal 1st, which was the original plan. Then after that do the replace.

Ditch and Ryan are scared that the mean media will show pictures of them pushing grandma off a cliff.

Fucking cowards.

[Aho Old Guy]

This schit is not smart governance or smart politics by the GOP.

Obamacare just provided more revenue streams (tax payers and young and healthy policy holders) to feed the health care leviathan.

Not point in cutting those streams off. Bring costs down and get rid of waste and fraud in the system and kill the leviathan.

This -- with big qualifiers.

BigHealthCo would prefer protecting only "FIT" policy holders. Bottom line, donchaknow.

Example: Aetna overall profits in the last two years have exceeded $9 billion but "OBAMACARE POLICY HOLDERS HAVE COST US $490m! over the same period ..." So. The arse-clowns at Aetna pull out of the Marketplace using this as a lame excuse ...

Holding firm on their threats to withdraw from the Marketplace when the Obama Administration denied their merger for anti-trust reasons in the Summer of 2016

BUT, among the biggest Rightie Denials on ObamaCare (thus far) is their failure to recognize: 1) In the short-term ObamaCare extended Medicare solvency over ten years; and 2) In the long-term ObamaCare cut the 75-year actuarial imbalance of Medicare over 25%, reducing it from $122+ trillion to $90 trillion.

AND, before you math-challenged Rightie lunk-heads get your panties in a bunch over "OMG! Trillions!!" . . . over the next 75 years, the cumulative GDP of the United States of America will exceed $4,000 trillion. At 2% annual growth.

[Ibanez]

No ****, Sherlock? The point of contention is with the "replace" portion of it.

No shit. But that shouldn't be a point of contention. They shouldn't be trying to do both at once. Should do the repeal 1st, which was the original plan. Then after that do the replace.

The replace would never happen.

[kalm]

This schit is not smart governance or smart politics by the GOP.

Obamacare just provided more revenue streams (tax payers and young and healthy policy holders) to feed the health care leviathan.

Not point in cutting those streams off. Bring costs down and get rid of waste and fraud in the system and kill the leviathan.

This -- with big qualifiers.

BigHealthCo would prefer protecting only "FIT" policy holders. Bottom line, donchaknow.

Example: Aetna overall profits in the last two years have exceeded $9 billion but "OBAMACARE POLICY HOLDERS HAVE COST US $490m! over the same period ..." So. The arse-clowns at Aetna pull out of the Marketplace using this as a lame excuse ...

Holding firm on their threats to withdraw from the Marketplace when the Obama Administration denied their merger for anti-trust reasons in the Summer of 2016

BUT, among the biggest Rightie Denials on ObamaCare (thus far) is their failure to recognize: 1) In the short-term ObamaCare extended Medicare solvency over ten years; and 2) In the long-term ObamaCare cut the 75-year actuarial imbalance of Medicare over 25%, reducing it from $122+ trillion to $90 trillion.

AND, before you math-challenged Rightie lunk-heads get your panties in a bunch over "OMG! Trillions!!" . . . over the next 75 years, the cumulative GDP of the United States of America will exceed $4,000 trillion. At 2% annual growth.

So they only want to sell low-zero risk insurance?

Makes perfect sense.