Executive Order: Hire American Buy American...

[JohnStOnge]

I'm guessing that somewhere in here you guys talk about how he's all for the types of Visas that allow HOTELS to hire cheap foreign labor.

[UNI88]

Michio Kaku.

I don't know if university faculty are H1B workers, but I can promise that a lot of departments of engineering and science would have to shut down without hiring pipelines to China and other countries. I am quite sure there are private-sector jobs out there requiring science and engineering doctorates that are difficult to fill with Americans.

I hope Trump does not go overboard with this. This is one issue where the nativist Republicans and the progressive left join together to say "they terk urr gerbs". A lot of undeserved hate for the program.

Again...these are symptoms.

The greatest nation on earth should be able to provide its own engineers.

True but considering Cid's post, Talent is one of the few areas where it is better to import more than you export.

[Skjellyfetti]

True but considering Cid's post, Talent is one of the few areas where it is better to import more than you export.

Which is why nobody is arguing H1Bs should be eliminated altogether.

[houndawg]

This.

Can't wait to see this reek havoc in the engineering industry. Lots of H1B's employed, and there damn well isn't a shortage of American engineers. This should will get interesting if this revision is done right.

Agree with both of you. When I talk with co-workers from India, Pakistan or where ever they are from. It's amazing how little they are paid when working in their native lands and how low the cost of living is. Contracting firms make great deals with corporations thru the low cost of employees from abroad. Many American's have come to work on a Monday morning, to find that they have to train a non-American contractor to do their job at a reduced rate. From what I've seen, there is no difference in productivity, just a difference in salary.

duh - they earned their engineering degrees at an American university.

[houndawg]

Michio Kaku.

I don't know if university faculty are H1B workers, but I can promise that a lot of departments of engineering and science would have to shut down without hiring pipelines to China and other countries. I am quite sure there are private-sector jobs out there requiring science and engineering doctorates that are difficult to fill with Americans.

I hope Trump does not go overboard with this. This is one issue where the nativist Republicans and the progressive left join together to say "they terk urr gerbs". A lot of undeserved hate for the program.

Again...these are symptoms.

The greatest nation on earth should be able to provide its own engineers.

We could but it costs more.

[Gil Dobie]

Agree with both of you. When I talk with co-workers from India, Pakistan or where ever they are from. It's amazing how little they are paid when working in their native lands and how low the cost of living is. Contracting firms make great deals with corporations thru the low cost of employees from abroad. Many American's have come to work on a Monday morning, to find that they have to train a non-American contractor to do their job at a reduced rate. From what I've seen, there is no difference in productivity, just a difference in salary.

duh - they earned their engineering degrees at an American university.

Yes, the majority that I've seen, the American's get degrees at American Universities and offshore get theirs in their offshore country.

[cx500d]

duh - they earned their engineering degrees at an American university.

Yes, the majority that I've seen, the American's get degrees at American Universities and offshore get theirs in their offshore country.

Stories abound about rampant cheating at foreign universities, and at us universities by foreign students brought up in the cheating culture.


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[houndawg]

Yes, the majority that I've seen, the American's get degrees at American Universities and offshore get theirs in their offshore country.

Stories abound about rampant cheating at foreign universities, and at us universities by foreign students brought up in the cheating culture.


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The biggest general difference I noticed in school was that generally the foreign students excelled at the theoretical end of Engineering but 95% of them were useless in the lab. I'm talking about EE students that can't hook up a rectifier in the right direction clueless. The locals generally weren't as good at math - probably because most of the Calculus and ODE classes were taught by non-native English speakers- but generally were much less of a hazard to themselves and equipment and others in the lab.

[Gil Dobie]

Yes, the majority that I've seen, the American's get degrees at American Universities and offshore get theirs in their offshore country.

Stories abound about rampant cheating at foreign universities, and at us universities by foreign students brought up in the cheating culture.


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I know from talking with my co-workers from offshore countries, they usually bring a bribe to get thru customs, when they go home for a visit, to get thru without a hitch.

[houndawg]

duh - they earned their engineering degrees at an American university.

Yes, the majority that I've seen, the American's get degrees at American Universities and offshore get theirs in their offshore country.

Where are all the ones I went to school with going?

[cx500d]

Stories abound about rampant cheating at foreign universities, and at us universities by foreign students brought up in the cheating culture.


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The biggest general difference I noticed in school was that generally the foreign students excelled at the theoretical end of Engineering but 95% of them were useless in the lab. I'm talking about EE students that can't hook up a rectifier in the right direction clueless. The locals generally weren't as good at math - probably because most of the Calculus and ODE classes were taught by non-native English speakers- but generally were much less of a hazard to themselves and equipment and others in the lab.

Maybe because they were cheating on the academic stuff they had no clue on the practical stuff


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[houndawg]

The biggest general difference I noticed in school was that generally the foreign students excelled at the theoretical end of Engineering but 95% of them were useless in the lab. I'm talking about EE students that can't hook up a rectifier in the right direction clueless. The locals generally weren't as good at math - probably because most of the Calculus and ODE classes were taught by non-native English speakers- but generally were much less of a hazard to themselves and equipment and others in the lab.

Maybe because they were cheating on the academic stuff they had no clue on the practical stuff


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maybe, they were known for "letting the smoke out" of lab equipment

[Gil Dobie]

Yes, the majority that I've seen, the American's get degrees at American Universities and offshore get theirs in their offshore country.

Where are all the ones I went to school with going?

They are probably working for companies that can afford them, just like American workers. Fortune 500 companies that I've worked at, appear to get them farm fresh from their native lands. There are some that you see that get American wages, they went to U.S. schools. The corporate goal of large companies is profit margin and bonus packages for executives. Hiring expensive workers is contrary to that goal. I currently work for a company you hear about every day.

[∞∞∞]

I'll say this, I've noticed American engineers being sought after for overseas corporations, especially in the Middle East and China. I'm not sure how much of a dent it creates in finding homegrown engineers for American jobs, but there's a lot of really good money to be made elsewhere right now in engineering. I'm only 3.5 years into the industry and don't even have a PE, but I'm seriously considering a job in Dubai right now. Six figures + free housing + car + stipend...the incentives are insane.

...the only issue is I REALLY hate the culture/gov't in the UAE (plus they confiscate your passport).

[Ibanez]

I'll say this, I've noticed American engineers being sought after for overseas corporations, especially in the Middle East and China. I'm not sure how much of a dent it creates in finding homegrown engineers for American jobs, but there's a lot of really good money to be made elsewhere right now in engineering. I'm only 3.5 years into the industry and don't even have a PE, but I'm seriously considering a job in Dubai right now. Six figures + free housing + car + stipend...the incentives are insane.

...the only issue is I REALLY hate the culture/gov't in the UAE (plus they confiscate your passport).

Sit back and think why are they offering such impressive incentives. I've found that companies that offer these incredible incentives to work in a place like Dubai are masking a problem AS well as having trouble hiring for that position.

When we used to hire techs to go over to Iraq, we had to sweeten the deal tremendously b/c it was difficult getting people to go over (or in most cases RETURN). I know a guy that's a mechanic and works in Haiti, for example. He makes around $150k, has a stipend and awesome insurance for working on helicopter engines. But he has to live in a small compound, is there 4 weeks straight (then 1 week at home), phone and internet isn't stable, they are flown from the airport to the compound b/c it's safer than travelling through the towns and once in the compound, you can't leave. Plus, there are groups that will fire guns at you randomly.

All that to live in a shit hole country like Haiti.

[Gil Dobie]

Yes, the majority that I've seen, the American's get degrees at American Universities and offshore get theirs in their offshore country.

Where are all the ones I went to school with going?

Had to laugh, my wife was talking about a co-worker the other day, does the same job as my wife and is from India, and went to college in the U.S.A. His green card states that he is here basically to do work that can't be found in America. He takes 2 hours in the morning to take his kids to school, then is hard to reach during the day, and takes 2 hours picking his kids up from school. He works less and gets paid more than a woman of equal job status. I think they should check his status, as this kind of worker can be found in America.

[Ibanez]

Where are all the ones I went to school with going?

Had to laugh, my wife was talking about a co-worker the other day, does the same job as my wife and is from India, and went to college in the U.S.A. His green card states that he is here basically to do work that can't be found in America. He takes 2 hours in the morning to take his kids to school, then is hard to reach during the day, and takes 2 hours picking his kids up from school. He works less and gets paid more than a woman of equal job status. I think they should check his status, as this kind of worker can be found in America.

What does your wife do?

[CID1990]

I'll say this, I've noticed American engineers being sought after for overseas corporations, especially in the Middle East and China. I'm not sure how much of a dent it creates in finding homegrown engineers for American jobs, but there's a lot of really good money to be made elsewhere right now in engineering. I'm only 3.5 years into the industry and don't even have a PE, but I'm seriously considering a job in Dubai right now. Six figures + free housing + car + stipend...the incentives are insane.

...the only issue is I REALLY hate the culture/gov't in the UAE (plus they confiscate your passport).

Be very careful with that.

I would work for and American or European company in the UAE but I wouldn't go near a UAE company.


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[Gil Dobie]

Had to laugh, my wife was talking about a co-worker the other day, does the same job as my wife and is from India, and went to college in the U.S.A. His green card states that he is here basically to do work that can't be found in America. He takes 2 hours in the morning to take his kids to school, then is hard to reach during the day, and takes 2 hours picking his kids up from school. He works less and gets paid more than a woman of equal job status. I think they should check his status, as this kind of worker can be found in America.

What does your wife do?

Manages servers for a large software company.

[Skjellyfetti]

His green card states that he is here basically to do work that can't be found in America.

Green Cards don't have these stipulations. It's permanent residence. You can work any job that would hire you. An employer sees you the same as a citizen when hiring.

Either you or your wife is confused on his visa status.

[Gil Dobie]

His green card states that he is here basically to do work that can't be found in America.

Green Cards don't have these stipulations. It's permanent residence. You can work any job that would hire you. An employer sees you the same as a citizen when hiring.

Either you or your wife is confused on his visa status.

The guy from India mentioned that his green card had to do with his job being related to workers that can't be found in America. Green card stipulations really have nothing to do with what is said to Green card holders and people applying for citizenship. His citizenship has been tied up for at least 6 years under the Obama administration, and now he's starting to get movement on it. My wife isn't confused, she may be getting confusing information from another person. She's also doing more work, bringing in millions for the company, and this guy is goofing off and getting more pay.

[Ibanez]

Green Cards don't have these stipulations. It's permanent residence. You can work any job that would hire you. An employer sees you the same as a citizen when hiring.

Either you or your wife is confused on his visa status.

The guy from India mentioned that his green card had to do with his job being related to workers that can't be found in America. Green card stipulations really have nothing to do with what is said to Green card holders and people applying for citizenship. His citizenship has been tied up for at least 6 years under the Obama administration, and now he's starting to get movement on it. My wife isn't confused, she may be getting confusing information from another person. She's also doing more work, bringing in millions for the company, and this guy is goofing off and getting more pay.

Sounds like a work visa.

[CID1990]

Green Cards don't have these stipulations. It's permanent residence. You can work any job that would hire you. An employer sees you the same as a citizen when hiring.

Either you or your wife is confused on his visa status.

The guy from India mentioned that his green card had to do with his job being related to workers that can't be found in America. Green card stipulations really have nothing to do with what is said to Green card holders and people applying for citizenship. His citizenship has been tied up for at least 6 years under the Obama administration, and now he's starting to get movement on it. My wife isn't confused, she may be getting confusing information from another person. She's also doing more work, bringing in millions for the company, and this guy is goofing off and getting more pay.

A lot of people don't understand the difference- what the dude from India was describing was the stipulations of his H visa (probably a H1B). Not surprising that he would be confused though- many H1B holders consider the visa a gateway to permanent residence (via an adjustment of status due to marriage) and eventual citizenship.

If he has a green card then he has already adjusted status and thinks that the same stipulations still apply, which they don't.