Find the Democrat...

[kalm]

Here's my obligatory "they all do it":

This time it was the GOP

Let's not pretend they're the only ones who vote in lockstep for bad ideas

There really is no such thing as a true conservative or true liberal on the hill anymore

I used to be against term limits but now I'm warming to the idea

Without question...
I'm forced to listen to Liberals explain about poor Islam and the Muslim plight

Yeah...it must be rough dealing with all those pussy liberals who question the killing of innocent children in your name for the primary sake of energy stability.

How dare they!

[JohnStOnge]

I think it's a shame ISPs want to do this but when you come right down to it if someone is offering a service they should be able to say that if you want to be able to buy their service you have to agree to certain conditions.

At the same time I don't think this is going to help the Republican Party politically.

John,
You're missing a FUNDAMENTAL point...
Broadband access ceased to be a "Service" when we all paid to build the infrastructure
It is now a public utility as THE PUBLIC paid to build it

Uber is a service
Netflix is a service

Access to water / Access to Electricity / Etc...
and now Broadband

are publicly built and publicly maintained through TAX DOLLARS
Effectively WE the People own them

In my area I was not under the impression that the infrastructure was built with tax dollars. I was under the impression that Eatel built the fiber optic network, laid the fiber optic lines, etc. And it's not a complete monopoly in my area. You have the option of either choosing the Eatel fiber optic system or the Cox cable system (my impression is Cox also built it's infrastructure).

But I do agree that there is a good argument for saying that we have reached the point where it should be considered a utility like water or electricity.

[kalm]

John,
You're missing a FUNDAMENTAL point...
Broadband access ceased to be a "Service" when we all paid to build the infrastructure
It is now a public utility as THE PUBLIC paid to build it

Uber is a service
Netflix is a service

Access to water / Access to Electricity / Etc...
and now Broadband

are publicly built and publicly maintained through TAX DOLLARS
Effectively WE the People own them

In my area I was not under the impression that the infrastructure was built with tax dollars. I was under the impression that Eatel built the fiber optic network, laid the fiber optic lines, etc. And it's not a complete monopoly in my area. You have the option of either choosing the Eatel fiber optic system or the Cox cable system (my impression is Cox also built it's infrastructure).

But I do agree that there is a good argument for saying that we have reached the point where it should be considered a utility like water or electricity.

It wasn't until my mid 30's that I was introduced to the term "the commons". Sometimes, we really suck at history and civics.

[JohnStOnge]

In my area I was not under the impression that the infrastructure was built with tax dollars. I was under the impression that Eatel built the fiber optic network, laid the fiber optic lines, etc. And it's not a complete monopoly in my area. You have the option of either choosing the Eatel fiber optic system or the Cox cable system (my impression is Cox also built it's infrastructure).

But I do agree that there is a good argument for saying that we have reached the point where it should be considered a utility like water or electricity.

It wasn't until my mid 30's that I was introduced to the term "the commons". Sometimes, we really suck at history and civics.

I hadn't heard of the terminology until you typed it and I'm a lot older than my 30s. However, after Googling it some it looks like there is plenty of grey area and I'm not sure that something like broadband internet service if part of it.

[houndawg]

The only true conservatives, Paul and Amash, are of course not on the list

They would have been had their votes been needed.

[houndawg]

Huh?

The vote was on party lines, not on who received money from the communications folks.

The average amount given to Republicans who voted yes is $137,908 over their careers. The average amount given to Democrats who voted no is $131,788. There is not a correlation on money.

https://www.opensecrets.org/datasets/ho ... orrelation

So you're saying this was a vote for less government intrusion by the party of small government?

[CID1990]

The only true conservatives, Paul and Amash, are of course not on the list

They would have been had their votes been needed.

VERY doubtful given their records.

And more high profile and recent legislative activity suggests that neither of them are inclined to go with the Trumpy bloc, which could be more damaging to them


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[89Hen]

To be fair, it was "I didn't write it, I'm just posting it" Cleetus that started this. He took over from Travis a long time ago with carpet bombing with political articles with very little thought.

Instead of being embarrassed for these Republican Politicians you're doing what exactly..?
You're apologizing for them with excuses (it's called apologetics, Catholics have mastered this)

Honestly
I hope you're not suggesting that lobby money had NOTHING to do with the outcome..?



and I also hope you're not suggesting that these politicians voted on this simply because they were told to so
Because it sounds like that's what you're suggesting

The result of the POTUS election has made intelligent people become complete idiots. You're one of them Cleets. No apologies, simply saying your smear tactics don't work on everyone. You're too smart to be doing this and it's really sad to see.

[89Hen]

The vote was on party lines, not on who received money from the communications folks.

The average amount given to Republicans who voted yes is $137,908 over their careers. The average amount given to Democrats who voted no is $131,788. There is not a correlation on money.

https://www.opensecrets.org/datasets/ho ... orrelation

So you're saying this was a vote for less government intrusion by the party of small government?

Keep trying to read something into my post that isn't there. All I'm saying is the vote was on party lines and not on who got money from the communications lobby. They ALL get money pretty equally from this group and there is no correlation between the money and the vote.

[kalm]

So you're saying this was a vote for less government intrusion by the party of small government?

Keep trying to read something into my post that isn't there. All I'm saying is the vote was on party lines and not on who got money from the communications lobby. They ALL get money pretty equally from this group and there is no correlation between the money and the vote.

Sure. But there's still a strong correlation between money and getting the desired outcome which is really what matters.

[Chizzang]

Instead of being embarrassed for these Republican Politicians you're doing what exactly..?
You're apologizing for them with excuses (it's called apologetics, Catholics have mastered this)

Honestly
I hope you're not suggesting that lobby money had NOTHING to do with the outcome..?



and I also hope you're not suggesting that these politicians voted on this simply because they were told to so
Because it sounds like that's what you're suggesting

The result of the POTUS election has made intelligent people become complete idiots. You're one of them Cleets. No apologies, simply saying your smear tactics don't work on everyone. You're too smart to be doing this and it's really sad to see.

You know this has been my pet issue forever...
Like you pretending Religion plays no part in your decisions regarding abortion
we've all got issues

The hi-jacking of the American Broadband Infrastructure is my dead baby

[89Hen]

Keep trying to read something into my post that isn't there. All I'm saying is the vote was on party lines and not on who got money from the communications lobby. They ALL get money pretty equally from this group and there is no correlation between the money and the vote.

Sure. But there's still a strong correlation between money and getting the desired outcome which is really what matters.

No, there's not. The no votes got the same money. Surely you're not saying they paid for those no vote too.

[89Hen]

The result of the POTUS election has made intelligent people become complete idiots. You're one of them Cleets. No apologies, simply saying your smear tactics don't work on everyone. You're too smart to be doing this and it's really sad to see.

You know this has been my pet issue forever...
Like you pretending Religion plays no part in your decisions regarding abortion
we've all got issues

The hi-jacking of the American Broadband Infrastructure is my dead baby

Then you need to get over it because my religion has ZERO point ZERO to do with my position on abortion. I'm pro birth control Cleets. I'm also in favor of married priests. I think for myself on each issue. Some are in line with my church's beliefs, some aren't.

[Chizzang]

You know this has been my pet issue forever...
Like you pretending Religion plays no part in your decisions regarding abortion
we've all got issues

The hi-jacking of the American Broadband Infrastructure is my dead baby

Then you need to get over it because my religion has ZERO point ZERO to do with my position on abortion. I'm pro birth control Cleets. I'm also in favor of married priests. I think for myself on each issue. Some are in line with my church's beliefs, some aren't.

and so...
you are then suggesting that lobby money had NOTHING to do with the outcome

[89Hen]

and so...
you are then suggesting that lobby money had NOTHING to do with the outcome

The lobby paid the same amount to the yeas and the nays. Explain how they paid for the vote.

And I'm not sure what you don't believe, but you're certainly entitled to your OPINION.

[Ibanez]

Then you need to get over it because my religion has ZERO point ZERO to do with my position on abortion. I'm pro birth control Cleets. I'm also in favor of married priests. I think for myself on each issue. Some are in line with my church's beliefs, some aren't.

and so...
you are then suggesting that lobby money had NOTHING to do with the outcome

Clitz, you clearly are ignoring the money given to Democrats by the same lobby.

[Chizzang]

Then tell me...
Explain why they voted the way they did in clear terms

[89Hen]

Then tell me...
Explain why they voted the way they did in clear terms

Because they voted on party lines. They are lemmings, we're not disputing that.

[Chizzang]

Then tell me...
Explain why they voted the way they did in clear terms

Because they voted on party lines. They are lemmings, we're not disputing that.

oh... I see
and who exactly orchestrated this mass lemming migration..?

[89Hen]

Because they voted on party lines. They are lemmings, we're not disputing that.

oh... I see
and who exactly orchestrated this mass lemming migration..?

Your smugness has made this pointless.

[Chizzang]

oh... I see
and who exactly orchestrated this mass lemming migration..?

Your smugness has made this pointless.

I'm just curious...
You are also acting like YOU KNOW
So tell me who orchestrated the lemming vote migration..?

What's the most logical answer to that question
See: Occam's razor

[kalm]

Sure. But there's still a strong correlation between money and getting the desired outcome which is really what matters.

No, there's not. The no votes got the same money. Surely you're not saying they paid for those no vote too.

They can't hedge their bets? They don't play both sides?

They spent x amount of money and got it passed. Many corporations are apolitical. Political outcomes follow donations far more than they follow the desire of the voters. This is old news and I'm surprised anyone is still willing to argue it.

[Chizzang]

No, there's not. The no votes got the same money. Surely you're not saying they paid for those no vote too.

They can't hedge their bets? They don't play both sides?

They spent x amount of money and got it passed. Many corporations are apolitical. Political outcomes follow donations far more than they follow the desire of the voters. This is old news and I'm surprised anyone is still willing to argue it.

Apparently it's something else entirely but can't be explained clearly or in one post
and we're assholes for even bring it up



worse yet... Smug assholes

[89Hen]

Your smugness has made this pointless.

I'm just curious...
You are also acting like YOU KNOW
So tell me who orchestrated the lemming vote migration..?

What's the most logical answer to that question
See: Occam's razor

They orchestrated it themselves. YOU posted, "find the democrat"... we found them, on the same list. You were just too lazy to actually read the article and maybe click one or two more levels down to see they accepted the same money. The fact that they voted against doesn't mean they have higher standards. Just find an issue where Dems all voted yea on a measure and I'm sure you could do this just in reverse. I do not apologize for the R's or the D's, just pointing out that the money had nothing to do with this. If the R's had received a bunch of money that the D's didn't, you might have a point. But that's not the case.

[Chizzang]

I'm just curious...
You are also acting like YOU KNOW
So tell me who orchestrated the lemming vote migration..?

What's the most logical answer to that question
See: Occam's razor

They orchestrated it themselves. YOU posted, "find the democrat"... we found them, on the same list. You were just too lazy to actually read the article and maybe click one or two more levels down to see they accepted the same money. The fact that they voted against doesn't mean they have higher standards. Just find an issue where Dems all voted yea on a measure and I'm sure you could do this just in reverse. I do not apologize for the R's or the D's, just pointing out that the money had nothing to do with this. If the R's had received a bunch of money that the D's didn't, you might have a point. But that's not the case.

Okay...
So all the Republicans got together collectively of their own volition
and agreed to vote the same on this because it seems like good legislation



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