The worlds greatest negotiator...

[Chizzang]

Is that so..?
SALON has 130,000 subscribers, so basically we're talking a tiny fringe

and yes Trump is unprepared and bumbling
and destined to compromise because he doesn't know what he's doing
(isn't that obvious already)
He can't just loud talk his way around congress like he can with his supporters
He'd rather organize a rally - which he does frequently - than work with congress to get anything done

He has a scant and fleeting relationship with truth
so he's alienating himself from the people who would like to help him

He's painting himself into a corner
in 6 months he'll be completely neutered by his own actions
at which point he'll blame everybody else (to his supporters at another rally)

My point is that there's a significant narrative that it is the right's base that was hysterical in recent memory- willing to buy all kinds of crazy memes born out of ignorance, stupidity and lack of education

If the last 3-4 months have proven anything, it is these two things:

1. Trump the Campaigner is the same as Trump the President

and

2. The right doesn't have a moron monopoly

Well we can certainly agree on that ^

[JohnStOnge]

The one silver lining to Trump getting elected is that he backs off. His bark appears to be way greater than his bite. And we should be thankful for that because if he DID insist on all the nonsense he made a big deal of during the campaign it would be a disaster.

[Chizzang]

The one silver lining to Trump getting elected is that he backs off. His bark appears to be way greater than his bite. And we should be thankful for that because if he DID insist on all the nonsense he made a big deal of during the campaign it would be a disaster.

I predict he'll be completely ineffective...
He's distancing himself from the core conservatives in both the house and senate
because he lies about everything and they don't want that on them

The regular bought and sold Republicans are slowly backing away
because he's got too many hair brained boondoggles he want's to fund

He'll be left with nobody...
Even his Vice President won't back up the stuff he says

It'll be just him and his followers blaming everybody else

[CID1990]

The one silver lining to Trump getting elected is that he backs off. His bark appears to be way greater than his bite. And we should be thankful for that because if he DID insist on all the nonsense he made a big deal of during the campaign it would be a disaster.

And you are the number one Chicken Little of them all

Sad!

[houndawg]

So what is Trump?

Incompetent, unprepared, bumbling?

Compromiser?

Or Evil Genius?

Because Salon seems to give a lot of deference to his competence.... a guy who can't get what he claims to want in his first budget, his signature campaign promise unfounded, and yet...

He's going to destroy American democracy:

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/01/histori ... /#comments

The left is no different than the "Obama will usher in Sharia Law" right

The left and the right are caricatures of each other.

..unprepared and bumbling for sure as far as governing the country. More than prepared to hit the ground running from day one to line his pockets.

[CID1990]

So what is Trump?

Incompetent, unprepared, bumbling?

Compromiser?

Or Evil Genius?

Because Salon seems to give a lot of deference to his competence.... a guy who can't get what he claims to want in his first budget, his signature campaign promise unfounded, and yet...

He's going to destroy American democracy:

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/01/histori ... /#comments

The left is no different than the "Obama will usher in Sharia Law" right

The left and the right are caricatures of each other.

..unprepared and bumbling for sure as far as governing the country. More than prepared to hit the ground running from day one to line his pockets.

Whew!

So democracy is safe

(We've survived bumblers and pocket liners before)

[houndawg]

..unprepared and bumbling for sure as far as governing the country. More than prepared to hit the ground running from day one to line his pockets.

Whew!

So democracy is safe

(We've survived bumblers and pocket liners before)

democracy has been dead at least since SCOTUS put government up for sale to the highest bidder.

[kalm]

Whew!

So democracy is safe

(We've survived bumblers and pocket liners before)

democracy has been dead at least since SCOTUS put government up for sale to the highest bidder.

At least. It was dying before that.

[Chizzang]

Fuck Democracy you listless twats
This is about The Republic

[CID1990]

Whew!

So democracy is safe

(We've survived bumblers and pocket liners before)

democracy has been dead at least since SCOTUS put government up for sale to the highest bidder.

Well then you should inform your progressive fellow travelers because they seem to think it is perfectly intact and Trump's gonna destroy it

[kalm]

Fuck Democracy you listless twats
This is about The Republic

It's a democratic republic you conk wannabe.

(I love how democracy has become a dirty word, akin to commiepinkosocialism.)

[kalm]

democracy has been dead at least since SCOTUS put government up for sale to the highest bidder.

Well then you should inform your progressive fellow travelers because they seem to think it is perfectly intact and Trump's gonna destroy it

This is more true than you probably realize...

[AZGrizFan]

The one silver lining to Trump getting elected is that he backs off. His bark appears to be way greater than his bite. And we should be thankful for that because if he DID insist on all the nonsense he made a big deal of during the campaign it would be a disaster.

Let me explain a concept to you like I had to with my 16 year old nephew:

It's called "campaign rhetoric". Look into it. For as fucking smart as you claim to be, it's amazing you (and virtually every single donk out there) bought that schtick hook, line and sinker.

[Skjellyfetti]

And, ~20k of your 45k posts on here are snarky comments about "Hope and Change"

[AZGrizFan]

And, ~20k of your 45k posts on here are snarky comments about "Hope and Change"

Oh, please. Not even comparable. That's a frigging campaign slogan. We make snarky comments about it because it's retarded.

[kalm]

And, ~20k of your 45k posts on here are snarky comments about "Hope and Change"

Oh, please. Not even comparable. That's a frigging campaign slogan. We make snarky comments about it because it's retarded.

Sure!

[CID1990]

Actually I wish the Obama 2012 campaign had stuck with Winning The Future

that was awesome


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[CitadelGrad]

Fuck Democracy you listless twats
This is about The Republic

It's a democratic republic you conk wannabe.

(I love how democracy has become a dirty word, akin to commiepinkosocialism.)

It was a dirty word during the constitutional convention.

No, it isn't a democratic republic - whatever the fuck that is. And no, it isn't a democracy because people get to vote. If you try that old and ridiculous argument, I'll shove a rhetorical red-hot poker up your hippie ass.

[kalm]

It's a democratic republic you conk wannabe.

(I love how democracy has become a dirty word, akin to commiepinkosocialism.)

It was a dirty word during the constitutional convention.
to s
No, it isn't a democratic republic - whatever the fuck that is. And no, it isn't a democracy because people get to vote. If you try that old and ridiculous argument, I'll shove a rhetorical red-hot poker up your hippie ass.

Homo-eroticism duly noted....

And yes...of course it's a democratic republic.

"We prefere this system to any monarchy, because we are convinced it has a greater tendency to secure our liberty and promote our happiness. We admire it because we think it a well-regulated democracy."

- John Marshall

Although I do understand the concerns regarding democracy as well.

"Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people."

- Oscar Wilde

[Chizzang]

It was a dirty word during the constitutional convention.
to s
No, it isn't a democratic republic - whatever the fuck that is. And no, it isn't a democracy because people get to vote. If you try that old and ridiculous argument, I'll shove a rhetorical red-hot poker up your hippie ass.

Homo-eroticism duly noted....

And yes...of course it's a democratic republic.

"We prefere this system to any monarchy, because we are convinced it has a greater tendency to secure our liberty and promote our happiness. We admire it because we think it a well-regulated democracy."

- John Marshall

Although I do understand the concerns regarding democracy as well.

"Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people."

- Oscar Wilde

I'm not sure what ^ that gibberish is but here's the problem with a "Democracy"

In a Democracy a simple majority of angry people can rescind the rights of free peoples
Based on nothing more than misinformation

In a Democracy there is no rule of law

In a Democracy logic and reason take a back seat to religion

[kalm]

Homo-eroticism duly noted....

And yes...of course it's a democratic republic.

"We prefere this system to any monarchy, because we are convinced it has a greater tendency to secure our liberty and promote our happiness. We admire it because we think it a well-regulated democracy."

- John Marshall

Although I do understand the concerns regarding democracy as well.

"Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people."

- Oscar Wilde

I'm not sure what ^ that gibberish is but here's the problem with a "Democracy"

In a Democracy a simple majority of angry people can rescind the rights of free peoples
Based on nothing more than misinformation

In a Democracy there is no rule of law

In a Democracy logic and reason take a back seat to religion

Smug prickishness duly noted. (An Irish poet, you are not).

No one is suggesting direct democracy here and in general I agree with you. Tim Eyman proved the voters of Washington State are not smart enough to create their laws.

Of course, the pendulum swing the other direction leads to technocrats which we all bitch about as well...

[JohnStOnge]

The one silver lining to Trump getting elected is that he backs off. His bark appears to be way greater than his bite. And we should be thankful for that because if he DID insist on all the nonsense he made a big deal of during the campaign it would be a disaster.

And you are the number one Chicken Little of them all

It remains really bad that a sufficient number of people voted for somebody like that to allow him to become President. It's a very negative statement with respect to the quality of the United States population. That guy should not have been able to get 10 percent of the vote.

And we've got a long way to go. I think it's still the case that he's mentally ill and has serious problems with impulse control. That, to me, represents a constant risk of something really bad happening.

[Ivytalk]

And you are the number one Chicken Little of them all

It remains really bad that a sufficient number of people voted for somebody like that to allow him to become President. It's a very negative statement with respect to the quality of the United States population. That guy should not have been able to get 10 percent of the vote.

And we've got a long way to go. I think it's still the case that he's mentally ill and has serious problems with impulse control. That, to me, represents a constant risk of something really bad happening.

"Quality of the United States population"? Nice eugenics, Dr. Mengele. Maybe we can breed it out of the poor bastards.

[JohnStOnge]

It remains really bad that a sufficient number of people voted for somebody like that to allow him to become President. It's a very negative statement with respect to the quality of the United States population. That guy should not have been able to get 10 percent of the vote.

And we've got a long way to go. I think it's still the case that he's mentally ill and has serious problems with impulse control. That, to me, represents a constant risk of something really bad happening.

"Quality of the United States population"? Nice eugenics, Dr. Mengele. Maybe we can breed it out of the poor bastards.

The quality of representative government depends to a large extent on the quality of the people it represents. There is something seriously wrong with a population that would do something like elect somebody like Donald Trump to be President. I'm sorry, but there is.

It didn't just start with this last election. But this last election illustrated the problem we have in a really stark way. To have almost half the people in the country vote for somebody like that is very disturbing.

And, no, the fact that someone as bad as Hillary Clinton was the alternative doesn't mitigate the situation. You don't vote for a cartoon character buffoon like that who also happens to be incredibly and obviously dishonest even by the standards of politicians to be President of the United States.

[kalm]

"Quality of the United States population"? Nice eugenics, Dr. Mengele. Maybe we can breed it out of the poor bastards.

The quality of representative government depends to a large extent on the quality of the people it represents. There is something seriously wrong with a population that would do something like elect somebody like Donald Trump to be President. I'm sorry, but there is.

It didn't just start with this last election. But this last election illustrated the problem we have in a really stark way. To have almost half the people in the country vote for somebody like that is very disturbing.

And, no, the fact that someone as bad as Hillary Clinton was the alternative doesn't mitigate the situation. You don't vote for a cartoon character buffoon like that who also happens to be incredibly and obviously dishonest even by the standards of politicians to be President of the United States.

Duopoly.