Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?

[Skjellyfetti]

That's still low as shit, BDK.

Look at our awesome bill!! It has 30% approval rating!! Almost as high as our glorious President!


That was also from the beginning of March. I was talking about the one from Quinnipiac that was done just before the vote on 1.0 was taken off the floor. 17 fucking percent.



But, I do concede there isn't polling on this exact bill. What exactly do you think that is in this one that wasn't in the last one that is going be be so popular?

[Ibanez]

And a bit higher than Trumpcare's 17% approval

If you're talking version 1, in March 6 polls had an average of 30% approval/47% disapproval/23% undecided
POLLSTER SUPPORT/FAVORABLE OPPOSE/UNFAVORABLE NET SUPPORT
Fox News 34% 54% -20
Morning Consult 46 35 +11
Public Policy Polling 24 49 -25
SurveyMonkey 42 55 -13
YouGov/CBS News 12 41 -29
YouGov/Huff. Post 24 45 -21
Average 30 47 -16
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tr ... 538twitter

I'm surprised approval averaged as high as 30%, and disapproval averaged only 47%, considering most donks are near against touching Obamacare, and most conks want repeal & replace, not this half ass Obamacare Lite reform..

Nearly 50% opposed. Nice.

[BDKJMU]

That's still low as ****, BDK.

Look at our awesome bill!! It has 30% approval rating!! Almost as high as our glorious President!

Yeah, that's low, but not nearly as low as 17%...Again I would expect it to be low since most donks are against touching Obamacare and most conks want it overturned, and Trumpcare does neither..If I had been polled I would have been one of those disapproving..

No, its not nearly as high as Trumps 48%. (Yes, I know that is still low, and yes, I'm sure you can whip out some other poll, while if not daily tracking but within the last couple of days, that shows it lower)..
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... track_may4

[BDKJMU]

Well damn, the House passed it..217-213.

[Skjellyfetti]

What exactly do you think that is in this one that wasn't in the last one that is going be be so popular?

[Ibanez]

What exactly do you think that is in this one that wasn't in the last one that is going be be so popular?

Hookers and blow

[CAA Flagship]

What exactly do you think that is in this one that wasn't in the last one that is going be be so popular?

Does it matter? There is no good solution that the country can afford. Some people will be happy, others will not. The unhappy ones will be the loudest voices and mainstream media will be happy to provide the microphones for them.

BTW, what was the Donks' solution to Obamacare?

[dbackjon]

What exactly do you think that is in this one that wasn't in the last one that is going be be so popular?

Does it matter? There is no good solution that the country can afford. Some people will be happy, others will not. The unhappy ones will be the loudest voices and mainstream media will be happy to provide the microphones for them.

BTW, what was the Donks' solution to Obamacare?

Obamacare is far better than the alternative, which was nothing. And far better than this travesty which transfers more more to the wealthy.


Don't call yourself a pro-life party when you don't give a shit about a fetus after it is born. You are condemning millions to early deaths.



And there is a simple solution - Medicare for all. And yes, the country can afford it.

[Ibanez]

Does it matter? There is no good solution that the country can afford. Some people will be happy, others will not. The unhappy ones will be the loudest voices and mainstream media will be happy to provide the microphones for them.

BTW, what was the Donks' solution to Obamacare?

Obamacare is far better than the alternative, which was nothing. And far better than this travesty which transfers more more to the wealthy.


Don't call yourself a pro-life party when you don't give a shit about a fetus after it is born. You are condemning millions to early deaths.



And there is a simple solution - Medicare for all. And yes, the country can afford it.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/h ... p-can-make

Medicare for all makes a lot of sense to me. Look at HR 676.

[CAA Flagship]

Does it matter? There is no good solution that the country can afford. Some people will be happy, others will not. The unhappy ones will be the loudest voices and mainstream media will be happy to provide the microphones for them.

BTW, what was the Donks' solution to Obamacare?

Obamacare is far better than the alternative, which was nothing. And far better than this travesty which transfers more more to the wealthy.


Don't call yourself a pro-life party when you don't give a shit about a fetus after it is born. You are condemning millions to early deaths.



And there is a simple solution - Medicare for all. And yes, the country can afford it.

Medicare is nothing but partial medical coverage. Without a supplemental insurance plan, it doesn't come close to covering a catastrophic illness. It's like asking someone to get drunk on 2 Bud Lights.

[BDKJMU]

Does it matter? There is no good solution that the country can afford. Some people will be happy, others will not. The unhappy ones will be the loudest voices and mainstream media will be happy to provide the microphones for them.

BTW, what was the Donks' solution to Obamacare?

Obamacare is far better than the alternative, which was nothing. And far better than this travesty which transfers more more to the wealthy.

Don't call yourself a pro-life party when you don't give a **** about a fetus after it is born. You are condemning millions to early deaths.

And there is a simple solution - Medicare for all. And yes, the country can afford it.

No the solution wasn't to blow up out health care system with Obamacare when only about 5% of US citizens truly needed help.

"Twenty-six percent of the uninsured are eligible for some form of public coverage but do not make use of it, according to The National Institute for Health Care Management Foundation. This is sometimes, but not always, a matter of choice.

Twenty-one percent of the uninsured are immigrants, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. But that figure includes both those who are here legally and those who are not. The number of illegal immigrants who are included in the official statistics is unknown.

Twenty percent of the uninsured have family incomes of greater than $75,000 per year (about 90k in today's $$), according to the Census Bureau. But this does not necessarily mean they have access to insurance. Even higher-income jobs don’t always offer employer-sponsored insurance, and not everyone who wants private insurance is able to get it....
....and 10 percent (about 4.7 million) make more than 400 percent of the federal poverty threshold, according to KFF. In 2007, the most recent year of Census statistics, a family of four at 400 percent of the poverty level would have a household income of $84,812 (about 101k in todays $$) or more.

....Forty percent of the uninsured are young, according to KFF. But speculation that they pass up insurance because of their good health is unjustified. KFF reports that many young people lack insurance because it’s not available to them, and people who turn down available insurance tend to be in worse health, not better, according to the Institute of Medicine....."
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/the-real-uninsured/

So about a decade ago there was about 1/3 of the uninsured, about 5% of the country, 15+ million, that were
-US citizens.
-Absolutely couldn't afford and couldn't obtain health coverage.
-Were ineligible for any govt assistance/coverage.

So instead of focusing on helping those 5% who truly needed help, the donks came up with this monstrosity known as Obamacare..

[kalm]

Obamacare is far better than the alternative, which was nothing. And far better than this travesty which transfers more more to the wealthy.

Don't call yourself a pro-life party when you don't give a **** about a fetus after it is born. You are condemning millions to early deaths.

And there is a simple solution - Medicare for all. And yes, the country can afford it.

No the solution wasn't to blow up out health care system with Obamacare when only about 5% of US citizens truly needed help.

"Twenty-six percent of the uninsured are eligible for some form of public coverage but do not make use of it, according to The National Institute for Health Care Management Foundation. This is sometimes, but not always, a matter of choice.

Twenty-one percent of the uninsured are immigrants, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. But that figure includes both those who are here legally and those who are not. The number of illegal immigrants who are included in the official statistics is unknown.

Twenty percent of the uninsured have family incomes of greater than $75,000 per year (about 90k in today's $$), according to the Census Bureau. But this does not necessarily mean they have access to insurance. Even higher-income jobs don’t always offer employer-sponsored insurance, and not everyone who wants private insurance is able to get it....
....and 10 percent (about 4.7 million) make more than 400 percent of the federal poverty threshold, according to KFF. In 2007, the most recent year of Census statistics, a family of four at 400 percent of the poverty level would have a household income of $84,812 (about 101k in todays $$) or more.

....Forty percent of the uninsured are young, according to KFF. But speculation that they pass up insurance because of their good health is unjustified. KFF reports that many young people lack insurance because it’s not available to them, and people who turn down available insurance tend to be in worse health, not better, according to the Institute of Medicine....."
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/the-real-uninsured/

So about a decade ago there was about 1/3 of the uninsured, about 5% of the country, 15+ million, that were
-US citizens.
-Absolutely couldn't afford and couldn't obtain health coverage.
-Were ineligible for any govt assistance/coverage.

So instead of focusing on helping those 5% who truly needed help, the donks came up with this monstrosity known as Obamacare..

5% needed help?



Yeah...it was 95% working!

[dbackjon]

No the solution wasn't to blow up out health care system with Obamacare when only about 5% of US citizens truly needed help.

"Twenty-six percent of the uninsured are eligible for some form of public coverage but do not make use of it, according to The National Institute for Health Care Management Foundation. This is sometimes, but not always, a matter of choice.

Twenty-one percent of the uninsured are immigrants, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. But that figure includes both those who are here legally and those who are not. The number of illegal immigrants who are included in the official statistics is unknown.

Twenty percent of the uninsured have family incomes of greater than $75,000 per year (about 90k in today's $$), according to the Census Bureau. But this does not necessarily mean they have access to insurance. Even higher-income jobs don’t always offer employer-sponsored insurance, and not everyone who wants private insurance is able to get it....
....and 10 percent (about 4.7 million) make more than 400 percent of the federal poverty threshold, according to KFF. In 2007, the most recent year of Census statistics, a family of four at 400 percent of the poverty level would have a household income of $84,812 (about 101k in todays $$) or more.

....Forty percent of the uninsured are young, according to KFF. But speculation that they pass up insurance because of their good health is unjustified. KFF reports that many young people lack insurance because it’s not available to them, and people who turn down available insurance tend to be in worse health, not better, according to the Institute of Medicine....."
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/the-real-uninsured/

So about a decade ago there was about 1/3 of the uninsured, about 5% of the country, 15+ million, that were
-US citizens.
-Absolutely couldn't afford and couldn't obtain health coverage.
-Were ineligible for any govt assistance/coverage.

So instead of focusing on helping those 5% who truly needed help, the donks came up with this monstrosity known as Obamacare..

5% needed help?



Yeah...it was 95% working!

More GOP Lies...

[BDKJMU]

5% needed help?



Yeah...it was 95% working!

More GOP Lies...

I laid out facts. You only have your typical hyperbole..

[kalm]

More GOP Lies...

I laid out facts. You only have your typical hyperbole..

The % of uninsured is only a part of the problem.

[BDKJMU]

I laid out facts. You only have your typical hyperbole..

The % of uninsured is only a part of the problem.

True. But that was the issue most given for why Obamacare was needed..

[dbackjon]

The % of uninsured is only a part of the problem.

True. But that was the issue most given for why Obamacare was needed..

Again, wrong. A big part of wanting to pass more Universal healthcare, but only a part of the success that Obamacare is.

[BDKJMU]

True. But that was the issue most given for why Obamacare was needed..

Again, wrong. A big part of wanting to pass more Universal healthcare, but only a part of the success that Obamacare is.

[CAA Flagship]

True. But that was the issue most given for why Obamacare was needed..

Again, wrong. A big part of wanting to pass more Universal healthcare, but only a part of the success that Obamacare is.

Jon, seriously. Obamacare is a joke. I think the new plan will only be a wee bit better, but still terrible.
100% satisfaction is unattainable.

[dbackjon]

Again, wrong. A big part of wanting to pass more Universal healthcare, but only a part of the success that Obamacare is.

Jon, seriously. Obamacare is a joke. I think the new plan will only be a wee bit better, but still terrible.
100% satisfaction is unattainable.

This new plan, which is not a plan, but a giveaway to the wealthy, is far, far worse.


And yes, Obamacare has insured millions, allowed those with pre-existing coverage to get it, eliminated caps on coverage, and many other positives.


It is only negative if you enjoy your fellow Americans dying and going bankrupt due to lack of affordable healthcare.

Does it need to be expanded? Yup. But far better than what was before, and far better than the shit the GOP just passed without knowing what they were voting for.

[dbackjon]

Again, wrong. A big part of wanting to pass more Universal healthcare, but only a part of the success that Obamacare is.

Yes, BDKKKCUMU, it is a success.


Not for assholes like you, who hate Americans, but for those of us that support all Americans, it is.

[CAA Flagship]

Jon, seriously. Obamacare is a joke. I think the new plan will only be a wee bit better, but still terrible.
100% satisfaction is unattainable.

This new plan, which is not a plan, but a giveaway to the wealthy, is far, far worse.


And yes, Obamacare has insured millions, allowed those with pre-existing coverage to get it, eliminated caps on coverage, and many other positives.


It is only negative if you enjoy your fellow Americans dying and going bankrupt due to lack of affordable healthcare.

Does it need to be expanded? Yup. But far better than what was before, and far better than the shit the GOP just passed without knowing what they were voting for.

Question: Has Obamacare negatively impacted more Americans than it has positively impacted? And I'm not just talking about healthcare. I'm talking about all that Obamacare has impacted.

[dbackjon]

This new plan, which is not a plan, but a giveaway to the wealthy, is far, far worse.


And yes, Obamacare has insured millions, allowed those with pre-existing coverage to get it, eliminated caps on coverage, and many other positives.


It is only negative if you enjoy your fellow Americans dying and going bankrupt due to lack of affordable healthcare.

Does it need to be expanded? Yup. But far better than what was before, and far better than the shit the GOP just passed without knowing what they were voting for.

Question: Has Obamacare negatively impacted more Americans than it has positively impacted? And I'm not just talking about healthcare. I'm talking about all that Obamacare has impacted.

I would say positive - but something that is hard to quantify. Giving someone with a pre-existing condition, and
now can get insurance/medical care and thus a better life is a positive. Increasing the premiums on their neighbor would be a negative. But how much more should the life of the person saved be against the added expense to the neighbor?

[Ibanez]

Jon, seriously. Obamacare is a joke. I think the new plan will only be a wee bit better, but still terrible.
100% satisfaction is unattainable.

This new plan, which is not a plan, but a giveaway to the wealthy, is far, far worse.


And yes, Obamacare has insured millions, allowed those with pre-existing coverage to get it, eliminated caps on coverage, and many other positives.


It is only negative if you enjoy your fellow Americans dying and going bankrupt due to lack of affordable healthcare.

Does it need to be expanded? Yup. But far better than what was before, and far better than the shit the GOP just passed without knowing what they were voting for.

Rising premiums isn't a negative? Increasing administrative costs isn't a negative? People not being able to maintain providers that they know and trust isn't a negative?

Also, your last sentence is laughable. Have you forgotten what Pelosi said? We have to pass it to find out what's in it? Cmon, Jon. Don't be so partisan. It's ugly on everyone.
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[Ibanez]

Question: Has Obamacare negatively impacted more Americans than it has positively impacted? And I'm not just talking about healthcare. I'm talking about all that Obamacare has impacted.

I would say positive - but something that is hard to quantify. Giving someone with a pre-existing condition, and
now can get insurance/medical care and thus a better life is a positive. Increasing the premiums on their neighbor would be a negative. But how much more should the life of the person saved be against the added expense to the neighbor?

Allowing pre existing conditions is the right, moral thing to do. The essential health benefits( whatever it's called) I'm all for. But there's plenty in the ACA that should be reworked. But our shitty congressmen and women won't fix it. They don't want to fix it.


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